Do you think you have a pointer? Russia has always been an Eastern style government, even when they had the facade of elections. If you actually read any of my responses you would already know that. Just stroking off that outrage boner aren’t you?
On what evidence? We are literally giving you direct evidence from the C.I.A that the Soviet Union had plenty of democratic conventions. What is going against the fucking hostile, enemy intelligence agency that is the direct polar opposite to the Soviet Union and monitoring it’s every actions in your evidence?
Your turn. Prove the Soviet Union had a “Facade of Elections”
The Soviet Union got ganged up on by all the capitalist countries because everyone was scared shitless of socialism, all the super rich made sure they were attacked in any way possible, at one point they were fighting on 17 different fronts with the largest standing army the world has ever seen.
All of those attacks I believe led to their army gaming an outsized power that allowed them to seize control with a strong man and turning the government against what it should have been.
Stalin was a monster by all accounts. Maybe if Lennon or Trotsky were leading things it could have been different. Trotsky who got ice picked in the head by an assassin in Mexico City at a speech he was giving, by stalin’s agent.
As to the Democratic conventions, it was all fixed. There was some degree of voting at the beginning right after the revolution, the Bolsheviks got elected and then they got voted out the next Congress or whatever they called it and they kept power. Very few if any of their elections were honest to my knowledge.
That’s what it is, group trolling, trying to find any excuse to troll somebody for a purported infraction, not caring the truth of it. That is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
Listen, I’ll bring the tone down a notch. I hear your concerns about military power. While it’s valid to be wary of its domestic use, the characterization of Eastern citizens as “obedient slaves” is an unfair and harmful stereotype. Billions of people live full, free, and autonomous lives under various governments. We can debate policy without relying on racist tropes that misrepresent entire cultures.
That is not what I fucking said. And I explained that’s not what I said. I said trying to turn us into obedient slaves. Trying to turn us into an Eastern style government. Two separate points. But in regards to China it would not be all that incorrect anyway. The factory workers in China do 6-12s, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. No job protections, no benefits to speak of. If they get hurt there fucked. Many of them do not have residency in the city that they work in, which means they are illegal in their own country and can be jailed, beaten up, thrown out Uptown on a whim by employers and in the authorities. Now I know what you might say, they outlawed the 6-12s in China not long ago. But as Chinese workers have told us and has been published, the employers still forced them to work 6:12 and just pay them for less than that. Regardless the pay is starvation wages.
So you will excuse me if I stand up for myself against some PC Warriors trying to get offended on other people’s behalf without fucking cause.
I hear your frustration, and you’re right to be angry about worker exploitation; it’s a global problem.
But focusing that anger solely on China, using it as a civilizational bogeyman, is the issue. It ignores that our own system creates similar misery. Amazon workers in the US pee in bottles to meet quotas, gig workers have zero benefits, and millions face medical bankruptcy. This isn’t an “Eastern” problem.
By framing this as a unique moral failure of the East, you’re reinforcing a racist stereotype that the West is inherently free and the East is inherently servile.
I never said anything specifically about China originally, you are the one that framed it like that incorrectly. Eastern style government refers to non liberal democracies as everybody who reads current and past events of the era knows. Which is not you guys.
If you want to talk about China, they are a whore of Western corporations, gaining our tech and getting their factories built by western capital to save those companies money by undercutting us on labor and environmental cost, while selling all of their citizens out to destitute servitude.
It also shows a lack of logic. Because Republicans make bad faith attacks on china, all attacks on China are Republican in bad faith. It happens over and over on every subject.
The Republicans attack a federal agency that is failing, because they want to make them worse, and the Democrats and their sheep defend everything about that agency and not just the bad faith parts. You should do better you are not helping you are making things worse.
Your “Eastern-style government” framing is a colonial hangover that ignores material reality. You dismiss China as a “whore of Western corporations,” yet ignore its rapid sovereignty: lifting 800 million from poverty, leading in renewables, and building infrastructure at a scale capitalism can’t match. This wasn’t done for Western boardrooms.
Your dichotomy is the problem. You see a choice between a failing liberal democracy and a racist caricature of despotism. We see a third option: systems that prioritize material outcomes over abstract, selective freedoms. Our critique isn’t Republican bad faith; it’s anti-imperialism. You defend a system that creates misery at home and abroad, then blame those who point out the facade.
Just a question. Are you unaware of the fact that the people you are currently engaging with here are communists from all over the world, and not US democrats?
Wtf is that? I never saod that, maybe word to text errors. But you have not answered my actual points.
Meaning you are just looking for an excuse to be shitty to somebody regardless of their actual point.
This is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
If you want to respond to my actual refutations of your bad faith attacks I will respond, otherwise, piss off and find somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation or something.
More bad faith attacks ignoring and misunderstanding on purpose to troll someone, what the right calls the woke mob type shit.
All over the dumbest possible infraction, using established terminology you just decided right now is bigoted against… let me check my notes… autocratic eastern governments with an all powerful ruler dispensing with governance at will.
To say the dumbest possible infraction is not even accurate, the dumbest possible purposeful misunderstanding is more like it. Don’t let any crew of half wits think you have something here, the public at large would mock and ridicule you for this dumbass argument.
Disenlighten me, what is the difference between autocratic eastern governments and autocratic western governments so stark that it requires distinction between the two?
Do you think you have a pointer? Russia has always been an Eastern style government, even when they had the facade of elections. If you actually read any of my responses you would already know that. Just stroking off that outrage boner aren’t you?
On what evidence? We are literally giving you direct evidence from the C.I.A that the Soviet Union had plenty of democratic conventions. What is going against the fucking hostile, enemy intelligence agency that is the direct polar opposite to the Soviet Union and monitoring it’s every actions in your evidence?
Your turn. Prove the Soviet Union had a “Facade of Elections”
The Soviet Union got ganged up on by all the capitalist countries because everyone was scared shitless of socialism, all the super rich made sure they were attacked in any way possible, at one point they were fighting on 17 different fronts with the largest standing army the world has ever seen.
All of those attacks I believe led to their army gaming an outsized power that allowed them to seize control with a strong man and turning the government against what it should have been.
Stalin was a monster by all accounts. Maybe if Lennon or Trotsky were leading things it could have been different. Trotsky who got ice picked in the head by an assassin in Mexico City at a speech he was giving, by stalin’s agent.
As to the Democratic conventions, it was all fixed. There was some degree of voting at the beginning right after the revolution, the Bolsheviks got elected and then they got voted out the next Congress or whatever they called it and they kept power. Very few if any of their elections were honest to my knowledge.
This is easily the funniest thread we’ve had in a long time. Keep it up!
That’s what it is, group trolling, trying to find any excuse to troll somebody for a purported infraction, not caring the truth of it. That is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
Listen, I’ll bring the tone down a notch. I hear your concerns about military power. While it’s valid to be wary of its domestic use, the characterization of Eastern citizens as “obedient slaves” is an unfair and harmful stereotype. Billions of people live full, free, and autonomous lives under various governments. We can debate policy without relying on racist tropes that misrepresent entire cultures.
That is not what I fucking said. And I explained that’s not what I said. I said trying to turn us into obedient slaves. Trying to turn us into an Eastern style government. Two separate points. But in regards to China it would not be all that incorrect anyway. The factory workers in China do 6-12s, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. No job protections, no benefits to speak of. If they get hurt there fucked. Many of them do not have residency in the city that they work in, which means they are illegal in their own country and can be jailed, beaten up, thrown out Uptown on a whim by employers and in the authorities. Now I know what you might say, they outlawed the 6-12s in China not long ago. But as Chinese workers have told us and has been published, the employers still forced them to work 6:12 and just pay them for less than that. Regardless the pay is starvation wages.
So you will excuse me if I stand up for myself against some PC Warriors trying to get offended on other people’s behalf without fucking cause.
I hear your frustration, and you’re right to be angry about worker exploitation; it’s a global problem.
But focusing that anger solely on China, using it as a civilizational bogeyman, is the issue. It ignores that our own system creates similar misery. Amazon workers in the US pee in bottles to meet quotas, gig workers have zero benefits, and millions face medical bankruptcy. This isn’t an “Eastern” problem.
By framing this as a unique moral failure of the East, you’re reinforcing a racist stereotype that the West is inherently free and the East is inherently servile.
I never said anything specifically about China originally, you are the one that framed it like that incorrectly. Eastern style government refers to non liberal democracies as everybody who reads current and past events of the era knows. Which is not you guys.
If you want to talk about China, they are a whore of Western corporations, gaining our tech and getting their factories built by western capital to save those companies money by undercutting us on labor and environmental cost, while selling all of their citizens out to destitute servitude.
It also shows a lack of logic. Because Republicans make bad faith attacks on china, all attacks on China are Republican in bad faith. It happens over and over on every subject.
The Republicans attack a federal agency that is failing, because they want to make them worse, and the Democrats and their sheep defend everything about that agency and not just the bad faith parts. You should do better you are not helping you are making things worse.
Your “Eastern-style government” framing is a colonial hangover that ignores material reality. You dismiss China as a “whore of Western corporations,” yet ignore its rapid sovereignty: lifting 800 million from poverty, leading in renewables, and building infrastructure at a scale capitalism can’t match. This wasn’t done for Western boardrooms.
Your dichotomy is the problem. You see a choice between a failing liberal democracy and a racist caricature of despotism. We see a third option: systems that prioritize material outcomes over abstract, selective freedoms. Our critique isn’t Republican bad faith; it’s anti-imperialism. You defend a system that creates misery at home and abroad, then blame those who point out the facade.
Just a question. Are you unaware of the fact that the people you are currently engaging with here are communists from all over the world, and not US democrats?
But you’re still here playing along with us, we appreciate that
If you had a stroke, nobody would notice the difference
Wtf is that? I never saod that, maybe word to text errors. But you have not answered my actual points.
Meaning you are just looking for an excuse to be shitty to somebody regardless of their actual point.
This is why everybody hates the PC brigades.
If you want to respond to my actual refutations of your bad faith attacks I will respond, otherwise, piss off and find somebody to accuse of cultural appropriation or something.
Someone else raised this possibility and now i have to ask: were you raised in a Mormon compound?
What refutation lol you just keep saying eastern style government is bad and authoritarian.
Elections being a facade has been the hallmark of the governments you call western style but as I’ve just read you don’t really care about that.
More bad faith attacks ignoring and misunderstanding on purpose to troll someone, what the right calls the woke mob type shit.
All over the dumbest possible infraction, using established terminology you just decided right now is bigoted against… let me check my notes… autocratic eastern governments with an all powerful ruler dispensing with governance at will.
To say the dumbest possible infraction is not even accurate, the dumbest possible purposeful misunderstanding is more like it. Don’t let any crew of half wits think you have something here, the public at large would mock and ridicule you for this dumbass argument.
Disenlighten me, what is the difference between autocratic eastern governments and autocratic western governments so stark that it requires distinction between the two?
I have already told you this multiple times. Respond to my actual points I have made or piss off