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    23 hours ago

    3 years.

    But any excuse before then and they will also try for it. They want to turn us into obedient slave citizens like in the east.

    Any and every excuse they will blow out of proportion as much as they can to push the envelope towards military violence against the population.

    Bringing the military into domestic affairs always ends the same by the way, the military sees the weakness of our political leaders and the levers of power and subordinates the political system if not outright seizing it.

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      Hexbear is full of PC wokies who whine about cultural appropriation, so you’ll need to change your tactics to get through to them. Bill Maher wrote a brilliant article about dealing with these types a little while back; it’s called Persuading PC Bozos. You should check it out.

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        Eastern governments are traditionally describing the near east and middle east. Or egypt. Where the leader is decreed god himself with absolute power.

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            We have a tradition of representative government and more honest leadership. Trying to get offended on behalf of people that live under despotic governments elsewhere is the reason why everybody hates the politically correct.

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              representative governance is when you rig electoral district maps to avoid populations of people with a certain race and honest leadership is when you have a a pedophiles on both sides of the political aisle.

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              No, the west does not have any such tradition. Further, I think you’re a bit confused if you think a bunch of commies are considered “politically correct,” unless you just mean that we aren’t racist.

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              This is a bunch of kindergarten- level mythology about the shining city on a hill that is equal parts laughable and disgusting to anyone who has been paying attention for any length of time.

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              We have a tradition of representative government and more honest leadership

              no the fuck we don’t lmao

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              a tradition of representative government and more honest leadership.

              Saying this right after ranting about the “weakness of our political leaders” is incredible lol

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                You guys got really upset about saying our western style governments are being turned into Eastern Style governments. I guess you are all pretty emotional aren’t you?

                It is truly an ignorant argument you are making here though, do not let however many half wits voting with your Half Baked assumption here convince you otherwise.

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                  Dang that Eastern government of China for having a higher home ownership rate, higher protein intake and lower homeless rate! We’re totally turning into one of those guys!!!

                  What a fucking buffoon. “emotionally” we are laughing at you.

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                    Well that’s good for you, you will enjoy our new system then! Just watch your social score! The term eastern and western governments is more traditionally used in regards to the liberal democracies of the west, from the Greeks and Romans to the enlightenment era representative governments, as opposed to the all powerful rulers of egypt, the persians, the Ottoman empire, and russia. But don’t let me teach you anything.

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                  Eastern Style governments

                  I can’t tell you enough how much saying this phrase is like extreme repellent to any woman who isn’t white. Like this is cartoonishly racist and nasty.

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                    You do realize this is terminology used in books for hundreds of years including our modern era, terminology nobody has taken issue with until you guys here right now. The auxiliary PC Brigade. You guys are the reason the right calls everybody woke and people support their bullshit.

                    It would be governmentist, bigoted against eastern style autocracies in favor of representative government, which as your group does not know what that means, it means electing leaders, having a free press, and being able to criticize people like your leaders and so forth. Eastern Style governments for thousands of years have referred to everything from Egypt to the Ottoman Empire to the Persians, a single all-powerful ruler.

                    But it is good for your own mental health that you do not support representative government because it is now being taken away from you, and you are going to criticize anybody that mentions it apparently. Nice contribution.

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                  Eastern Style government

                  Why are they called “western” and “eastern” style, what immutable characteristic are you assigning to these two groups? Answer without any redditisms for bonus points

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                    Western style governments elect their leaders, they have the Free Press, and they are allowed to criticize their leaders and companies. Something that does not and has not ever existed in the East to any large degree.

                    They are taking that away from us right now and you are spending your energy attacking me because it’s popular for you. Might be why we are losing. We being those that do not want to live under a supreme leader.

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                No, because I did not see anything wrong and I welcome the app probation of those seeking to get offended on behalf of other people without good cause. Nobody likes those people. The Republicans make a lot of hay out of you people by the way.

                Maybe if you read more history you would realize what I was actually saying.

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                  read history

                  Remember back in the 1950s when Iran tried to do cultural appropriation of the West by electing a prime minister? Obviously the US had to overthrow them and set up the Shah as a puppet, returning the country to its rightful place as an “Eastern government”.

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                    You are talking about the actions of governments, I’m talking about the style of governments. All governments do shitty things not the least the Western Colonial powers that tried to subjugate the entire world.

                    What is an issue here is having honest elections and being allowed to speak our minds and protest and such.

                    Have fun in your Eastern style government in the US here pal. They love the woke pc brigades. But you will be working 6 days a week 12 hours a day until you are replaced by machines and eliminated so you know.

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                  You can barely spell, yet you’re talking to us about history. If you knew anything about “eastern vs western” governance you’d realize that lumping the middle-east with Asia completely ignores the history of exchange and development they have shared with each other as well as the majority of nations in one sphere being subjugated by Western exploitation and capital while the other maintains it’s sovereignty through economic domination of the West with equal levels of military detterence.

                  The only thing you’ve learned from history is pathetic chauvinism and a sense of patriotism for a government of pedophiles.

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                  Amerikkkans are so brainwashed they don’t even recognize how brainwashed they are.

                  It’s precisely because you read only state department approved history that you think this way. Do you think Saddam was killing Kuwaiti babies in incubators? Do you believe Assad was using chemical weapons? What about Libya, did Gaddafi have WMDs too?

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                    That is quite a jump from describing a Western Government turning into an Eastern Style government.

                    You do realize those trying to turn our representative governments into an.Eastern Style autocracy are the same ones that told us all of those things you just mentioned?

                    In case you didn’t notice our leaders project. Criticizing China for their iliberality as they try to do the same here.

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                  I do realize what you are actually saying and the fact you can’t fathom you are being racist as shit is why we hate fucking liberals.

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                    Well it would be governmentist not racist.

                    And it is true that I am biased against autocratic governments ruled by despots.

                    But do not let me keep you here, don’t you have somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation?

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                We are talking about the structure of government not the sum of the sins of the countries.

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                    Western style governments refer to having elections, a free press, being allowed to criticize the powerful. That is not my terminology by the way, that is hundreds of years of terminology.

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                  The purpose of a system is what it does. You can say it’s freedom and democracy all you want but all I’ve seen out of it is genocide, human trafficking, and money laundering regardless of which of your capitalist parties is in charge.

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                    Not the point. Describing the system of government as being better does not endorse everything that government has done, not the least as it has become the superpower.

                    Western style governments elect leaders, they have free press, they can criticize their leaders, and so forth. Eastern governments have never had that tradition. Might makes right, you criticize the leader you are in trouble, no honest media exists, and they do not elect leaders in any honest way.

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          The citizens of West Asia are not “obedient slaves” you dumb crayon eating cracker, they’re suppressed by a dozen American backed tyrannies, gunned down with American and Israeli guns and tortured on masse in CIA run blacksites and monarchial dungeons

          The military will obey the capitalist state and gun your people down too the minute they get the green light

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            I said trying to turn us into. And then trying to turn us into an Eastern style government. Because Eastern governments have never had representative government. Two different points, but don’t you have somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation?

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                Not electing their leaders. You see, representative government refers to having elections to choose your leaders. Something the West has had, and the East has not. You guys really are not worth responding to at this point. You have an outrage boner based on reading my post wrong. Which is not surprising for somebody on the meme group to not know the definitions of government, or the historical definitions of Eastern and Western governments.

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                  Not electing their leaders

                  China, the largest country in the world and part of “the east” has their president elected by a series of local representatives who are directly elected in local elections. Chinese democracy is and has been far more robust than anything in what you consider “the west” (which conveniently discounts the existence of Cuba lmao)

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                  We’re laughing at you because it’s obvious you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about and you’re just regurgitating the same boring ass CIA propaganda we’ve heard and debunked a million times.

                  Which is not surprising for somebody on the meme group to not know the definitions of government, or the historical definitions of Eastern and Western governments.

                  lmfao please keep going.

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      The US has long held the largest prison population in the world as well as military bases and torture sites covering the entire globe, is currently doing racially based deportations to labor / torture camps, and the majority of the population is one medical issue away from homelessness…

      But yeah dawg at least we don’t live in fear of our despotic government like those unthinking obedients in the east smuglord

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        The US has long held the largest prison population in the world

        uh, excuse me, I think you mean the largest prison population in the history of the world both in absolute numbers as well as percentage of population

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      your brain is similar to a worm-eaten apple, both in terms of the various holes in it, and also the density of worms inside of it doggirl-thumbsup