Western style governments refer to having elections, a free press, being allowed to criticize the powerful. That is not my terminology by the way, that is hundreds of years of terminology.
That is not my terminology by the way, that is hundreds of years of terminology.
The minimum number of years this could be is 200. At that time, 1825, most of Europe was run by monarchies still, with just a couple of hemi-demi-semi-democratic republics and hybrid governments (like England, excluding its colonies, which it ruled over despotically). +1 more for America as another fractionally democratic state. idk, I think if you’re calling those governments totally superior to “Eastern Governments,” you might just be, uh, uncritically parroting racists.
This is again similar to what the system claims vs. what the system produces/actually functions. We do have elections, but we also have like 66% voter turnout and we also have studies indicating massively popular policies never get passed (e.g. universal healthcare, tax billionaires, etc). Free press is debatable. All US mainstream news outlets are owned by the billionaire class, hardly any of them speak pro Palestine positions. Manufacturing Consent does a good job explaining how the US supposedly free press functions to ultimately peddle state department talking points and status quoisms.
Obviously the system has never been perfect and further corrupted from me Glory Days of the post war era however lacking they were,
But we kept elections and freedom of expressio, something eastern governments rarely had going back 2500 years.
And what you say is my fucking point to begin with. They are taking away our governmental structure, and replacing it with an Eastern style one, which is to say an autocracy with no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, and us at the complete mercy of the Criminal Justice System.
However bad it is now, you better believe it’s going to get a whole lot worse. Unless you guys get your head out of the establishment Democrats’ ass and help get some electable, populist, and aggressive candidates that know how to build and run a political machine.
“But we kept elections and freedom of expression, something eastern governments rarely had going back 2500 years.”*
The “west” has a history of colonialism and vast destruction of the global south through conquest and death that continues in the spirit of economic domination of third world nations via resource extraction and debt-traps through the IMF. At no point does our “Rich History” matters when all we’ve used it for is to oppress entire nations, classes of people and races of people.
“which is to say an autocracy with no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, and us at the complete mercy of the Criminal Justice System.”
wowza almost like suspected anarchists and communists in the 1920s-1980s under the U.S government!
First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.
Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.
Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly. As such I did not read whatever dribble you wrote.
First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.
Because I didn’t say anything against that.
Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.
I’m not, because you have ignored all evidence that the Soviet Union and China actually have democratic conventions. There is other parties than the CPC, eight smaller ones actually. Provincial elections are held to determine the best candidates based on their skill and ability to serve the people, rather than what color and policies they back. Someone linked you a direct video of this, do you want more information on it, or are you content to believe that the East has no democratic conventions whatsoever?
Yup. Funny enough, citizens in the Soviet Union had a better diet and caloric intake at the peak under Stalin than the United States. The Soviet Union and China also have a higher home ownership rate as well as a lower homelessness and poverty level.
Read 'em and weep, tiger. That’s the “pointer”, one of many. From your very own intelligence agency that serves the West admonishing and giving credence to the power of the “Eastern Soviet System”. Funny how that works.
Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly.
All this rambling and gargling about “PC, WOKE cohorts”. I don’t need any of their approval in what I say, think or read, by the way. I found this website and came into it independently and of my own volition, through reading theory and doctrine of my own will. All your garbage about “PC brigade” falls apart when you realize most of us here are dedicated, well-read communists who have already dealt with many a “stupid” person like you and came into our political beliefs after many years of growth and political analysis.
I’m not disparaging my comrades, because your garbage is meaningless. I should just clarify that you’re an idiot for even generalizing us all onto the “woke democrat bandwagon” despite the majority of us thinking that most of the U.S govt should be tried for crimes against humanity. Both sides of the aisles sentenced, please.
In case you don’t know all the people accusing you of Nazi level racism and insinuating you should be executed for the levels of Nazi racism you are experiencing here should at least give you pause and make you reflect on your racist remarks.
Otherwise I would not really give two shits if someone splattered your brains over a brick wall.
Wow buddy you are getting pretty emotional. Yes that’s a good point, making a distinction between western style republics and Eastern Style autocracies is… a distinction written in books and Publications for hundreds of years, including our modern era, that nobody has taken issue with until your PC auxiliary Brigade got in on the action here. You are why cynical politicians accuse people of being woke and the voters embrace it. Everybody has been unfairly attacked by a PC group. Luckily I am enlightened so will not affect my political behavior, maybe your time would be better spent helping prevent us from becoming an autocracy instead of denying a difference between what we used to have in this country and across the west, and what we are now becoming.
Unless you guys get your head out of the establishment Democrats’ ass
holy shit dumbass, you clearly have not spent a single second on this site have you?
replacing it with an Eastern style one, which is to say an autocracy with no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, and us at the complete mercy of the Criminal Justice System.
Famously, countries in the east have no freedom of expression and no freedom of the press, right? PLEASE understand that you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re honestly telling me that you buy the propaganda that China, a country with 1.4 billion people, has no freedom of expression and no freedom of the press?
People are calling you a Western Chauvinist because you are spouting shit like this, which JUST SO HAPPENS to also align with the US State Department talking points. Hmm… So maybe you could stop posting and responding for a minute, and have the courage to listen to the comrades here that are telling you you have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about.
That is a lot of words to state that there is no difference between liberal democracies and eastern governments.
Words I did not read.
Since you are resigned to surrender your freedom to the party I do not value your opinion on anything, or your pc reactionaries, everyone hates this shit and I am proud to be in opposition to your faction.
I understand your point and frustration but the impasse we are at here I believe is that the avg hexbear user would claim liberal democracy will ALWAYS trend in this direction. The system is what it does. Sure, I think it’s good to elect strong socialist-adjacent progressives in your local areas to improve the life of working class people, but (someone correct me I’m mistaken) the philosophical position here is that the end result of the system is always fascism and capitalist dictatorship. It will always trend to this conclusion.
The purpose of a system is what it does. You can say it’s freedom and democracy all you want but all I’ve seen out of it is genocide, human trafficking, and money laundering regardless of which of your capitalist parties is in charge.
Not the point. Describing the system of government as being better does not endorse everything that government has done, not the least as it has become the superpower.
Western style governments elect leaders, they have free press, they can criticize their leaders, and so forth. Eastern governments have never had that tradition. Might makes right, you criticize the leader you are in trouble, no honest media exists, and they do not elect leaders in any honest way.
You have a tradition of pederasty and killing indigenous people wtf are you talking about honesty lmao.
We are talking about the structure of government not the sum of the sins of the countries.
one doesn’t account for the other?
Western style governments refer to having elections, a free press, being allowed to criticize the powerful. That is not my terminology by the way, that is hundreds of years of terminology.
The minimum number of years this could be is 200. At that time, 1825, most of Europe was run by monarchies still, with just a couple of hemi-demi-semi-democratic republics and hybrid governments (like England, excluding its colonies, which it ruled over despotically). +1 more for America as another fractionally democratic state. idk, I think if you’re calling those governments totally superior to “Eastern Governments,” you might just be, uh, uncritically parroting racists.
This is again similar to what the system claims vs. what the system produces/actually functions. We do have elections, but we also have like 66% voter turnout and we also have studies indicating massively popular policies never get passed (e.g. universal healthcare, tax billionaires, etc). Free press is debatable. All US mainstream news outlets are owned by the billionaire class, hardly any of them speak pro Palestine positions. Manufacturing Consent does a good job explaining how the US supposedly free press functions to ultimately peddle state department talking points and status quoisms.
Obviously the system has never been perfect and further corrupted from me Glory Days of the post war era however lacking they were,
But we kept elections and freedom of expressio, something eastern governments rarely had going back 2500 years.
And what you say is my fucking point to begin with. They are taking away our governmental structure, and replacing it with an Eastern style one, which is to say an autocracy with no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, and us at the complete mercy of the Criminal Justice System.
However bad it is now, you better believe it’s going to get a whole lot worse. Unless you guys get your head out of the establishment Democrats’ ass and help get some electable, populist, and aggressive candidates that know how to build and run a political machine.
You’re just finding excuses to take all the credit (and exaggerate it, too) and none of the blame.
Would that be when the country legally segregated black people and functionally barred them from voting? Even moreso than now, I mean.
Also the era where we became a safe harbor for high-ranking Nazis.
The “west” has a history of colonialism and vast destruction of the global south through conquest and death that continues in the spirit of economic domination of third world nations via resource extraction and debt-traps through the IMF. At no point does our “Rich History” matters when all we’ve used it for is to oppress entire nations, classes of people and races of people.
wowza almost like suspected anarchists and communists in the 1920s-1980s under the U.S government!
First of all, Russia has never been considered a western style government they have always had in eastern style government.
Second of all, you are denying there is a difference between countries that elect their leaders, and countries with an all-powerful ruler.
Don’t let your PC auxiliary Brigade cohorts here think you are on to something, it is really too stupid for me to argue against here truly. As such I did not read whatever dribble you wrote.
It’s obvious you didn’t read what I wrote.
Because I didn’t say anything against that.
I’m not, because you have ignored all evidence that the Soviet Union and China actually have democratic conventions. There is other parties than the CPC, eight smaller ones actually. Provincial elections are held to determine the best candidates based on their skill and ability to serve the people, rather than what color and policies they back. Someone linked you a direct video of this, do you want more information on it, or are you content to believe that the East has no democratic conventions whatsoever?
Yup. Funny enough, citizens in the Soviet Union had a better diet and caloric intake at the peak under Stalin than the United States. The Soviet Union and China also have a higher home ownership rate as well as a lower homelessness and poverty level.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp85m00363r000601440024-5.pdf
Read 'em and weep, tiger. That’s the “pointer”, one of many. From your very own intelligence agency that serves the West admonishing and giving credence to the power of the “Eastern Soviet System”. Funny how that works.
All this rambling and gargling about “PC, WOKE cohorts”. I don’t need any of their approval in what I say, think or read, by the way. I found this website and came into it independently and of my own volition, through reading theory and doctrine of my own will. All your garbage about “PC brigade” falls apart when you realize most of us here are dedicated, well-read communists who have already dealt with many a “stupid” person like you and came into our political beliefs after many years of growth and political analysis.
I’m not disparaging my comrades, because your garbage is meaningless. I should just clarify that you’re an idiot for even generalizing us all onto the “woke democrat bandwagon” despite the majority of us thinking that most of the U.S govt should be tried for crimes against humanity. Both sides of the aisles sentenced, please.
One day, perhaps, you’ll learn too.
In case you don’t know all the people accusing you of Nazi level racism and insinuating you should be executed for the levels of Nazi racism you are experiencing here should at least give you pause and make you reflect on your racist remarks.
Otherwise I would not really give two shits if someone splattered your brains over a brick wall.
Wow buddy you are getting pretty emotional. Yes that’s a good point, making a distinction between western style republics and Eastern Style autocracies is… a distinction written in books and Publications for hundreds of years, including our modern era, that nobody has taken issue with until your PC auxiliary Brigade got in on the action here. You are why cynical politicians accuse people of being woke and the voters embrace it. Everybody has been unfairly attacked by a PC group. Luckily I am enlightened so will not affect my political behavior, maybe your time would be better spent helping prevent us from becoming an autocracy instead of denying a difference between what we used to have in this country and across the west, and what we are now becoming.
Look at that longass wall of text. Little guy is clearly a little mad
Lmao this dude is still going. Slowly shrinking into a corncob while accusing the rest of us of being mad
what fuckin books are you even talking about? Old Timey Racism for the 19th Century Cracker?
Literally talk to one person from “the east” and you’ll realize how absurdly wrong you are
holy shit dumbass, you clearly have not spent a single second on this site have you?
Famously, countries in the east have no freedom of expression and no freedom of the press, right? PLEASE understand that you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re honestly telling me that you buy the propaganda that China, a country with 1.4 billion people, has no freedom of expression and no freedom of the press?
People are calling you a Western Chauvinist because you are spouting shit like this, which JUST SO HAPPENS to also align with the US State Department talking points. Hmm… So maybe you could stop posting and responding for a minute, and have the courage to listen to the comrades here that are telling you you have no clue what the fuck you’re talking about.
That is a lot of words to state that there is no difference between liberal democracies and eastern governments.
Words I did not read.
Since you are resigned to surrender your freedom to the party I do not value your opinion on anything, or your pc reactionaries, everyone hates this shit and I am proud to be in opposition to your faction.
If you didn’t read the words, how do you know what they stated?
Bernie is a zionist. Is that your populist, aggressive candidate that will stop the genocide in Palestine?
I understand your point and frustration but the impasse we are at here I believe is that the avg hexbear user would claim liberal democracy will ALWAYS trend in this direction. The system is what it does. Sure, I think it’s good to elect strong socialist-adjacent progressives in your local areas to improve the life of working class people, but (someone correct me I’m mistaken) the philosophical position here is that the end result of the system is always fascism and capitalist dictatorship. It will always trend to this conclusion.
The purpose of a system is what it does. You can say it’s freedom and democracy all you want but all I’ve seen out of it is genocide, human trafficking, and money laundering regardless of which of your capitalist parties is in charge.
Not the point. Describing the system of government as being better does not endorse everything that government has done, not the least as it has become the superpower.
Western style governments elect leaders, they have free press, they can criticize their leaders, and so forth. Eastern governments have never had that tradition. Might makes right, you criticize the leader you are in trouble, no honest media exists, and they do not elect leaders in any honest way.
Hahahaha how are you like this lmao
A government that was designed by and to protect slaveowners and genocideers.