Oh poor baby, you need a wittle spell check to make sure you don’t mess up the words in your important email?
Oh little loser, you gotta have an automatic transmission to make the car go vroom vroom?
Oh Mr. has-a-life, you have to pull out Shazam instead of knowing 8 million songs by heart?
All of us use technology to make our lives easier, to supplement skills we don’t want to sink perfectionist-level time into, to enjoy “good enough” results in one area or another.
This kind of holier-than-thou hyperbolic snobbery does nothing to generate actual thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques of generative AI’s ethics and other negative effects. I wish this sub didn’t allow low-effort meme posts because it’s such a brain rot circle-jerk.
I don’t think the tweet is about technology in general. It is specifically targeting one technology, so I don’t think it impedes “thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence.” There are good uses of AI, certainly. Replacing the human effort necessary for art and writing, though, are definitely not good uses. A big part of what makes art important is that it is effortful - that is why people react so negatively to some postmodern and modern art that doesn’t look like it took great skill to make. As for writing - the only point of writing an essay is to achieve human-to-human connection. Using ChatGPT for stereo instructions is maybe inaccurate, but not bad in the way that using ChatGPT for an essay is bad. That is why the “do you need chat gpt to fuck your wife” zinger hits: you are replacing human interactions with some bullshit gadget.
The loss of skill requirements within trades and crafts is likely a major factor in the cascades of ineptitude we experience in our society. The barriers to entry also directly benefitted the quality of those spaces, and naturally flagged the incompetent (if you are incompetent and lack spell check, your mis-spellings served as a demonstration that you are not a skilled writer. Same for driving, musical recognition, engineering as well).
We’ve seen a clear decline in the general quality of all products, and I can’t help but feel that the automation of skill is directly connected to that decline. This tweet seems to mirror that sentiment in its mockery. You don’t have to think anymore about pretty much any of the process, you just get an output you can ship immediately. So it goes without saying that you can be without any skill and still have a footprint within spaces you have no merit to be in.
Well said.
I don’t remember the exact headline, but I skimmed an article that said recent graduates are having trouble getting jobs because many entry-level tasks are being automated. This will be a huge problem in a few years because entry-level jobs are the training for upper level jobs. LLMs are not cut out for work that takes careful analysis and communication, and they are useless for tasks where accuracy matters. How do managers propose that we fill those jobs if they won’t train entry-level employees?
You said something here that is pertinent, but also revealing. We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it? The automatic transmission cited above allowed anyone with a pulse the ability to get behind the wheel of a car rather than putting in any effort to acquire the skill to operate a motor vehicle. Great for the people who built our car-ciety, we have all suffered for it, including inaccessible essential services w/o one and getting stuck in traffic caused in the most part by people who should never be behind a wheel of a car. Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art? Cause we’ve got that now. Great…
I don’t think automatic transmissions are in any way responsible for car centric urban planning, Europe has plenty of it and the transition to automatics is very slow and quite recent.
I agree far too many people are allowed to drive when they shouldn’t but people dying on the road is more socially acceptable than stringent standards for being allowed to operate lethal machines at insanely high speeds (in terms of kinetic energy at least).
Yes, the automatic transmission is not solely responsible, but it was a means to an end. How can we get more people in cars? Make it easier to drive! Brilliant. Except now we have this… It’s irrational but it’s my brain and I can do what I want with it!
Too true. Cars and motorized vehicles make everything too easy. Lets go back to horses. But even that is making people less capable of walking long distance. Lets go back to the good old days of not technology at all!
Ohhh so edgy. Fucking daft loser can’t read, just like the rest of the idiots trolling the socials. If we didn’t have technology, I wouldn’t have to hear from idjits like your dumb ass, so at least there’d be that.
We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it?
🙄 Yes. If you disagree with something this obvious, please write me a lengthy letter explaining why and send it by horse & buggy mail carrier. I promise, I’ll read and respond just as soon as I’m able.
Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art?
🤮🤮🤮 Maybe we should require an intelligence test before allowing people to post their opinions on the internet too? Or have children?
If you actually think that disallowing some people to create art because they aren’t “good enough,” then you aren’t really defending art or artists at all.
The point is we value people who are at the top of their specific game for a reason. When the barriers to access are removed, that’s great, but it dilutes the end game product over all. Sorry not sorry. Easier lives makes dumber people I guess? Boy that’s so cool! I get it, busy people can use AI to make their days less busy, but people who aren’t too busy are using it and getting dumber for it. Prove me wrong. Yes technology has a myriad of benefits, but also a myriad of pitfalls too. Weird, eh? I’m not disallowing people from making art, but no one should or would buy it in a real world environment. I would ask, what value does it add to the world? Art is an expression of the artist interpreting the world. AI art is rubbish and it gives you exactly what you ask for. Cool? Maybe, but not art.
This is not a fact, capitalism is a cruel thing, so real authors who write with pain and realism will be increasingly difficult to find among the AI garbage.
Who is gatekeeping?! Just cause I don’t feel the same as you doesn’t mean you can’t do a thing? Technology is great, but it can also be stupid, and dangerous, and misused and by golly, even detrimental.
By golly you are right we should stop people from using hammers too. Think about it people can misuse them and hit their thumbs or break things. They are so detrimental to society. If people dont try and hammer in nails with their thick skulls everyone’s life’s gonna get so much easier and less busy as they stop having to go to the doctor to get stitches all the time and as a consequence they are all going to get so much more stupid.
Again, this whole idea that you need to make an argument about the tradeoffs of technology in general in order to make an argument against AI is weak and needless. Do you have a smart phone you use the calculator on sometimes, or do you write out all your long-form division? Is everyone who owns a microwave, uses tax preparation software, or switches to an electric toothbrush just a lazy dumb-dumb in your mind?
When the barriers to access are removed, that’s great
but it dilutes the end game product over all.
AI art is rubbish and it gives you exactly what you ask for.
Cool? Maybe,
This is just talking out of both sides of your mouth trying to sound fair and balanced instead of actually making a good argument. “AI art is rubbish” – yes!!! We don’t need vacuous, hypocritical hot takes on using technology to say that.
That’s not the only thing I’m talking about, but it seemed relevant to the post? Way to fixate on one thing I am saying instead of just agreeing with me? I thought an argument was supposed to be thought out? I’m not just talking about AI though. I really hate the automatic transmission if you really want to know. Like, it doesn’t rule my life or anything, I just think it has allowed stupid people to get in my way. AI art is slop and I’m not afraid of being replaced. Just so we are clear!
You are mad at automatic transmission too? Maybe you should also consider the method in which you are having this conversation before attacking types technology. Tech has always been about making things easier.
Damn people are stupid. See what I mean, you can’t even read that I am not against technology, only that it has consequences. People are fucking dense.
AI is literally just a tool. Just because it might have potential to replace certain tasks doesn’t make it something else. A robot can automate a task to allow for automated production lines but just because it can replace a previous task doesn’t make it not a tool.
Well, thanks to AI, art may soon die. Well, you’ve heard of AI agents. Those who control them will brazenly take over the market and push out real artists and writers, and then there’s this AI moderation. Damn, at this rate, authors will have to sell offline so their work doesn’t get stolen or banned, lol
Pedantry. “Think less, shut up, accept what the algorithm feeds you from this sub without question” was still the basic gist.
🤷♂️ I’m drinking tea and having a nice day. Sorry you think I’m getting bent out of shape just because I’m critiquing your poorly thought-out comments. 🙂
you’re getting bent out of shape over such an insignificant piece of shit like me, it’s pathetic.
My guy it honestly sounds like you’re the one who needs to take a screen break more than I do. Be well.
The author is an illustrator from what I remember. It’s a totally valid point. Automatic transmission is one thing. Wasting resources on creating an image or an essay is wasteful and everyone should realize this.
I wish this sub didn’t allow low-effort meme posts because it’s such a brain rot circle-jerk.
There are plenty of articles that are written out that you can read. AI takes immense energy to operate, for one. It uses a lot of water. Go down and read what journalists have written, and you’ll find that there are solid points against AI development that name-calling will not do justice.
and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques
No, it doesn’t. You just want to be able to pick from your buffet of cake flavors without it being morally complicated. Gen AI is demon technology made by demons, and those demons deserve mockery and ridicule. It should be impolite to be this anti-social.
You want to get mad at how capitalist distort inventions into profit machines that continue to enshitify our lives so they can enrich themselves at the expense of others. Go right ahead but acting like a tool that is helpful in summarization and translation is some terrible plight on humanity is just simply put complete brain rot.
You know people who use google translate to “speak spanish” are made fun of? It can’t translate puns. I cannot imagine using this for any serious translation work.
This is such a weird take.
All of us use technology to make our lives easier, to supplement skills we don’t want to sink perfectionist-level time into, to enjoy “good enough” results in one area or another.
This kind of holier-than-thou hyperbolic snobbery does nothing to generate actual thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence and only distracts and detracts from actually good critiques of generative AI’s ethics and other negative effects. I wish this sub didn’t allow low-effort meme posts because it’s such a brain rot circle-jerk.
I don’t think the tweet is about technology in general. It is specifically targeting one technology, so I don’t think it impedes “thoughtful reflection of where to draw the line with technology dependence.” There are good uses of AI, certainly. Replacing the human effort necessary for art and writing, though, are definitely not good uses. A big part of what makes art important is that it is effortful - that is why people react so negatively to some postmodern and modern art that doesn’t look like it took great skill to make. As for writing - the only point of writing an essay is to achieve human-to-human connection. Using ChatGPT for stereo instructions is maybe inaccurate, but not bad in the way that using ChatGPT for an essay is bad. That is why the “do you need chat gpt to fuck your wife” zinger hits: you are replacing human interactions with some bullshit gadget.
The loss of skill requirements within trades and crafts is likely a major factor in the cascades of ineptitude we experience in our society. The barriers to entry also directly benefitted the quality of those spaces, and naturally flagged the incompetent (if you are incompetent and lack spell check, your mis-spellings served as a demonstration that you are not a skilled writer. Same for driving, musical recognition, engineering as well).
We’ve seen a clear decline in the general quality of all products, and I can’t help but feel that the automation of skill is directly connected to that decline. This tweet seems to mirror that sentiment in its mockery. You don’t have to think anymore about pretty much any of the process, you just get an output you can ship immediately. So it goes without saying that you can be without any skill and still have a footprint within spaces you have no merit to be in.
The decline in general quality of products is because corporate wants you to buy the same thing over and over again. Quality doesn’t matter.
What kind of evidence are you seeing that there is a loss in skill requirements and lowered barriers to entry?
Take a look at a newly constructed home sometime.
That’s what decent folks call anecdotal evidence. I’m looking for something more definitive.
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Well said. I don’t remember the exact headline, but I skimmed an article that said recent graduates are having trouble getting jobs because many entry-level tasks are being automated. This will be a huge problem in a few years because entry-level jobs are the training for upper level jobs. LLMs are not cut out for work that takes careful analysis and communication, and they are useless for tasks where accuracy matters. How do managers propose that we fill those jobs if they won’t train entry-level employees?
You said something here that is pertinent, but also revealing. We all use technology everyday to make our lives easier, but does it? The automatic transmission cited above allowed anyone with a pulse the ability to get behind the wheel of a car rather than putting in any effort to acquire the skill to operate a motor vehicle. Great for the people who built our car-ciety, we have all suffered for it, including inaccessible essential services w/o one and getting stuck in traffic caused in the most part by people who should never be behind a wheel of a car. Do you want people writing books and creating art that have no business writing books or creating art? Cause we’ve got that now. Great…
I don’t think automatic transmissions are in any way responsible for car centric urban planning, Europe has plenty of it and the transition to automatics is very slow and quite recent.
I agree far too many people are allowed to drive when they shouldn’t but people dying on the road is more socially acceptable than stringent standards for being allowed to operate lethal machines at insanely high speeds (in terms of kinetic energy at least).
Yes, the automatic transmission is not solely responsible, but it was a means to an end. How can we get more people in cars? Make it easier to drive! Brilliant. Except now we have this… It’s irrational but it’s my brain and I can do what I want with it!
Too true. Cars and motorized vehicles make everything too easy. Lets go back to horses. But even that is making people less capable of walking long distance. Lets go back to the good old days of not technology at all!
Ohhh so edgy. Fucking daft loser can’t read, just like the rest of the idiots trolling the socials. If we didn’t have technology, I wouldn’t have to hear from idjits like your dumb ass, so at least there’d be that.
🙄 Yes. If you disagree with something this obvious, please write me a lengthy letter explaining why and send it by horse & buggy mail carrier. I promise, I’ll read and respond just as soon as I’m able.
🤮🤮🤮 Maybe we should require an intelligence test before allowing people to post their opinions on the internet too? Or have children?
If you actually think that disallowing some people to create art because they aren’t “good enough,” then you aren’t really defending art or artists at all.
The point is we value people who are at the top of their specific game for a reason. When the barriers to access are removed, that’s great, but it dilutes the end game product over all. Sorry not sorry. Easier lives makes dumber people I guess? Boy that’s so cool! I get it, busy people can use AI to make their days less busy, but people who aren’t too busy are using it and getting dumber for it. Prove me wrong. Yes technology has a myriad of benefits, but also a myriad of pitfalls too. Weird, eh? I’m not disallowing people from making art, but no one should or would buy it in a real world environment. I would ask, what value does it add to the world? Art is an expression of the artist interpreting the world. AI art is rubbish and it gives you exactly what you ask for. Cool? Maybe, but not art.
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It doesn’t do that at all. People creating great art isn’t going away. Stop being a dumb gatekeeper too.
This is not a fact, capitalism is a cruel thing, so real authors who write with pain and realism will be increasingly difficult to find among the AI garbage.
Who is gatekeeping?! Just cause I don’t feel the same as you doesn’t mean you can’t do a thing? Technology is great, but it can also be stupid, and dangerous, and misused and by golly, even detrimental.
By golly you are right we should stop people from using hammers too. Think about it people can misuse them and hit their thumbs or break things. They are so detrimental to society. If people dont try and hammer in nails with their thick skulls everyone’s life’s gonna get so much easier and less busy as they stop having to go to the doctor to get stitches all the time and as a consequence they are all going to get so much more stupid.
Jarvis, explain what the hell this means.
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Again, this whole idea that you need to make an argument about the tradeoffs of technology in general in order to make an argument against AI is weak and needless. Do you have a smart phone you use the calculator on sometimes, or do you write out all your long-form division? Is everyone who owns a microwave, uses tax preparation software, or switches to an electric toothbrush just a lazy dumb-dumb in your mind?
This is just talking out of both sides of your mouth trying to sound fair and balanced instead of actually making a good argument. “AI art is rubbish” – yes!!! We don’t need vacuous, hypocritical hot takes on using technology to say that.
That’s not the only thing I’m talking about, but it seemed relevant to the post? Way to fixate on one thing I am saying instead of just agreeing with me? I thought an argument was supposed to be thought out? I’m not just talking about AI though. I really hate the automatic transmission if you really want to know. Like, it doesn’t rule my life or anything, I just think it has allowed stupid people to get in my way. AI art is slop and I’m not afraid of being replaced. Just so we are clear!
You are mad at automatic transmission too? Maybe you should also consider the method in which you are having this conversation before attacking types technology. Tech has always been about making things easier.
Damn people are stupid. See what I mean, you can’t even read that I am not against technology, only that it has consequences. People are fucking dense.
I may say you are right, but AI is not just a tool…
AI is literally just a tool. Just because it might have potential to replace certain tasks doesn’t make it something else. A robot can automate a task to allow for automated production lines but just because it can replace a previous task doesn’t make it not a tool.
Well, thanks to AI, art may soon die. Well, you’ve heard of AI agents. Those who control them will brazenly take over the market and push out real artists and writers, and then there’s this AI moderation. Damn, at this rate, authors will have to sell offline so their work doesn’t get stolen or banned, lol
bruh, it’s literally a mockery. they are mocking the ineptitude of people who use AI.
way to overanalyze a tweet.
“You’re using your brain too much, just enjoy the ‘hUmOr’” as a defense of this is ironically the funniest thing in this thread.
I didn’t say it was humor. I said they are mocking them.
if your AI brainrot hadn’t been so severe you might have comprehended that.
Jesus dude, go touch some grass. you’re getting bent out of shape over such an insignificant piece of shit like me, it’s pathetic.
Pedantry. “Think less, shut up, accept what the algorithm feeds you from this sub without question” was still the basic gist.
🤷♂️ I’m drinking tea and having a nice day. Sorry you think I’m getting bent out of shape just because I’m critiquing your poorly thought-out comments. 🙂
My guy it honestly sounds like you’re the one who needs to take a screen break more than I do. Be well.
The author is an illustrator from what I remember. It’s a totally valid point. Automatic transmission is one thing. Wasting resources on creating an image or an essay is wasteful and everyone should realize this.
Damn you cry alot.
What do you mean “don’t want”?
ChaosGPT, build me a time machine!
There are plenty of articles that are written out that you can read. AI takes immense energy to operate, for one. It uses a lot of water. Go down and read what journalists have written, and you’ll find that there are solid points against AI development that name-calling will not do justice.
No, it doesn’t. You just want to be able to pick from your buffet of cake flavors without it being morally complicated. Gen AI is demon technology made by demons, and those demons deserve mockery and ridicule. It should be impolite to be this anti-social.
You want to get mad at how capitalist distort inventions into profit machines that continue to enshitify our lives so they can enrich themselves at the expense of others. Go right ahead but acting like a tool that is helpful in summarization and translation is some terrible plight on humanity is just simply put complete brain rot.
You know people who use google translate to “speak spanish” are made fun of? It can’t translate puns. I cannot imagine using this for any serious translation work.
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I said serious translation work. What, are you translating the german memes on ich eil?
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No, I don’t converse with demons. A machine speaking falsehoods and lies in my holy tongue? Disgusting.
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Ok, keep religion out of it. Be real.
What, we can’t have a little poetry? Is fun illegal now?
No! No fun allowed!
You hit the nail on the head. The irrational hatred in this sub can’t beat logic.
Yeah, think I’m going to go ahead and block this sub.