Proposed legislation behind the impending US government shutdown contains provisions that would ban federal funding for transgender adults, as well as youngsters.

  • sudoer777@lemmy.ml
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    2 hours ago

    IDK how dumb this idea is, but what if Trump/Republicans that align with him are trying to cause a shutdown to take advantage of the chaos somehow and blame it on the Democrats, and part of the reason for sending the military to Portland/LA was to anger the Democrats enough to not fold?

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      Put down the tack board and red thread. Not everything is part of a conspiracy. Not everything is connected. Not everything is a distraction from the Epstein files. Not everything is part of some grand plan. The fascists are perfectly capable of doing multiple awful things at once, each for their own independently awful reason.

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      It’s not a dumb idea, it’s almost certainly what’s occurring, with the caveat that I don’t think they actually want to shut the government down. Whenever you hear about an impending government shutdown, it is always a game of political chicken, trying to find out who will cave first, while simultaneously trying to preemptively sell the public that it’s the other party’s fault. Look at the messaging from the white House and congressional majority leadership. It’s all “oooh the Democrats aren’t willing to pass our super clean funding bill to keep the government open, they are unserious and willing to hold the American people hostage in order to continue mutilating babies”. Meanwhile, Democrats state (accurately) that Republicans need Democrat votes to pass anything, therefore it is incumbent upon them to negotiate in good faith.

      There’s nothing more antithetical to Trumpism than good faith negotiation and compromise, so he’s doing everything in his power to avoid that, lest it appear like he had to cave to Schumer, to include cancelling the meeting they had scheduled last week in favor of doing the meeting today, at the 11th hour, to further pressure the Dems into capitulating.

      Now, it’s important to note that, for all of the political brinkmanship on display, shutting down the government is, historically, far more damaging for the majority party than the minority, though the public tends to take a dim view of everyone involved in this sort of situation. Therefore, Dems have reason to stand fast and Republicans have an incentive to make concessions. This is in addition to the fact that Schumer got a lot of flak for instructing Dems to fund the government back in the spring, so he’s also likely motivated to feign some backbone in this particular tete a tete.

      I consider the occupation of certain cities to be mostly unrelated to the funding fight. In fact, it would have behooved Trump to not antagonize Dems leading up to this for the aforementioned reasons. With that being said, Trump doesn’t do things according to what makes political sense, and, to your point, I can see a scenario where Trump is the only person at the negotiation table today who is totally ambivalent about whether a deal is struck or not. A local (Republican) representative was quoted with a statement to the effect of, “I’m not sure if the Dems have considered the fact that the Presidency is granted additional powers in the event of a budget related shutdown, maybe they should think about that”.

      So, you’ve got Dems at the table who are motivated to follow through with a shutdown unless they get certain carve outs. You’ve got congressional Reps at the table who are aware that the American public has historically always blamed the party in power when a shutdown occurs, and are thus motivated to make concessions, but quietly. And then you’ve got Trump et al, who gain additional emergency powers in the event of a shutdown, further diminishing the legitimacy of the other branches of government and increasing the consolidation of power within the executive branch. However, if the government doesn’t shut down, Trump will likely spin this as yet another example of his brilliant negotiating ability (see also the Gaza peace plan released this week), even if there’s a snowballs chance in hell that any concession appears in further funding bills the next time this occurs.

      Idk if any of that holds any water in the face of evidence, but it’s compelling speculation.

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      There is no 5D chess from this administration. They’ve proven themselves time and time again to be greedy and incompetent.

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    So wait…. You’ll shut down the biggest thing that has been causing everyone so much grief?

    Don’t threaten us with a good time. Also;

    WE DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.

  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I refuse to leave my home and I refuse to move but if and when the American state dies I will celebrate. Trump should know this, there will not not be mass waves of refugees but a vast army of workers ready to crush his skull and leave him hanging by the legs.

  • Johnny101@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Do it you fucking orange, do it.

    But don’t be surprised when half your population moves to a better country.

    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      No fuck that bullshit, I was born in the city of New York, I have lived most of my life in this city, and I will be damned if I have to leave. From my point of view I will stay in this city until the federal government fucks off and if I have to fight so be it.

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      getting rid of half the population is the goal. they’d prefer we emigrate (which is not nearly as easy as you seem to be assume) but killing us is also an acceptable means, as has been demonstrated.

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      I honestly don’t think he even knows what shutting down the government actually means. I’m betting he thinks it’s just the poors not getting access to essential services, which he’s probably fine with. I’m positive he doesn’t realize that it cuts off literally every perk except for secret service that he gets as president. The entire White House staff will be sent home except for executives and unpaid interns.

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        The entire White House staff will be sent home except for executives and unpaid interns.

        As long as one of those interns will bring him McDonalds, he won’t care.

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        Honestly, at this point the government already is shut down. It’s been shut down for months. We’re just still in the denial stage. Trump’s claimed and a criminally corrupt SCOTUS has endorsed Trump just refusing to pay funds allocated by Congress. There is absolutely zero point in Democrats negotiating with Republicans on this, as Trump can just refuse to pay any Democratic priorities they fund.

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          Can or can’t doesn’t really matter to Trump. He will blame Democrats he will blame Biden he will blame “antifa” and he will blame immigrants. Trump is inherently incapable of taking responsibility for anything. He will just pick a group or person, usually one that is particularly irritating to him in that moment, and he will shove all the responsibility for everything that’s going wrong on them.

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            I was being rhetorical. He can and he’s backed by legacy and new media. Goebbels built Nazi propaganda “in a cave with a box of scraps”, imagine what can be done with AI, bots and social media.

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    Do it. Shut the government down. I don’t think you got the guts to give away your power in protest, you orange bum