More! I need more of this!
Context from the article:
The congresswoman — as part of a town hall-style event in New York City — claimed that Homan threatened to refer her to the Justice Department after she gave a “Know Your Rights with ICE” webinar to those concerned about President Donald Trump’s immigration policies.
Carry on AOC, just do not forget about the American people, even the asswipes supporting Krasnov.
She’s always been such an action hero. Even now as the conservatives are emboldened. Tell me who’s gonna lead the god damn revolution.
By the looks of it, her being imprisoned is what might America stand up, or not. Most of Republicans are racist pieces of shit with no moral compass or compassion to the extent that it is guaranteed they all go tell hell if they are Christians for eternity, all to suck an orange mans cock for a few years. Talk about people hurt by being closeted.
Only thing they we’ll make Americans stand up is if they turned off the internet. But then they’d probably just go to tv again.
Bernie and AOC are the only two representatives that have ever gotten me so fired up that I’m signing up for phone banking & door knocking even though that’s like the last fucking thing I wanna do in my free time.
I am even hate calling my state representatives and telling them to just do what AOC says because clearly she’s got the biggest balls in the room and actually understands what her job is-- fighting for the people she represents, not corporate interests.
I called my representative a few years back and his office said you should call your representative because they weren’t it. That was Florida. The day Rubio and Voldemort get to meet the working class, will be a day their family says, oh shit, that’s what I thought
Please stay safe, AOC
Homan, when asked about Evers’ guidance outside the White House on Thursday, answered, “Wait ’til you see what’s coming.”
These absolute fucking ghouls. Homan needs to be put against the fucking wall.
Mod here: We’ve received several reports from this comment thread. If I had the power to lock just this thread, I would because I can see how this conversation has some seeds for productive discourse, but that doesn’t seem to be the direction that things are headed toward right now.
I would encourage people to reread what each other has said, and rather than immediately thinking of a rebuttal, read it a second or third time until you can interpret what the other person said a different way than you initially read it.
What’s more, Pam Bondi is probably the one orchestrating and advising on political prosecutions that are almost certainly implied by “what’s coming.”
But I really hope my other intuition is correct and they have not yet fully staffed the DOJ with fascist sycophants. I am hoping there are enough decent people that they have been and will derail the worst of it, at least in the short term.
I feel like the recession and threat of joblessness will sway a lot of those decent people to “just doing my job” their way into being okay with it.
Mod here: We’ve received several reports from this comment thread. If I had the power to lock just this thread, I would because I can see how this conversation has some seeds for productive discourse, but that doesn’t seem to be the direction that things are headed toward right now.
I would encourage people to reread what each other has said, and rather than immediately thinking of a rebuttal, read it a second or third time until you can interpret what the other person said a different way than you initially read it.
this conversation has some seeds for productive discourse, but that doesn’t seem to be the direction that things are headed toward right now.
Why is some unproductive discourse a problem? Why is it so severe that a (hypothetical) thread lock is needed?
If a conversation isn’t productive and people are just becoming mean and ugly toward each other, then all we’re left with is people being mean and ugly toward each other. That doesn’t promote community, it creates rage bait. And not that it necessarily means a conversation can’t be productive, I would assume — although maybe incorrectly — that the reason people are on Lemmy is because they’ve seen what happens when rage is monetized on social media platforms, and they came here to get away from that.
all we’re left with is people being mean and ugly toward each other.
Disagree. There would be some people being mean and ugly toward each other, but those subthreads can easily be hidden by the user.
rage is monetized on social media platforms
Yes, we certainly don’t want to encourage rage for attention and clicks. But locking a thread always seemed over-authoritarian to me.
Obviously I’m only talking hypothetically here. I’m trying to understand the logic behind locking threads in general. Nothing against you or regarding this topic in particular.
I guess my idea was that locking the comment thread wouldn’t censor the viewpoints, and everyone could still read the differing views while tamping down on toxicity.
Please stay safe, AOC
No, don’t. The opposition playing it safe is how the fascists are winning.
bro doesn’t know the difference between “stay safe” and “play safe”
You know what I meant.
Yes, I know what you meant. But the reality is, defeating fascism is not a safe thing to do. If we all stick with the mentality of being safe, we will lose our rights forever.
Edit: I guess the downvotes I’m getting just go to show how many of us are fascists and/or cowards.
Edit 2: keep downvoting without replying to refute my point, fascist cowards. You’re only proving me right with every click. You have no fucking rebuttal and you know it.
You’re getting downvoted for being a dick. Stop being a dick and maybe people will listen to you. You can be correct and have a counterproductive attitude. Especially knowing that Lemmy is largely filled with people who align with you.
Nope, I was getting downvoted before that. Try again.
The real reason is that people don’t want to hear what a dire situation we’re actually in. They want to delude themselves into thinking that “safe” politics as usual is capable of solving the problems we’re faced with to day, but it isn’t. So they shoot the messenger.
Yeah, because you were being a dick on your first comment.
Just say “my bad” and be more thoughtful going forward, that’s all it takes.
TIL not wanting to discourage standing up to fascism makes me a “dick.”
🙄
You can tell yourself what you want, but I agree with your view, and still had to downvote just to reduce the toxicity hogging space from up top. I use the votes as signal boosters / signal dampeners. Lower voted, for most people, end up in the bottom, where most don’t reach them.
Some people don’t want to hear it, because they know it by heart already. Some because it’s not productive and only serves to lower morale. Some, because that’s just defeatist and/or escalatory. Whatever the reason, I’m certain most people do not need to hear that shit. What purpose would it even serve? Things are not as dire as that and you know it too, you are just being sensational for whatever reason you’ve conjured yourself. I even agree that things have to hurt before meaningful action starts to happen at a meaningful level, but hoping specifically someone to get hurt and/or not stay safe is just you being a prick. Nobody needs to be exposed to that.
hoping specifically someone to get hurt
What the fuck is wrong with you?! That is not even slightly what I said and you fucking know it. Telling hateful lies like that is 10000% more “prick” behavior than anything I did!
There’s a big fucking difference between hoping that somebody will not listen to cowardly advice, and hoping they get hurt. I shouldn’t have to explain that to the entire fucking thread, but I’m apparently surrounded by idiots.
Ok chicken little
Ok chicken little
See, this shit right here is exactly why statements like the one I made are necessary. Trump is attacking the press, sending people to gulags without due process, and all sorts of other blatantly tyrannical shit, and he just refuses to see it.
Yes, I know what you meant. But the reality is, defeating fascism is not a safe thing to do. If we all stick with the mentality of being safe, we will lose our rights forever.
Edit: I guess the downvotes I’m getting just go to show how many of us are fascists and/or cowards.
Edit 2: keep downvoting without replying to refute my point, fascist cowards. You’re only proving me right with every click. You have no fucking rebuttal and you know it.
Yeah, no. That’s not a choice you get to make for AOC.
It’s not even a choice you get to make for anyone but yourself.
I’ll put it another way, perhaps more clearly:
If you volunteer your own safety and even your life in the cause of defending others from evil, you’re a hero. I mean that sincerely.
But when you freely volunteer someone else’s safety and even their own life for a cause that you have determined they should suffer and die for, no matter how noble or ethical, you are just another arrogant prick who has strayed SO far from your own lane that you’ve become blind to your own anti-fascist cause, even the moral lines you 100% believe you’re defending.
Add to this the fact that AOC is female, and how many men believe women are disposable and even interchangeable, and that just adds a whole 'nother level of self-engaged fuckery to your outburst.
In case all this isn’t clear enough for you, FASCISTS are the ones who gleefully sacrifice others to their cause and blithely determine them all to be sacrifices they’re willing to make on the behalf of the majority. Maybe go back and think about what you’re really advocating before you adopt the exact same tactics you decry in others to make it happen.
In the meantime you richly deserve every downvote you get.
EDITED TO ADD ORIGINAL QUOTE:
Please stay safe, AOC
No, don’t. The opposition playing it safe is how the fascists are winning.
Yeah, no. That’s not a choice you get to make for AOC.
And I’m not!
But @prole over there thinks it’s somehow a good thing to encourage her to stop. Since when is he entitled to tell her to second-guess the decision she already made?
It’s ironic that he’s the one who committed the offense you think was so heinous – trying to tell AOC what to do – but you’re piling on me instead for pushing back on it.
But when you freely volunteer someone else’s safety
Fuck off and quit lying about what I said.
Add to this the fact that AOC is female, and how many men believe women are disposable and even interchangeable, and that just adds a whole 'nother level of self-engaged fuckery to your outburst.
Now you reveal your own dishonesty and bad faith, pulling implications of sexism out of thin fucking air. You should be ashamed of yourself. Apologize. Now.
Yeah, that’s why I quoted you in full.
I don’t have a problem with remembering what you wrote. You do.
pulling implications of sexism out of thin fucking air.
Read it again carefully . . . but thank you for confirming the accuracy. Not everyone who genuinely supports the rights of women is a woman, lol.
You should be ashamed of yourself. Apologize. Now.
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Yeah, that’s why I quoted you in full.
I don’t have a problem with remembering what you wrote. You do.
First of all, no you fucking didn’t. You quoted my second comment, but not the first (let alone the context I was replying to). Quit lying.
Second, exactly where the fuck in…
Yes, I know what you meant. But the reality is, defeating fascism is not a safe thing to do. If we all stick with the mentality of being safe, we will lose our rights forever.
…did I demand or “volunteer” anything from AOC? Point it out!
Oh that’s right, you can’t because I said no such thing and you fucking know it.
Read it again carefully . . . but thank you for confirming the accuracy.
You should read it again, because you didn’t confirm a goddamn thing.
Not everyone who genuinely supports the rights of women is a woman, lol.
No shit, Sherlock – literally nobody here but you ever implied otherwise. Maybe you’re the sexist who just made that major discovery for yourself, LOL!
Bottom line is, you have some real “lack of reading comprehension” and “making bad-faith baseless accusation” problems.
You’re getting downvoted because you’re uneducated.
Okay then, educate me. Tell me exactly which part of what I wrote wasn’t correct. Be specific, please – after all, “I’m uneducated.”
Arresting AOC would be the biggest mistake the MAGA Nazis could make. It would virtually guarantee that she will be the leader in post-MAGA America.
Post-MAGA America is what they’re trying to prevent through their fascist attacks on the rule of law and the judiciary.
Every day I’m more convinced that those of us on the left needs to stock up before they start adding registered Democrats to the NICS database to keep us from buying weapons.
But it is absolutely the kind of mistake they would make.
Finally, a brave Amarican standing up
I love her gumption, but I really fear she’s underestimating her opposition. They’ve already shown they care nothing about the rule of law, so counting on that to “protect” you is a losing bet in the long term.
I’m sure AOC knows what she is up against, and she still chooses to speak out because she is brave and these things need to be said.
It’s terrible, but what we need is the final layer of the mask to come of ASAP. Right now the US population is a slowly-boiling frog, and to get regular people to act we may need the heat to get turned up to 11.
Well, she can either cower in fear and comply in advance, or fight to the limits of what she can do. They are coming for her either way.
I think she is what the Democrats should be. She is doing her job. TBH electing her president would restore a lot of the public image Trump lost the US.
They are coming for her either way.
This is the most important lesson for everyone. There is no safety in complacency. There is no peace after appeasement.
You fight today, or you die tomorrow. They might not come for you first, but they will come for you. By the time they do, who will be left to speak out?
This is absolutely the lesson we all need to learn. It is always true, in history, life, and art with such ghouls:
That doesn’t mean we can’t delay him. And his name is Voldemort, Filius. You might as well use it, he’s going to try and kill you either way. -Prof McGonagall
We need politicians to push back on the fascists. If they go after AOC too aggressively it will make her a martyr to the cause and give the rest of us someone to aspire to.
If the limp Democratic opposition continues to do nothing, and we will all feel abandoned to the Red-hats, it only gives trump more power.
If the limp Democratic opposition continues to do nothing, and we will all feel abandoned to the Red-hats, it only gives trump more power.
Don’t threaten them with a good time.
electing her president would restore a lot of the public image Trump lost the US.
i think this is not true… a large portion of what the US has in reputation was stability: trump as proved that the systems in place on the US can be bent and abused in ways nobody thought possible… the only way to fix that is systemic change
4 years of AOC won’t change that the same thing can happen again at the end of her term
I’m not saying it would restore all of it, or even most of it, but being a country that can also elect an AOC would restore hope that the US is not beyond redemption.
I think she’s doing what’s right and good, and there’s not a lot of that going around right now. I stand for and with her. Bring it if they want to mess with her.
No.
She understands the risks, and she’s willing to die and be a martyr if that’s what’s necessary.
We shouldn’t be talking like this regardless. Don’t normalize any ideas they might have. If you make what’s next expected, they’re more likely to do it and more likely to get away with it.
You didn’t read the article. Paraphrasing but:
“Use it or lose it. We’re gonna use it”
I think the point is to expect blood to be spilled, and to prepare for when that happens. That means giving AOC bodyguards, access to a friendly National Guard, food testers, ect. Trump will try to kill her, we should use all measures to safeguard AOC’s life. Acknowledging the reality of her possible death is the first step to preventing that.
Acknowledging the reality
Doesn’t need to be done on public social media.
Look at social media today. It’s ok for nazi salutin’ Musk? But not for fighting back?
Grow the fuck up, yo.
Why not exactly?
I like AOC, but I feel you may be overestimating her political will.
Really? Her actions show the opposite of that.
What makes you say that?
I love her gumption, but I really fear she’s underestimating her opposition. They’ve already shown they care nothing about the rule of law, so counting on that to “protect” you is a losing bet in the long term.
I love how difficult it is to determine which party is her opposition.
Homan is a Pakled.
y’all gonna have to give me a ‘blunt free speech reminder’ after I go non-verbal when I finish smoking that shit.
She should pull her shirt up to cover her head, hold her arms out like a cactus, and say “Are you threatening me?”
Edit: Since there seem to be many of you who are missing the reference.
I think people think you’re trivializing her opposition, but honestly, derisive comedy is one of the only ways to truly undermine fascism. Fearing them may be wise after they are established, but it does only make them stronger.
Also, anyone not watching the new Beavis & Butthead series is missing out, it’s really good.
I am the great Cornholio!
(I got it, even if goobers thought you were insinuating she she flash her chest.)
When I saw all the downvotes, I suddenly realized that Beavis and Butthead are “for old people” now.
I mean, inappropriate comments are ever-present when this politician has the spotlight, from the very beginning of her career. On first read I thought this was just another, and someone’s opinion re: AOC tells you a lot about them as a person. The mass downvotes on comments in this thread are a clue, for example. Some people have a curiously strong urge to put her in “her place.”
Homan, when asked about Evers’ guidance outside the White House on Thursday, answered, “Wait ’til you see what’s coming.”
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I with you OP. This is the right way and the right attitude.
It’s gonna be GreenE, MTG vs AOC in ‘28
(Assuming there will be an election)
Edit: GreenE
Greens are in bed with Putin, same as the GOP. They never attempt any campaign that can have a positive impact. They’re not leftists or worth support from anyone who is remotely left of center.
Sorry, GreenE. Marjorie Taylor Greene
MTG v AOC
Oh my. That makes more sense in an awful way.
Here’s another free speech reminder:
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/04/09/anti-war-activist-police-aoc-video/She’s a Zionist. US needs a better opposition leader, it’s not her.
Fuck off person who led to trump
Oh? This you? Portuguese twat who’s never been to the US thinks AOC is a Zionist?
MF sit the fuck back down and learn how to operate a power grid.
She’s been seen many times supporting Israel.
You’re lack education and manners.
Don’t you belong with your god over on truth social? How did you get here?
Lol aoc is too good for americans, shes a smart person who actually worked to get where she is. No wonder those idiots dont like her
Wait how is she a Zionist??
well unfortunately @o_arguido@lemmy.world is the sole world authority on who is or is not a zionist so unfortunately if o_arguido said she’s a zionist then well nobody can countermand the zion-lord sorrryyy
Ahh got it. I won’t ever question @o_arguido@lemmy.world
And here we see a sighting of one nature’s truly disgusting creatures.
The internet troll.
I am so sick of people basing their entire political opinion on what happens in the middle east. News Flash: Many people dont understand what is even happenning. Most of us don’t care.
A politician being fine with bombing civilians somewhere simply means that they are fine with bombing civilians.
And I cannot say that I’m surprised by an American not caring about the rest of the world.
That’s why most of the world despise Americans. Keep it up. Fucking murderers. It’s your bombs you fucking idiot
You’re a moron. Lemme needs better users, it’s not you.
Oh, I offended their gf.
What the hell are you on about? Zionist? Use English. Ain’t no one knows what the fuck that means unless you are some neck bearded troll.
I speak 4 languages. That comment is so fucking American.
And? We are talking about American politics and some dumb narrative that she has anything to do with some thousand year conflict. As much as I appreciate other parts of the world and their issues we have our own. A big one is parrot like morons smearing anyone with stupid catch phrases rather than having any clue what’s behind it. You are serving no one calling me out for calling them out.
