The dems attracting consistent support would begin the lamentably slow process of digging out of the current situation. It should’ve started 20 or more years ago, but now is still better than never.

And we have to support them no matter what they do until they think about it in a decade or two and decide not to,

Never do anything that might harm a corporation. Got it loud and clear.

I never said your experience was invalid.

Sure you didn’t. Just that mine’s not worth anything and those of people whose opinions match your own are valid.

I’m sorry but whoever trained you in rhetoric missed the mark completely. I’d ask for a refund, assuming you paid for it.

I’m sorry centrists think “gaslighting” and “debate” are synonyms.

Any messes you make should not be gross or hazardous. And you don’t have to act entitled while wasting their time. You can be polite, apologetic even if it doesn’t tip your hand. They already have existing karens.

Otherwise, yeah, that’s basically the gist.

My example was a different retailer, but:

Asking a ton of questions, offering to sign up for things like store credit cards and then backing out at the last second or filling in the form in such a way that it won’t go through. Financing a large tire purchase and backing out at the last minute. Leaving a cart full of frozen food in a low traffic area far away from the freezers on a busy day. Putting items randomly where they don’t go. “Not understanding” how the self-checkout works, buying cigarettes and being shit at describing what pack you want. Getting to the checkout with a cart full of frozen food and realizing you “left your wallet at home.” Splitting your bill over more than one method of payment for a single object, with the last method of payment being a gift card you know will decline. Getting to the checkout and halfway rung up, being like “oh, I forgot something I’ll just be a moment” and then leaving through the garden center. Trying to pay with any coupon but one you know will work, not being aggro about it or anything, just bumbling through politely, apologizing constantly and looking embarrassed. Only purchasing things you know are loss leaders. The idea is to act like the sort of customer who already wastes their time so you don’t let on that you’re doing it on purpose to get at their employers, and so if they crack down on the behavior they alienate the boomers who act like that as a matter of course, only the boomers are way more rude.

And tipping generously and leaving glowing reviews for the employees and scathing reviews for management for overworking their employees. Under different names for each so management can’t retaliate. And never ever do something that might negatively impact a frontline employee without also harming the company’s bottom line, either directly or as opportunity cost. And absolutely never do this to a union shop.

Naturally, there’s a different bespoke list for every type of retailer and every retailer in particular. And it must be done one chain at a time. You want the company to sweat in the face of competition that doesn’t have you as a problem. You want them to get a reputation as the place with super long lines that’s poorly organized and full of people who waste everyone’s time. You want to turn them into what kmart was in the early 2000’s, so that they can become what kmart is today.

EDIT: Also waste the time of other shoppers. Stand in front of high-traffic items with your cart parked so that it takes your half of the aisle from out of the middle while “making up your mind”. Seasonal items are great for this if you time it right.

Another edit: And this absolutely must be organized, so that this happens with an entire movement of people against one chain.

Everyone has decades of experience with human behavior. Yours is no more valuable than anyone else’s, so it’s not a valid support of your argument.

There is no argument that supports any criticism of democrats as far as you’re concerned.

Your opinion is easy because it’s simple and convenient.

Sometimes, things are simple.

For people facing harder realities, their opinions will vary, and that’s ok.

“If you have a different opinion from my unconditional worship of the democratic party, it’s because you have it easy, not because your experience is valid.”

who threatened you with death for wasting an employee’s time?

Another user here on lemmy. Made up a whole crazy power fantasy story about getting away with killing me.

And it was for the suggestion, not for actually doing it. It needs to be organized to be effective.

It’s a conclusion I’ve drawn from decades of behavior. No, it’s not even remotely easy because the people who would crawl over used heroin needles to drink the bilge water from manchin’s houseboat keep gaslighting and employing other methods of abuse against those who disagree with them from the left. There is no one who disagrees with them to the right.

From a functional standpoint, there is no democratic party.

Because we’ve cleared the extremely low bar of being better than them.

I don’t think a boycott is sufficient. We need to gum up the works. We need to enshittify as customers.

We need to waste employee time so they can’t do things that are profitable for the company.

I’ve received death threats for saying this.

DINO

At this point, is it really “in name only” to just cave and give republicans whatever they want? It seems to be the most Democratic Party thing to do.

I think raising attention to this issue is the only thing Democrats could hope to accomplish.

They certainly raised attention to how utterly worthless they have always been and always will be.

They’re saying that the fact that they folded makes all the harm of the last 40 days meaningless.

Oh come on! It wasn’t meaningless! It was a cynical con to get votes that they abandoned as soon as the election was over!

My guess is that they were only pretending to have spines until the polls closed.

I would say it’s more surprising that

Any Dems caved at this point before at least seeing how the showdown between Trump and the courts would play out.

Dems caving isn’t surprising in the slightest. Infuriating, sure, but absolutely never surprising.

It’s why I’m so disgusted about the one thing they didn’t cave on.

It’s “oops all manchins” as far as I’m concerned,

At least we got nothing out of it.

Oh cool. Democrats betrayed the poor and the nation’s air travel infrastructure is still capsizing.

You don’t even know what a death threat is

You seem to be under the impression that you can make threats with impunity based on some sovcit hogwash.

Again, all you have are abuse and threats and slurs. The great bit is that if last time is anything to go on, the mods will remove my comments for your abysmal behavior.

You were the one advocating for some level of violence

Says the guy making death threats.