I understand greentexts are misogynistic by nature, but wtf is wrong with this entire fucking website that this shit is what pops up first. The entire “joke” hinges on the idea that that woman’s entire worth is tied into being pretty. This is not even casual sexism, that’s ranked competitive sexism.
Also going by the comments some advanced morons here seem to unironically think that is actually how it works. Per twitch’s own leaked financials pokimane did not make more money than her male counterparts (who no-one ever accused of abusing their pretty privilege). But she’s a woman so of course her merit has to be scrutinized and her success has to be attributed to men. I suppose the idea that she has a large female audience has never even crossed the minds of the quadruple-chinned gremlins who upvote this garbage.
The entire “joke” hinges on the idea that that woman’s entire worth is tied into being pretty.
Uhh no, the joke is that a lot of men see women as objects and will watch her streams solely on the fact that she is a woman that they desire to bang. But yea, no matter what lens you look at it, it’s patriarchy all the way down. I think watching and developing parasocial relationships with streamers, male or female, is pretty fuckin weird anyway.
I think you’re missing some cultural context where 80% of twitch streams by women are just softcore porn. It became much more diverse and acceptable now but soft sex workers were huge on Twitch without even doing much of actual sex work.
I mean yeah but pokimane isn’t one. Also I’d really hesitate to go anywhere near as high as 80%
Lot of para social interaction in those twitch chats. You can see how easy it would he to go from “I’m watching this because I fancy the streamer” to something unhealthy.
Humanity on the balance seems to like to act shocked and even disgusted when anything like this and countless other similar scenarios occur. Often they ask why but they know why. Procreation. So much of our behaviour has undertones of procreation whether we acknowledge this or not. I find those who acknowledge deal with the less ethical parts of procreation much better than those constantly in denial.
Testosterone is a hell of a drug
so is estrogen
Both should be available in vending machines :3
Wait, are you implying that I’m sexually attracted to Josh from Let’s game it out!?
Who wouldn’t be?
Ugh have you seen what he can do with some wood?! Swoon
I’m sure horniness is a factor, but there is also the aesthetic allure of the adorable. Like I can look at cat pics for hours. Doesn’t mean cats make me hot.
but there is also the aesthetic allure of the adorable
yep
i think it’s like this:
men walk around aimlessly until they find something they like (woman). that calms them down and they stop wandering around. that’s the “appeal of the adorable” or sth.
Sexual attraction and frustration, sure. Also loneliness, loss of community, loss of purpose, loss of meaning.
Maybe not every guy who watches her is like that, but some definitely are. I would especially be concerned for those who watch her consistently and donate large amounts of money to her. But I feel the same way about anyone who watches a lot of streamers and donates a lot of money (relative to their own income of course).
Parasocial relationships are a deeply concerning development.
Parasocial relationships are a deeply concerning development.
I agree. I’m not sure how anyone who has a healthy sense of self-respect can develop this sort of relationship, tbh. Even wading into the sometimes toxic peergroup of fandoms is better, because at least you’re communicating back and forth rather than just imbibing this quasi-social runoff that’s not even directed towards you as a person.
Isn’t that Pokimane? She’s ranked in League. Cute women can do great things. If you sexualize it maybe you’re a creep. Go watch her play.
I loved watching her play Among Us because she was so damn good at it.
What does ‘ranked’ mean? Doesn’t basically every player have a rank?
Not really, you can play league entirely unranked though the matchmaking will still try to put you in similar skill matches. So you will get an ELO/MMR but that’s not a rank anyone sees.
Ranked, meaning above a certain rank making you one of the top tier players.
You can be ranked as a bronze sure. But no one goes around saying I’m ranked bronze. Means you’re trash.
According to Google she’s Emerald+ (I have no idea what this means as I never played LoL. She apparently reached immortal status which makes her the top 0.5% of players.
Emerald+ is somewhere around the 93rd percentile. So she’s definitely good, (better than over 90% of players), but not as good as the true Diamond/master/grandmaster players.
A lot of those grandmaster-level players don’t even have their face on stream; They’ll just silently stream with a camera on their keyboard, because the people watching them want to see their inputs just as much as they want to see the the match. When it comes to streaming, there’s a golden triangle of “Looks”, “Charisma” and “Skill”. In order to be a good streamer, you need at least two. But those grandmaster players are so insanely skilled that they’re able to ignore the other two completely.
And non-cute women can do great things. Watch people play who entertain you, and if they’re attractive, that’s cool too.
I mean, have you ever had your penis in a vagina?
Wait you can do that?
You can’t, but others can.
How much money you got?
(I don’t have a vagina but money is money)
Gross, no.
With the exception of some c-section babies, every penis has been in a vagina, even if only in passing. It’s the “but I didn’t inhale” of peepee in the vajee.
Uh… no?
Have you?
A few times, yeah.
Besides your own?
I’ve no difficulty understanding lads being thirsty and attracted by a lovely lady who appears to be into gaming and hey, you can even interact and try to get her attention!
Now, explain to me lads getting super invested in some lads running around a field chasing a ball. Like, literally having their lives revolve around it, their identity entirely centered on it. Now that’s a complete mystery to me.
As someone who was born into the ball chasing cult, there are three things:
- The social aspect. It’s the one thing that brings my family together, each week, to watch the game. For away games, you have a cookout with some family friends, buy some drinks and then you watch the game. If it’s in the evening, then you go out afterwards. For home games, you gather the same group, but now you’re gonna meet more people in the arena, people you know because they’re also in the cult. You have a drink, you have a laugh and you catch up with them. Our team is a second division side with some okay players and a great goalie, so the game is almost relegated (heh) to play second fiddle.
Oh and don’t get me started on the choreos.
- Hometown pride: This team has been here since the 19th century and for me, going to the games or even having just a passing interest in the team is part of being from that town.
You tag lamp posts in your town with their stickers and you do the same in the surrounding smaller cities. By looking at the stickers in any given town, you can see to which city their youth gravitates, which tickles my brain in ways I can’t explain.
- It’s fun to watch: Arguably the weakest reason, but God damn, sometimes even second division footy just looks so good! When you see someone pull off a sick trick or make a clean tackle or catch, you get that sweet dopamine kick, it’s insane.
I’d never beat someone because of their allegiance. Those people can kick rocks.
ball chasing cult
lol yeah :D
Hometown pride
Do you also refer to your city’s sport team using “we”, “us”, and “our”? I’ve always found that weird, because while I’m a fan, I don’t consider myself being a part of what the team accomplishes. I’m just a spectator. I just refer to them as the team name.
Not the person you replied to but yes I do. I used to think it’s weird but there’s a few things that made me change that feeling.
One, I’ve been at games decided by fans. Players said they couldn’t hear anything on the pitch. Home sides shat their pants during warm up. I wasn’t on the pitch and didn’t touch a ball but I was part of one of the reasons we went home happy.
Two, and more importantly: when I think of the club I don’t think of the players and the managers. I think of my friends, I think of the crowd in the stands. My team has a crazy successful time right now (Football fans will surely be able to guess by now) but it wasn’t much different when we were playing 2nd division. Players leave all the time—currently my team has like one player who was part of the team for the whole successful run—but the club isn’t defined by the players, but by the people in that stands. They don’t change. And while football is certainly an enjoyable sport to watch, I wouldn’t care about it half as much without the fan culture surrounding it. Over the years I’ve become part of that as well, so fuck yes I say “we”.
I am with you: I’ve been there when we played in the 4th division, outside of professional football and within my lifetime, we made it back into the top flight, with one player scoring in each division on the way. He was the first German player to do that, and while I know of another German who got there 2 years later, I don’t know if this happened anywhere else.
Now I’m curious. It sounds like SVD?
Nope, I’ll give you another hint: we had the most chaotic promotion match in the history of the Bundesliga
I have pretty deep roots within the city, and I could not imagine not rooting for my team (within limits, I wouldn’t tolerate bigotry, but as of now, they behaved pretty good on that front), so yeah, I use “wir” and “uns” :)
Fair-play to you for a thoughtful answer. Much appreciated and it certainly matches my personal experience.
As I said somewhere else : seeing my mates being all up in arms about ManU when they live in fecking Donegal was always funny to me, but I totally see the social aspect.
So much banter at the pub! If there is a thing the Irish love, it’s a good banter.Shame about the assholes who use it as an excuse to get into fights. Fecking idiots the lot of them.
Thanks for the kind words, I really have to take every excuse to practice writing in English ^^
Yeah, I definitely forgot about the banter and storylines.
I think what contributes the most to the sports ball hype is that a lot of people play sports ball themselves. And just like gamers watching streams of people playing the games they want to play or are playing, ball cultists wanna see guys do the shit they do on some backwater pitch. You know, for the “damn, I know that’s difficult” or the “I could do it better” - factor.
Man, the “damn, I know that’s difficult” is strong in every sport. I can appreciate a sport so much more if I did it myself, even just a few months. Fencing? No idea, people waving some sticks around.
Soccerfootball? Sick volley shot, man, I saw a mate to the same thing back in 2006…Yeah, I think it’s also “I saw like 10 of my mates shit the bed trying to do that”.
Thanks for avoiding the s-word btw ^^
I appreciate the summary and I think i get why people like sports ball… but I really enjoy having a sports ball free space to talk about how absurd it is the way our society obsesses over it. on the internet, you’re the weirdo, not me!
It’s weird to be both somewhat of a nerd and a sports ball person since birth, so I get your comment :)
Practicing masculinity, delighting in skilled human action, and bonding with peers.
Not my thing, but I get it.
I actually understood sports fandom for the first time because of watching streamers play video games. I was like ooooohhh, this is a very challenging skill, and I’m watching someone do it very very well, and I’m fucking hyped and I want to see more.
I never in my life had that for basketball or anything. But it made sense when I saw it for video games.
Most of the time it’s the social aspect that is infectious. It gives you something in common with other fans that would otherwise be strangers to you
I never understood sports fans until walking around Key West with my Navy buddy who wore a hat for the Browns. Random dudes kept cracking jokes at and/or with him the whole day. Still ain’t enough to get me into the cult, but I get the appeal now.
As a dude who’s sometimes socially awkward and struggles to connect with men, becoming invested in football seemed like a serious cheat code to me tbh. Sit with random strangers at a bar? They’re wearing something that makes their club affiliation obvious, or they spot yours? You’re there talking how is the season going, is their keeper recovered, when will your striker score again? And maybe throw some well-meant insults while saying cheers.
As a guy who is socially awkward with other men, the longer I’m around them, the more difficult it is for me to conceal how very different I am from them.
Sometimes I think I should spend a few minutes each day reading the sports headlines, just so I know what’s going on enough to banter with people about the latest goings-on.
But, ain’t got time or energy for all that.
Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
What was Wenger thinking, sending Walcott on that early?
Thing about Arsenal, they always try and walk it in.
Aye, like wearing a cool metal shirt and getting the horns from a complete stranger. We do like our tribe(s), don’t we?
As long as we get to pick our tribes, realize that it is all good-spirited tribalism and banter, and are able to tolerate if people pick a different tribe, I’m cool with it. Hell yeah, brother 🤘
Each to their own pal. I’m sure there are things you do that others find a mystery.
Hey, no hate on people loving sports!
My point was it’s super clear why a teenager wants to thirst on a pretty woman playing vidya.
Now, my irish mates all having their club and being all very serious about it, when they’ll curse the English in the same sentence has always been hilarious to me.
And I’m talking people from fecking Donegal, who lived through the Troubles and shit. Never understood that one.Why?
Their mad at the English government, not the English people. An English football club is entirely separate from the English government.
Good point, cheers!
It’s cool.
I’ve never really understood it either to be honest. I’ve gravitated to solo sports and more admiration at the ability than the winning per se.
I’m from Manchester, UK, so been around a lot of Irish people. Had a lovely time in Port-Stewert once. (Port-Stewart?) At the same time I’ve put countless hours into Minecraft, Factorio, Running, or climbing and people wonder why.
That is a magnificently executed thought-terminating cliché, but if I may offer a rebuttal: nuh-uh!
its like joining a cult, you swap your weaker identity with the stronger cult identity
Expanding on the penis in vagina theme for a minute…
Now that’s a bit of a stretch
Holy fuck I wish lemmy gold was a thing i could give you. Sport fans always seemed like cultists to me.
I have no sexual attraction to the many gamers I watch stream. I love John Wolfe and his gaming is just so entertaining. I will listen in the background and watch off and on. I get to experience games I have no time or energy to play still engage in the storylines and also have some background noise. It’s a win win win. It’s not always about bewbs.
So u never wanted to have Zero Master’s Doom babies?
Somebody wanted Decino’s sprog. Pumpkin Junior even got to play on stream this year.
Lots of kids played Doom II at far too early an age, but seven months is pushing it.
Shrieking into the void is my favourite pastime, I don’t even watch the stream, I pause it and concentrate on the chat. I’ve never once been tagged or responded to after thousands of messages, and have macro keybinds for every emote available so I can post :Kappa: and :Omegalul: as fast as possible.
Well I see you at least.
I’ve been watching streamers who I don’t want to fuck and who don’t really play that well, either. A lot of the time, I’m kinda too lazy to play games myself, and watching streams is a much more passive activity (if you don’t participate in the chat etc.).
I only watch top tier players so I can get better at whatever the game is. I’d rather be playing, but my obligations are such that I can watch (say, while doing laundry or dishes) when I can’t play. I find it makes my play sessions more effective since I have strategies to succeed where I’d otherwise fail.
That said, I’m pretty sure I’m in the minority given that many of the chats I see on streams are like “what did I miss?” or “has streamer done X yet?” like they’re watching a drama. I don’t understand that aspect of streaming, yet comments like yours show that I’m likely in the minority.
I think that’s really interesting and turns gaming from a hobby to a social endeavor.
I’m… Too lazy to play games? Bruh what
Actively playing games requires concentration, thinking, planning, quick reaction etc. and many games include long stretches that test your tolerance for frustration. Meanwhile, game streams can be a completely passive activity that add an illusion of company and let you stuff your face with snacks.
add an illusion of company
Now this part I personally dislike; if it feels like but is not actually building my social connectivity, then I think that’s better to avoid, emotionally speaking. I try to scratch that itch by watching friends personally stream titles, or by being the streamer for private circles of mostly/only people I know IRL. We also play a lot on Board Game Arena.
Well, my friends don’t stream and I sleep at weird hours. I don’t have a ton of good alternatives, and it’s not like I’m participating in chat or donating lots of money.
Gotcha, that’s a tricky situation.
The aback I was taken had nothing to do with your comment, but the fact that I am absolutely certain I know what shape you are. Wild.
Probably not true, though.
Skill-driven games require major dedication. Why would @rumschlumpel@feddit.org care to suffer through Silksong, not knowing what to do or where to go, getting frustrated by having to memorize enemy moves, etc. when there are experts out there who have already discovered everything and the most efficient takedown methods (or other amateurs who don’t find it as painful to explore so)? I see nothing wrong with this.
I used to be a huge gamer but frankly I find tinkering with Syncthing and Espanso perhaps even more fun than playing tough games, and watching NC (no-commentary) playthroughs by people who have already tested everything, etc.
This comment is so funny to me. I watch game streams primarily because I don’t have time to play most games, but Silksong is the one game in the last year that I was excited enough about to play through myself.
Yup, watched a bunch of games I’d never play myself. Especially grindy games. Watching a stream/video is also much less of a commitment, I hate leaving games unfinished.
For me it’s when I’m too fucking tired from work to even think that well, but it’s still to early for bed so I just zone out.
I mean depending on the game the stuff does take energy. I’ve been malding Silksong these past few days for example and it’s definitely not for the faint (or lazy) of heart.
Is that person even human ?
I watch the movie edited versions of dayz streams on YouTube while I’m working.
Meaning a dude who plays dayz records his streams, edits it into a “movie” and posts it to YouTube.
I don’t play dayz… never have. But it’s nice to have some noise a narrative and easily consumable content in the background while I’m working.
Maybe they’ll learn about porn one day
Unless they’re 15 in Texas and don’t understand VPNs or proxies.
True but I navigated an internet with child locks out the ass when I was a kid and still could find lots of porn
For the best. Stay in school, cowboy.
Poki definitely has fans like that, but she has plenty of other fans too. You dont get to be that popular if all you have is looks
Have you ever been on pornhub?
You think porn is just looks?
Not for the men.
I used to somewhat regularly watch streams before going to sleep. I’d just have the computer set to shutdown at a given time and just be in bed, watching, listening. Even crafted me own script, to activate the shutdown popup and slowly lower the volume. Better than the computer suddenly shutting down, and allowed me to easily cancel shutdown if I wanted. Once the computer turned off, put my stuff to the side and go to sleep (not sure how often I’d end up on my phone instead)
That being said, I don’t have a Twitch account, never interacted. Just sometimes watched, when certain people were on, at the end of the day. Not like I was the whole day in chat or something. And lately I’ve lost the habit. Back then, I lived alone, and with a job,.had a regular routine. Plus, the computer was right ahead of my bed. Now? No more. I usually end up on my phone instead (and when that happens, it usually is not limit in time… it don’t shutdown.)
Edit: not interested in gaming, though. I’m more of a “Just Chatting”
