• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    12 days ago

    They’re “hard issues” because we don’t have a centrally planned economy, we have to rely on the market to provide solutions.

    Through a combination of marshaling the forces of production to build a renewable infrastructure and strict fossil fuel rationing during the build-up phase I think we could get the crisis under control within 5 years.

    … I’ll admit that’s just vibes, though.

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      They’re “hard issues” because we don’t have a centrally planned economy, we have to rely on the market to provide solutions

      As humans are very bad a predicting the future, centrally planned economies come with so many added problems that market based solutions are frequently more realistic.

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        12 days ago

        This is a strawman. Centrally planned does not mean immutable, and markets are no more able to predict the future than anyone else. What it does allow is the disregard of the only quantity markets are capable of maximizing, profit.

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        12 days ago

        Every corporation is centrally planned.

        I recommend reading The People’s Republic of Walmart. Businesses have figured out central planning, there’s no reason it can’t be done for nations.

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          Corporations are run very differently from countries.

          What happens when you don’t like the product that the state is offering?

          What about independent artists and creators?

          Figuring out what things people will like is next to impossible.

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            11 days ago

            What happens when you don’t like the product that the state is offering?

            Petition the central planners to offer something else. Central planning can still be democratic.

            What about independent artists and creators?

            Well without the need to sell their art they could create whatever they want without fear of it being unmarketable. An artist could just create without needing to sell it to anyone.

            Figuring out what things people will like is next to impossible.

            Businesses do this all the time! They do market research to find out what people want, they monitor current events and customer demands and social media. There’s no reason a central planner can’t do the same.

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              1. Not going to work unless the government has somehow unlimited resources. Otherwise why would they spend money and resources on something they don’t know how popular would it be?

              2. What reward do those independent creators receive in exchange of doing their art? Do they just work for free?

              3. And sometimes they succeed and other times they don’t. In a planned economy you’d essentially be stuck with whatever the government monopoly has decided to manufacture and you won’t have any other choice.

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                Not going to work unless the government has somehow unlimited resources. Otherwise why would they spend money and resources on something they don’t know how popular would it be?

                Why wouldn’t they know how popular it would be? They can see popular demand and social media and trends, the same as any privately owned company does when they do market research.

                They can still do test products to see if new products are popular too, just like private companies do today.

                What reward do those independent creators receive in exchange of doing their art? Do they just work for free?

                Do you think people only create art when they can get paid for it? It’s the exact opposite! Without the need to be paid, they can make whatever art they want. Creating art is its own reward, they can still express themselves and share it with the public.

                And sometimes they succeed and other times they don’t. In a planned economy you’d essentially be stuck with whatever the government monopoly has decided to manufacture and you won’t have any other choice.

                That’s only the case if the central planners need to ration. Surely you can imagine a planned economy that offers choices.

                It’s not like everyone needs to wear burlap and drinks Soylent.

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                  1. Because historically this has been ineffective. Nobody knew Harry Potter or hunger games would become so popular. Nobody could have predicted Godzilla movies would make such a comeback. That’s why you need more than one creator or entity to produce such things

                  2. In their own personal projects of course. But if you want a musician to do music for your project or you want to use an artist for something, they’ll inevitably ask for something in exchange.

                  3. How would they decide what gets produced and what doesn’t? Which clothing brands get funding and which ones don’t? Which authors receive money for their books and which ones don’t? Which YouTubers and streamers? Inevitably you’ll have a shortage of products because trends change easily and it’ll take time for the central government to adapt.