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    9 days ago

    I believe led to their army gaming an outsized power that allowed them to seize control with a strong man and turning the government against what it should have been.

    Stalin was elected. Want sources/information? We have entire threads on this if you’re curious to actually entertain the thought of an alternative viewpoint.

    Stalin was a monster by all accounts.

    Most of us are Stalinists.

    As to the Democratic conventions, it was all fixed. There was some degree of voting at the beginning right after the revolution, the Bolsheviks got elected and then they got voted out the next Congress or whatever they called it and they kept power. Very few if any of their elections were honest to my knowledge.

    Sources?



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    Because everything was not perfect nothing from that era counts. Yeah, I’m just supposed to excuse the mountain of dead comrades who shared my beliefs that were deemed a threat to financial interests in the west. That’s a long fucking stretch from perfect, buddy.

    Give me one example, one historical example that could be used while not being discounted because their society was not perfect?

    What does this mean. I literally gave you some if you’re asking about examples of prosecution. You’re on a communist board with communists showing you the violent and massive persecution of people with our beliefs. What do you…want? What even does this mean.

    And regardless a minimum wage job paid for life, the factory job paid for a downright prosperous life, antitrust laws were enforced, we paid a reasonable amount of money for goods, and so forth.

    Unless you were black, latino or a third world country worker who was being exploited for the well-being of the white proletariat at home.


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    Npt ever.perfect but was better for a few decades from post war years to the 70s, when the business round table made a long game to cooperatively take away all of the gains of the new deal and labor movement.

    Because of social concessions made to the proletariat in the imperialistic West due to encroaching global revolution. History played out differently.


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    When the Constitution was written if you had land you could vote, it did not matter if it was a million Acres or a half an acre. You each got one vote. Also there really were very few manufacturing workers, like 90% was in agriculture.

    That was my point.

    Now if you think Western governments are worse towards their citizens than Eastern ones I would straight up disagree.

    Ah yes, fuck my anecdote and the epidemic of failed urban housing in ghettoes around America. “Fucking stupid liberal commie. You totally are lying about how poor you were.” Everyone in America is rich, right?


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    What does that have to do with the West having their representative governments replaced with autocracies?

    Because most of us believe that they are already autocracies; not of divine might or of stereotypical dictator-fashion but of a dictatorship of capital. Where your worth is determined by how much value you can generate for a middleman that controls the means of productions. Where constant warfare is waged against the poor on the basis of race, nation or creed by the ruling capitalist class that puts the majority of the world in abysmal poverty while the West gets to live out it’s façade of elections held together by imperial extraction and exploitation of the global south. I mean an actual façade of electoral districts state-side and local politics completely marred by racial divide, segregation, gerrymandering and religious dogma.

    The original constitution of the United States existed to serve and protect landowners, slaveholders and the merchant-class that was the foundation of the republics at the time. Your ability to vote was based on how much land you own, to which moved onto racial strife as a dominating factor as the transition from agrarian to plantation-industrialized economy. There was never the workers, the industrial revolution in mind. The workers are what exists these days and the representative governments of the west have never existed to protect them or their right of speech but their right to exploit and create capital.

    The government structure of your imagined “East” no matter how repressive in your imagination, is still a vast improvement over racially stratified free market economies that depend on vast plunder AND exploitation of the global south. That’s really the honest cut of it.



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    The classic example Is Egypt where they decreed their leader a god. But that was pretty standard practice for a lot of the area in the ancient Days in the East. While Rome had elections and when the Empire started and they declared themselves a god it was for the benefit of their Eastern provinces and they were roundly mocked for it at home.

    Egypt was systematically exploited and destroyed by the European powers during their various reigns and colonization efforts of Northern Africa. If you aren’t aware, a lot of these colonial ideals bled into indigenous ones. I am aware of Egypt…I am also sure you’re aware of the connection of the divinity and head of state has in the West that Egypt was inspired by and the absolutism of late 17th-19th century Europe? Strange parallel there…mayhaps you give it more thought.

    It will also bring a return to the 1980s style meddling in other governments. Supporting military coups and death squads in Latin America and elsewhere.

    That has always been America. China is currently using it’s resources and funds to develop and increase diplomatic ties with nations around the world while the Western IMF debt traps and exploits these nations for resources. Big difference.

    I could also point out that China is not actually communist. They are playing to the greed of Western capitalists to Garner our technology and get their factories built for them. Long term it’s smart, it sucks for all of their workers though, and all of the pollution that is not well regulated.

    70% of industry is owned by the state and all crucial industry is contained in there. If you’re going to speak on the economic practices of the CPC, I implore you to actually understand them. You understand a little, because you aren’t wrong on this

    They are playing to the greed of Western capitalists to Garner our technology and get their factories built for them.

    You are absolutely correct. However you are also forgetting that they have plenty of their own indigenous achievements and designs too. You are also forgetting that they are the ones to have built those productive forces, the schools, the institutions all for the people to garner that technology and institute it for their own good. What has America done with that tech?


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    Literally none of us are democrats. We are communists and very few of us are from the U.S.

    You’re getting bashed for trying to bash communist governance using talking points that would work against your average liberal. You are now getting surprised and straight up plugging your ears going “LALALALA” when someone actually has answers to the typical run-of-the-mill anti-communist state department garbage we have heard for decades.

    You are getting threatened and harassed because of your view on “Eastern-Style Governances” that is antiquated and outright offensive to those users who live under those governances on here. Nothing about being “PC”, it’s legit you’re talking out of your ass about eastern-style governance to people from there on here lmao.

    You should take this as a chance to learn. It is something that liberals/democrats will never do.


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    facade of elections

    On what evidence? We are literally giving you direct evidence from the C.I.A that the Soviet Union had plenty of democratic conventions. What is going against the fucking hostile, enemy intelligence agency that is the direct polar opposite to the Soviet Union and monitoring it’s every actions in your evidence?

    Your turn. Prove the Soviet Union had a “Facade of Elections”


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    It’s obvious you didn’t read what I wrote.

    First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.

    Because I didn’t say anything against that.

    Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.

    I’m not, because you have ignored all evidence that the Soviet Union and China actually have democratic conventions. There is other parties than the CPC, eight smaller ones actually. Provincial elections are held to determine the best candidates based on their skill and ability to serve the people, rather than what color and policies they back. Someone linked you a direct video of this, do you want more information on it, or are you content to believe that the East has no democratic conventions whatsoever?

    Yup. Funny enough, citizens in the Soviet Union had a better diet and caloric intake at the peak under Stalin than the United States. The Soviet Union and China also have a higher home ownership rate as well as a lower homelessness and poverty level.

    https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp85m00363r000601440024-5.pdf

    Read 'em and weep, tiger. That’s the “pointer”, one of many. From your very own intelligence agency that serves the West admonishing and giving credence to the power of the “Eastern Soviet System”. Funny how that works.

    Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly.

    All this rambling and gargling about “PC, WOKE cohorts”. I don’t need any of their approval in what I say, think or read, by the way. I found this website and came into it independently and of my own volition, through reading theory and doctrine of my own will. All your garbage about “PC brigade” falls apart when you realize most of us here are dedicated, well-read communists who have already dealt with many a “stupid” person like you and came into our political beliefs after many years of growth and political analysis.

    I’m not disparaging my comrades, because your garbage is meaningless. I should just clarify that you’re an idiot for even generalizing us all onto the “woke democrat bandwagon” despite the majority of us thinking that most of the U.S govt should be tried for crimes against humanity. Both sides of the aisles sentenced, please.

    One day, perhaps, you’ll learn too.