Not sure why that memory is popping up today…

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    Some “leftists” are almost as mad that Zohran won than the libs and chuds, it’s a funny kind of synchronicity

    Meanwhile all I care about is that he triggers the birth of countless more socialists and dismantles THE MOST crippling mindset among the masses “Your politics are cool, but they’re not realistic

    Zohran is a blow to capitalist realism, to AIPAC, to the DNC, to leftist book club mentality, it’s a shame nobody realizes five years too late we got our wish and the door is finally open for mass radicalization, at least in New York City

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        Zohran is simply a wedge temporarily holding a door open, he’s not gonna trigger the big revolution all by his socdem lonesome, but he will give us room to grow and the pressure of Trump will continue to push more people towards that door Zohran’s victory has opened

        This is a win for us, don’t make yourself immune from ever recognizing victory conditions

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          Nah, this isn’t a victory for socialists in particular, at least not until his eventual total failure to be able to ameliorate conditions for working people gives us the opportunity to radicalise people more.

          People really need to learn that “support whatever makes chuds angry” isn’t really a coherent political strategy.

          Will be nice if some struggling working people in new York get fed. But can people please stop overselling this as some immense victory for socialism lol. The guy took time out of his speech to talk about “working with the cops” and “fighting the scourge of antisemitism” ffs. Mfers really just hear someone quote Debs and turn their brains off for the next twenty minutes. It’s all spectacle for you folks.

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            A million people in New York City just voted for a man they believe is a socialist, this is absolutely a victory for socialists, people are being radicalized right now and you’re missing the boat completely and daydreaming about a future boat that’s supposedly gonna come along when the elites sink this one

            At this point it’s literally the leftist version of “wait for a better political climate”

            The guy took time out of his speech to talk about “working with the cops” and “fighting the scourge of antisemitism” ffs

            Is everyone on this site just completely allergic to good rhetoric and the concept of leftist dogwhistles, what exactly did you think he was gonna say? “I’m gonna dismantle the police department and nuke Tel Aviv!”??? That Debs quote should have clued you in to what the class character of the speech was gonna be, his police policies are good, they literally involve reducing the role of police in public life using the excuse of “overworked cops”, that’s smart and good leftist triangulation that creates room for organizing on the ground

            And there’s a million Jews in New York City, did you seriously expect him not to offer even a single sentence of vague resurgence?

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              A million people in New York City just voted for a man they believe is a socialist, this is absolutely a victory for socialists

              The working class being misled about what socialism is is not a victory for socialism, in fact, we used to have a word for it. Revisionism, opportunism.

              what exactly did you think he was gonna say? “I’m gonna dismantle the police department and nuke Tel Aviv!”

              You know there’s another option called “not saying anything”? Why exactly did he feel it was important to shout out Zionism and the pigs in his maiden speech?

              Honestly an embarrassment you have Marx in your username with these takes lol. You are a liberal at heart.

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                The working class being misled about what socialism is is not a victory for socialism

                They’re not being misled on socialism, they’re voting for their collective interest, a prerequisite for socialist agitation and the further development of class consciousness, policies that minimize the domination of commodity production in favor of rising worker consumption and organization, it’s the job of theorists to correct and offer solutions to deviations and the allure of opportunism, the supermajority of the working class only engages with politics through the lens of electoralism, and since the closest thing we Marxists have to a hard-set law is to meet the workers where they’re at and not simply lecture at them, that’s means we must take electoral organizing seriously

                Why exactly did he feel it was important to shout out Zionism and the pigs in his maiden speech?

                See, now this is where a lack of strategic thinking leads, he wasn’t shouting out Zionism, he was undermining an obvious upcoming campaign of slander concerning his supposed antisemitism, the same strategy used against Corbyn, and to undermine that strategy does in fact require engaging with the 1 million Jews of New York, not by undermining the pro-Palestinian front which he didn’t do during his speech, but by offering Jewish New Yorkers buy-in and an alternative from the AIPAC dominated landscape that scars their community

                And he didn’t shout out the pigs, he said he would merge “Justice” and “Order” and “work with the cops”, which is a dogwhistle considering his policy consists of stripping the cops of most of their functions and handing them over to a new department of social workers, sorry he didn’t espouse the virtues of some anarchist pipe dream of spontaneous abolition, did you hear China still has cops, let’s go cancel Xi next…

                Honestly an embarrassment you have Marx in your username with these takes lol. You are a liberal at heart

                hasan-ok-dude

                If universal suffrage had offered no other advantage than that it allowed us to count our numbers every three years; that by the regularly established, unexpectedly rapid rise in our vote it increased in equal measure the workers’ certainty of victory and the dismay of their opponents, and so became our best means of propaganda; that it accurately informed us of our own strength and that of all opposing parties, and thereby provided us with a measure of proportion second to none for our actions, safeguarding us from untimely timidity as much as from untimely foolhardiness–if this had been the only advantage we gained from the suffrage, it would still have been much more than enough.

                But it did more than this by far. In election propaganda it provided us with a means, second to none, of getting in touch with the mass of the people where they still stand aloof from us; of forcing all parties to defend their views and actions against our attacks before all the people; and, further, it provided our representatives in the Reichstag with a platform from which they could speak to their opponents in parliament, and to the masses outside, with quite a different authority and freedom than in the press or at meetings. Of what avail was their Anti-Socialist Law to the government and the bourgeoisie when election campaigning and socialist speeches in the Reichstag continually broke through it? - Introduction to Marx’s Class Struggles in France, Engels

                Alot of pseudo-anarchists on this site learnt the wrong lessons from the Bernie and AOC debacles, too many of you took it as a permission slip to sink into infantilism and spontaneity theory, more concerned with powerless moralizing than achieving victory or simply beginning the path of victory

                Electoralism is a tool defined by who wields it, and smearing and sneering at every comrade who engages with that tool is the definition of counterproductive navel gazing

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    I remember joyously watching the press conferences with his transition team. I was excited for him to tackle the financial crisis.

    Years later I learned that he had gotten his whole cabinet pre-approved by Citi Bank. Tackling Wall Street indeed.

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      I mean, you probably don’t pick biden-alert as your fucking VP unless a bunch of good ol’ boys from MBNA, Bank of AmeriKKKa, Citi, Merrick, Wells Fargo, and Capital One got together and hauled you to a smoky backroom where they show you video footage of the JFK assassination taken from an angle that the public has never seen before

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    10 years after Bernie first ran his presidential campaign, the American left finally gets to celebrate the election of its first socialist mayor. (With the exception of AOC, whose relation with the left had soured just a few years in)

    I’ll leave you to decide whether this is good progress or not.

    But what is clear is that this is nowhere near the “significance” of Obama’s presidential win. Not even close.

    At one point, Bernie boasted a million volunteers nationwide during his primary campaign. Have those energy dissipated into nowhere? Or did it remain latent and about to be reinvigorated after Mamdani’s victory? Are there plans to run 100s and 1000s of socialist candidates all over the country? If so, what are the organized movements that sustain these effort? How are they organized, especially against hostile state apparatuses? Can they translate electoral victories into palpable political actions? What are their strategies toward taking broader state power?

    These are the important questions to ask. And if no such political movement emerges in the wake of Mamdani, nothing will change.

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    I don’t really care for Mamdani in a way that expects him to change things, I care for him for what he means for proper communists in New York and the whole US. People ought to use him and his success to further actual socialism.

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      His victory is proof that you don’t have to constantly pander to the worst people in the world (suburbanites) to get votes. You can just run on a platform of “better things are possible” and win easily. This, of course, infuriates every crypto-fash lib whose only joy in life is coming up with and implementing the most arcane, inscrutable means-testing policies and getting into the means-tester hall of fame.

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    I knew Obama wasn’t going to change anything, and I didn’t vote for him, but I did go to DC for his inauguration. It was historic, and it inspired a lot of people. The energy that day was unforgettable.

    I also don’t have any illusions about Mamdani, but I think it’s rad that he opened his victory speech with a Debs quote. That a dude like this can win (handily) in NY, says something significant about our historical moment

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      The people at that Yemeni wedding were so inspired by him, too. All for a political play to show he was “tough on terror”.

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        I get it. He is absolutely a war criminal. At the time of his inauguration, he hadn’t ordered any war crimes yet. I knew he would, but he also signified something important in that moment to a lot of people.

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    I think as someone who is on the losing side it’s important to not just be pessimistic, but make the best out of every opportunity. Yes real socialist leaders aren’t elected they’re elevated by people, in respective communities, based on their actions. If soft power expands and lets you educate more openly, educate, keep on educating, don’t fall into despair.

    Look at what makes the world around you beautiful, there’s beauty even in despair, you are beautiful, ask yourself what stop the world from being more so and what can you do about it? Don’t shame yourself if what do seems pointless and small, you wouldn’t shame a small creature from attempting to fight against a pack of bloodthirsty predators, even if it seems futile. We’re not alone and the predators are busy devouring each other.

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        They did and that’s why it’s funny he won. He’s proposing five municipal grocery stores and stacking the housing board and the political establishment went spare. He’s not even proposing sewer socialism.

        But i still enjoy seeing the people who lost today lose.

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        kinda. Jim Clyburn flipped after the primary and a bunch of the other ghouls dragged their feet all the way to last night, including Chuck never endorsing Mamdani and presumably voting for Cuomo.

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      Prop 50 passing

      Oh boy I wonder what the inevitable SC decision is going to be. No worries though I’m sure Sotomayor will write an epic clapback

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        What will be the Puerto Rican equivalent of Ruthkanda forever? In 20 years I’m gonna get that mournful message in my family whatsapp group.

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          Just told my 10yo daughter about #SS in the work camp soylent distribution center. She would have had tears in her eyes if she wasn’t too dehydrated to cry. And then she did the Wakanda pose and said “#Soniakanda forever”. I couldn’t see who was in the panopticon but I assume they must have tried to cry too. When Frau Bondi hears of this, I’m sure she will be touched enough to increase our soylent portions by 1.25% – which is the sort of incrementalism that I can celebrate.

          /uj My guess is we’ll probably see white soccer moms doing racist “spicy latina” shit for weeks on end. But if any hexbears can come up with a Puerto Rican localization of Ruthkanda then gold-communist

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      Keep in mind that while both of these things are most likely objectively good, neither will do anything to stop the genocide in Palestine

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        I didn’t know the mayor of new York has any control over that

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          I never said he did. The Democrats fought Mamdani the whole way, now they’re sucking themselves off because he won, and they should have spent that energy stopping the genocide.

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    If you keep electing people who call themselves democratic socialists (not Obama obviously), eventually you will get a Hugo Chávez.

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      And? Venezuela has a smaller public sector than France lol. Forgive me for wanting a little more than maybe, hopefully, some day, getting some pink tide bullshit in thirty years.

      This post is not an endorsement of yankee imperialism in South America before someone comes at me with that baby brained shit btw.

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    It takes a truely demented American to obsess over elections instead of, say, sports gambling at this point. Have some self-respect and buy the executive scamcoins. There’s not even any money in this bizarro fantasy world certain Felix reply guys live in where there is an internal democrat civil war between Hilldawg and Obamna. As many people with less-pockmarked brains than I have pointed out, the latter had a much better record as an activist than Mamdani. It’s just that our times are too unsubtle for even slickos like Barack and Zohran has to go around doing Don’t Worry I Promise I Am Sheepdogging These Assholes press conferences with the kind liberal Zionists next to whatever placard

    At first I resented the discourse at all but now I realize that Americans birthing another one of these creatures with social media tulpamancy is an opportunity to educate people on the paucity of mere wage + rent stabilization without land reform (the kind that gets you in the black book) and other unspeakables

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    NYC will improve slightly but not as much as we want. Maybe some smaller places will get some copycats who won’t be asked about international issues. that’s about it.

    oh, also dick cheney died, that was a shame it took so long.

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            I can see the dancing but not the rest. https://inv-uk1.nadeko.net/companion/download?check=NEaWNQNR7v5GiVtJdg2G5Y3BtpeVdIvyNVSOhQcfGgQ%3D

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            with the president uh Trump and we'll see what the How do you know who the mayor
            
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            will be? I don't know that. Do we know that? He's going to be very fine. And who knows? We don't know who the mayor is
            
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            going to be yet. But this is a communist. He's not a socialist. He's a communist. And he's said some really bad
            
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            things about Jewish people. And he said some really bad things about a lot of people. And uh I think he's going
            
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            through a little bit of a honeymoon right now, but he might make it. But you know, it all comes through the White House. He needs the money through the
            
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            White House. He needs a lot. He's going to behave. He'll behave. He better behave. Otherwise, he's going to have big problems.
            
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            So, you got to behave. Um I've got to ask, it's very funny that Netanyahu was like, I'm going to go with my big
            
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            brother. Donald Trump's going to come with me. Is the plan still to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu if he comes to New York City with Donald Trump as his human
            
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            shield? Look, I think I want to just first give us the context. Yes, often
            
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            times this is described as if it is a matter of opinion, a personal
            
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            assessment. We are speaking about someone who is facing a warrant from the International Criminal Court, someone
            
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            who has perpetrated a genocide of Palestinians for close to two years. And
            
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            every hour for that time period, a Palestinian child has been killed by the Israeli military.
            
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            And this is something that has shocked the conscience of so many across the
            
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            city, across this country, across the world. And I hear about it from New Yorkers everywhere. I hear about it when
            
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            I take the train. I hear about it when I'm walking on the street. I hear about it when I'm speaking about our affordability agenda. And I hear about
            
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            it because it is an affront to any kind of universal belief in the sanctity of
            
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            of humanity, of justice, of safety. And I also hear about it because there is a
            
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            deep shame and anger and a horror at the fact that we as Americans are complicit
            
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            in this. You know, I think Graeme Platner put it best when he recently said, "Our taxpayer dollars should be
            
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            building schools and hospitals in this country, not bombs to destroy them in Gaza." And there is that deep sense of
            
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            the contradiction in our politics. you as mayor of New York want to hold him to account and and and and that is the importance
            
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            of this city is to showcase a model of what politics could be and to to showcase that we are a city that
            
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            believes in international law. Now look to be clear I'm going to operate within the bounds of the law. I'm not Donald
            
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            Trump seeking to create my own, you know, legal system as I make my own decisions. And yet I think it is also
            
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            important to say that the time of not only tolerating but celebrating Benjamin
            
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            Netanyahu in this city from those in leading political positions including the mayor.
            
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            The time of looking at Benjamin Netanyahu coming to this city and then making military decisions from this city
            
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            to kill civilians. That time has to come to an end because New Yorkers at the very least want to bring an end not only
            
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            to this genocide but also to the complicity we have in the violation of international law. You have Eric Adams
            
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            hosting Benjamin Net. I proudly say I'll host you this week at the UN. You're also up against Andrew Cromo, a guy who
            
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            many people forget volunteered to represent Benjamin Net at the
            
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            International Criminal Court and I will be your lawyer and now and now he's running away from that. Did a recent interview with the New York
            
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            Times. He said the war in Gaza is horrific that it should come to an end. He even said I never stood with BB.
            
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            There Google images will literally show that statement is false. Um, do you buy that distancing by Cuomo or has he just
            
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            noticed that the Democratic base is not pro-Israel anymore? The only thing that Andrew Cuomo seems
            
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            to believe in is his own ambition. There are no convictions. There are no deeply held beliefs beyond that. And we've seen
            
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            that with his continuing shift on the question of Israel and Palestine and and whether or not international law is
            
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            something to be respected. and to tell New Yorkers that he has nothing to do with BB when he volunteered and proudly
            
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            shared with the world. It was not something that was discovered. It was something that he shared publicly. It is
            
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            it is just it just shows how little he thinks of us and our ability to actually remember and and I think that speaks to
            
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            his politics at large where he thinks that none of us remember his record. None of us remember why he is the former
            
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            governor and yet or why he's the disgraced former governor as the phrase goes. There's a reason for that. Exactly. Um, just on
            
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            that, does it frustrate you that the media has spent so much time asking you
            
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            about this or that statement that you have never used yourself? But don't I don't see them asking Andrew Cuomo about
            
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            representing a wanted war criminal. I do think it's a question that deserves to be asked more of him because of the
            
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            fact that it goes against what so many New Yorkers want in their leadership. Right? We want first and foremost
            
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            someone who will focus on this city, someone who will deliver for the people of this city. And we also want a
            
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            politics that's consistent. And to look at Benjamin Netanyahu and say that the
            
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            best use of my time is to defend him from the International Criminal Court. Yes. It shows how little you think of New
            
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            Yorkers and how little you think of any beliefs in humanity. I've got to ask, we're wrapping up. I got to ask, I know you're not just a
            
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            Muslim, you are a Shia Muslim. I believe you're also a Shia Muslim. Yes. Yes. People say people say, "I've
            
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            heard you're anti-b businessiness." Have you ever met an anti-b business? Well, koas are famous for trade and commerce and business. Um, they're also
            
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            famous for their punctuality. So, as hoja, mayor of New York, are you going to ensure the buses run on time?
            
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            Yes, there's going to be KST, Koja Standard Time. Okay. So, that's for the New Yorkers who
            
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            don't know about Kojas, you're welcome to a new world of everything being on time and no delays. Um, I also got to
            
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            ask before we finish, you were obviously once rapper Young Cardinal. Yes. And you said to me last year when we spoke, I asked you, I said, "Is it
            
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            harder uh to run for mayor or do a mixtape?" And you said, "Mix tape."
            
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            Do you still feel that way? I still feel that way. You still feel that way a year later. All the crap you've got.
            
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            Let me tell you, when you are the opener to the opener to the opener to the opener to the opener,
            
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            okay, to the main act, there is a different level of difficulty in motivating yourself for that moment.
            
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            This is a very difficult job that I have right now and that I'm running to have as the next mayor of this city, but it's
            
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            also a joy and an opportunity to serve the city that I love and I just can't I can't wait to do it. And on joy, you did this big scavenger
            
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            hunt. I've never seen a candidate. Where were you? I was in Washington DC. I'm not a resident of New York City. Um but okay,
            
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            I'll come for the next one. My question is when you're mayor, we do we expect more fun and games? Is that part of the mayoral platform?
            
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            There has to be room for joy in our politics. There has to be room for joy in the city. And none of it to elide over the struggle of what it takes to be
            
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            a New Yorker. But life cannot just be struggle. And whether it's a scavenger hunt, whether it's enjoying the World
            
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            Cup, we have to ensure that these things are within reach of New Yorkers, not things that they're priced out of. Last question. If Trump can ignore the
            
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            Constitution and run for a third term in 2028, does that mean that you can ignore the Constitution?
            
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            Don't even in 2028. No. No. No. No. No plans. No. No.
            

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              0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:13.519 believes in international law. Now look to be clear I’m going to operate within the bounds of the law. I’m not Donald

              0:32:13.519 --> 0:32:19.360 Trump seeking to create my own, you know, legal system as I make my own decisions

              This part. Legally, there’s no basis to arrest Netanyahu. But on his first interview with Mehdi, he said it would do it regardless.

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                oh ya you’re right

                Legally, there’s no basis to arrest Netanyahu.

                I thought you were incorrect but when I checked it seems like the obligation to arrest him for the ICC warrant would be via the Rome Statute which I guess the US isn’t signed to.

                But come on it would be fun to do it anyway.

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      Of all the things he said, honestly this has got to be the stupidest one and will 100% have to walk back.

      Nobody - I repeat, nobody - arrests the head of a nuclear-armed state. That is simply never going to happen, let alone the mayor of a city.

      It is the equivalent of those NAFO fantasy where they get to arrest Putin when he visits foreign countries. Nice promise but never going to happen. Stick to the promises that you can actually fulfill.

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    If you’ve never repackaged and sold the same old shit as ‘hope and change’, well, that’s why you’re a fucking poor.

    That being said, if you don’t think today’s results reflect a significant shift you’re blind. The republican strategy to racist shitpost their way to absolute power has pushed society further left than any attention seeking would be icon ever could.

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      The right racistly shitposted their way to control of all 3 branches of the US government in response to Obama, a slick neoliberal that avoided blame for anything bad that happened (among liberals).

      Material conditions are degrading in the imperial core. This has been a bipartisan effort as lackeys of haute capitalist forces. A rediscovery of some version the left was/is essentially inevitable due to this develipment, but it is still entirely cooptable by fascistic tendencies in this godforsaken country, in part exemplified by the impetus on this very site for some users to call basic (US) anti-warism an “ultra” position because the flavor of the day said something chauvinist about Venezuela.

      Imagine what naked American fascism would actually look like. It is still largely hidden, it’s wrapped up in its “polite imperialism” vestments, sometimes “rude imperialism” nowadays with some dog whistles thrown in. But think about what they would coopt, what lines they would cross, and who they would pull and what levers they would use.

      Now imagine what opposing them would look like.

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      Nah we did the blue wave thing under Trump 1. If it was a significant shift we wouldn’t have gotten Trump 2. How are you even judging this as a shift? Nothing has happened yet. Social media makes everything seem monumental and historical. We won’t know if this is a significant shift until later.

      Also don’t use “blind” that way. Blind people can understand history and theory enough to adequately contextualize today’s events. However, people with working eyes get a lot of stuff wrong.