Still investigating cause of death, but it appears to be some sort of puncture wound in the neck region
Do you mean to say it wasn’t a random bullet?
I never would have reached that conclusion on my own, thank you FBI, you are truly the world’s greatest detectives. Thinking outside the box!
I feel like there are parts of the country where it does need to be clarified. Utah may be one of them. 😉
His neck actually just did that by itself
Now Trump is going to send the army to guard the streets of buttfuck nowhere Utah from all this violence, right? Right?
Oh don’t worry, they’ll institute police checkpoints everywhere across the country for “safety” and “national security”. Worked great for Ireland!
Everyone knows the shooter was from Chicago, so this still counts as Chicago crime
/s
I don’t think he was shot, I think his neck just did that
A truck backfired at the same time.
The bullshit could no longer be contained.
"Grunthos was reported to have been “disappointed” by the poem’s reception, and was about to embark on a reading of his 12-book epic entitled “My Favourite Bathtime Gurgles” when his own major intestine, in a desperate attempt to save humanity, leapt straight up through his neck and throttled his brain. " --Douglas Adams HHGTTG
Can we stark calling the shooter Mario? I wish he had a better escape plan like a janitor outfit and beard
No, that was random gang violence. Charly tried to sell crack on the wrong turf.
Next up: FBI confirms a firearm was used in the shooting.
BREAKING: FBI Increasingly Suspects Murder As Cause of Death in Kirk Shooting
Ongoing: FBI suspect that political landscape might be toxic
Tinfoil hat time: Based on the close up of the shooting, it looks like he got shot right in the corrotid artery, which has a very high mortality rating. This wasn’t a lucky shot, this was well aimed. If you look at the tape, it doesn’t look like someone in the crowd had a gun, no one in the crowd was reacting before the shot occurred, and no one saw a gun pulled. In the crowd full of people, how to you avoid everyone else and make a kill shot like that? I legit believe this was a shot taken from far away and the person that took the shot had the ability to make a sniper shot like that, (some form of police/military training.) Then, before he’s been officially pronounced dead, Trump posts “The Great, and even Legendary, Charlie Kirk, is dead. No one understood or had the Heart of the Youth in the United States of America better than Charlie. He was loved and admired by ALL, especially me, and now, he is no longer with us. Melania and my Sympathies go out to his beautiful wife Erika, and family. Charlie, we love you!” Trump wrote on his social media platform. If he hadn’t officially been declared dead, why was Trump saying that Charlie Kirk was dead before it was official. Next Trump is blaming the left with no proof. I’m calling it, Trump had Kirk assassinated as a false flag operation, and this will be trump’s reischtag fire. Buckle up. Edit: NYT is saying the shot came from a roof via a high power bolt action rifle, because the gun was found in the woods near the campus. Authorities also claim to have video footage of the suspect going to the roof of a campus building.
Based on the close up of the shooting, it looks like he got shot right in the corrotid artery,
There are two carotid arteries. Based on the footage, it looks to me like only his left carotid artery got hit. It would make sense because bullets make a way bigger hole when exiting than they do when entering.
I don’t think anyone, no matter how skilled they are, would be aiming to do that. It’s way more likely to be a failed headshot or shot to the torso.There is video of a person dressed in black skedaddling back over the rooftop, clearly the shooter. No sane shooter is aiming for the neck, hell no. Pretty sure it was a chest shot that tumbled around his ribcage and exited his neck. Weird shit happens when a teeny projectile hits meat and bone at 3,400FPS.
You don’t think that maybe trump just doesn’t wait for a news article to be posted? Maybe he got a call and since he’s incessantly posting tweets he did it before an editor could approve the news article change? There’s a lot more simple explanations.
Yes, this is also highly likely, which is why I started my post with “tin foil hat time.” Even if that’s the case, even if the govt had 0 involvement in his death, I still think this incident will be used as a means for trump to further solidify power.
The shooting spot was about 250 yards away. That’s WWII sniping range, but not particularly far for modern precision rifles. According to Ryan Cleckner (US Army Ranger sniper), precision marksman training in the Army makes you use iron sights out to 600 yards. A good setup these days can hit a dinner plate (read: a human head) at 1000 yards, and that’s not even pushing it.
They didn’t have to hit him the neck. They just needed to hit the general head area. They got lucky hitting the artery dead on, but any head hit has a very high probability of death.
There are millions of bench rest shooters with a bolt action rifle who could make that shot.
If you have a regular 30.06 bullet with a rifle sighted in at 200 yards, it will hit around 5" lower than you aim at 250 yards depending on the gun and conditions.
If you have it sighted in at 300 yards and aim for center mass (heart) the bullet will hit around 5" above where they are aiming.
In both conditions the bullet hits the neck area.
Also, I don’t know if people train for downward sloped shots. He may have over/under corrected.
Not usually in my experience. Almost all target shooting is on relatively flat ranges. Especially not for ranges that short.
For those that don’t know, when firing down the slope the effect of gravity decreases the bullets velocity loss. So the bullet transverses the distance in less time and drops less over a given distance.
When firing up a slope the bullet loses velocity due to gravity. So it drops more due to the extra time it takes for the bullet to transverse the distance.
Whoever did it, at least we know (s)he had to be part of a well regulated militia
That is the nice thing about the American Way. Just call up the neighboring states’ militias and ask who didn’t show up for drills and if any weapons are missing.
Shooter was probably aiming for head and the bullet lost a few inches of altitude in the air
Shooter was also aiming down, which is not a thing one can typically practice.
false flag operation
Claims like this give both too much credit for action and too little to strategy.
- there’s no reason to believe this specific action was a false flag operation when in the current environment it’s simple to believe a radicalized individual
- isn’t that one of the benefits of the continuous hatred, outrage, divisiveness, chaos? There’s always going to be stuff like this happening, so you always have an event to capitalize on without the risk of doing it yourself
???
“America was about to come together against its true enemy?”
Every single person reading this is going to think the " true" enemy is something/someone else.
We have not been this divided as a country since we went to war with ourselves.
Which is the one group both groups politicians shill for.
Which group currently blackmails both sides of the aisle.
Which group funds politicians on both sides of the aisle to keep American taxpayers sending billion of dollars a year despite their current genocide and souring tensions with the world.
Ockham’s Razor
On the day before 9/11 of all days.
Of course he was targeted. The shooter is likely dead by now. They probably called it Operation Watch Charlie or something.
He was killed as a distraction.
What was the timing of the US Senate vote to not release the Epstein Files?
He was killed as a distraction.
Susie Wiles: “Sir, they leaked the live copy of your letter to Jeffery Epstein. It’s having absolutely no effect on your public approval and Congress seems incapable of doing anything to stall your accrual of executive level powers. What should we do?”
Trump: “I’m a great president, Susie. Some say I’m the greatest president who ever lived. That’s why I make the big decisions. And I’ve been thinking about this for a long time. We’ve got to save the nation. We need to get stronger. Some people are saying we’re not strong, but they’re wrong, Susie. This is the best this country has ever been and it’s only going to get better. Are you ready to make this country better, Susie? I don’t think you’re ready… you’re nodding. Does that mean you’re ready?”
Susie Wiles: “Yes, Mr. President. Anything for you, Mr. President.”
Trump: “Go talk to Pete Hegseth. He’ll tell you what to do.”
Pete Hegseth, drunkenly: “Susthy, ith so good to thee you again. But I lothe to wath you leaf.”
Susie Wiles: “The President said you would know what to do.”
Pete: “Yeah, uh… kill the big head guy. You know the one. With the tiny face.”
Susie: “Charlie Kirk”
Pete: loud burping noise
Susie: “Right away, Mr. War Fighter Commander Pete.”
sounds of gunfire
Susie Wiles: “Mr. President! In a strange turn of fate, it appears someone else shot Charlie Kirk before we could get to him.”
Trump: “All according to plan, Susie. I’m the smartest man who ever lived. You can thank me with a kiss. Get over here, sweetie.”
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Susie: you can grab me by the pussy. I’ll just let you do it.
Possible… but he had a lot of enemies, and there’s more and more people with literally nothing left to lose in the USA every single day, so it was probably inevitable on a long enough timescale.
Who would have thought that making millions of people’s lives actively worse in an already not great time in the most widely-armed country in the world could have POSSIBLY led to current events???
Will this be excuse to send military to Utah or is he planning something else?
He’s planning on going after all political dissenters from what he said when he addressed the nation yesterday
Yep, he’s gonna make dissent illegal and start going after people who says shit he doesn’t like all in the name of national security. Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon love this plan
The bullet was fired from Chicago.
Hey, I live in the Chicago burbs and can tell you that I was at Lou’s picking up my pizza at the same time the shooter was ordering his at the counter, so it couldn’t have been him.
Trump sending the military to Orem would be really friggin weird. Unless he’s sending a brigade of recruiters.
I swear you people would watch World War III kick off, vomiting your own digestive system out from acute radiation sickness, and still be saying “This is just a distraction from Epstein!”
More than one thing can happen on planet Earth. It doesn’t all have to tie back to Trump and Epstein.
Hey man, we’re giving him the care and consideration he gave to sandy hook
As a wise man (i.e. me) once memed:
That’s what someone who wants to distract from Epstein would say!
Things can still happen simultaneously. If a “distraction” is ruining lives then you shouldn’t be ignoring it. If Trump enacts martial law to seize the country don’t ignore it for the sake of it being a “distraction”.
The World War 3 has already has started, just many are refusing to acknowledge it. If Ukraine won’t stop Russia it will continue to the rest of the Europe. We already North Korea fighting within Europe.
Going back to trump, he is all about himself and no empathy towards others. He is willing to get Ukrainians and Palestinians killed in exchange for whatever putin and bibi are giving him. He had no problem of having two politicians assassinated to just distract from No King protests.
So yeah, I wouldn’t put past him to use him for political gain, like excuse to deploy military in Utah or some other goal he wants to achieve.
Wasn’t Kirk on the release Epstein files bandwagon anyway? That sounds like something that would let you fall out of favor.
We are no longer in the first term where there were people that would say “no” to him.
World War 3 has already has started
Wars start all the time and don’t escalate into worldwide conflicts. This is like saying “The next recession has started, just look at X!!!” It’s really easy to make a doomer take, but when the doom fails to materialize, it’s always “okay, sorry, we got the date wrong… but soon! Doooooooom!” Any sort of take like this deserves a blanket response: put up or shut up. Let’s see your bet on Polymarket.
He had no problem of having two politicians assassinated to just distract from No King protests.
Conspiracy talk. Show me the proof. Or show me your bet on Polymarket that we will eventually find evidence.
deploy military in Utah
Outside Moab and SLC (which are moderate), Utah is one of the reddest states in the union. From a despotic point of view, this makes no sense.
Wasn’t Kirk on the release Epstein files bandwagon anyway? That sounds like something that would let you fall out of favor.
Trump’s administration might be more competent now, but Trump himself certainly isn’t. If he found himself suddenly not liking Kirk, I would expect to see him trash talking on TruthSocial.
A far more likely scenario: all the recent political violence we’ve been seeing is the result of unstable individuals in a politically divisive climate with unfettered access to firearms.
yeah but where are they?
They’re in the hands of people that despise us and would never release them voluntarily, let alone prosecute with any intent on conviction and sentencing.
But maybe if people keep posting funny title cards on social media they’ll change their mind, I dunno.
I swear you people would watch World War III kick off
uuh… Oooh yeah (most, mostly right wingers) Americans always consider themselves as the only nation on this world. Yeah go ahead, do it.
TIL that I could be in the FBI. Great detective work guys.
When you realize how low the bar is, you should never have imposter syndrome again. At this point the remaining federal government is only composed of Trump loyalists.
The claims of meritocracy replacing DEI are beyond ridiculous. How many campus shooters have ever just walked away like this? This was a high profile assassination. The fact that they still have not found the guy that did this, should let you know they either let this happen or they’re now just completely incompetent. I’m leaning towards the former, but the latter is definitely a possibility.
Anybody can just be handed power and control under this administration, no matter how unqualified. That is how the right has been operating for the last 25+ years. Literally that is why people keep joining this grift. If you’re willing to pledge loyalty, take advantage of people, and help destroy your own country, you can make bank.
The people that fund the right refuse to let a penny of their money go towards taxes to pay for public services, but they will literally throw absurd amounts of money at anything that promotes their agenda. They would pay somebody to publicly set their own money on fire, if it meant that person could convince a handful of people to keep voting Republican.
The really sad thing is, there is some truth to the left (or at least the Democratic party) becoming so comfortable being cemented in established norms and institutions, that they have managed to become exclusionary and made a big chunk of the U.S. feel alienated.
Like a lot of the institutions on the left have become what the Republican party was when the new right was first forming. Everybody “new” actually has connections to somebody already established in the party. They’re usually somebody’s kid, relative, or family friend, or they attended the same Ivy League and were recruited by somebody in the establishment.
I read a really interesting article years ago that spoke about that happening on Communist China back in Mao’s time. Essentially all the folks who were competent retired/replaced by folks with connections to the party not the role. Thus corruption infiltrated.
I can’t find the article and I don’t remember the professor’s name who wrote it but I remember thinking it was odd that a Chinese professor was writing about the government and letting it be published. I think he may have gotten in trouble after the fact or something else.
Crazy times to live when you see the FBI go from Darth Vader to Dark Helmet.
Holding press conferences with the visor down … sounding loud, hollow and important … every once in a while opening the visor to show an idiot trying to clarify what they said.
Their (they 're…i am incompetent)counting on AI to do the Darth Vader shit for Darth Helmet… we’re fucked
They went right over his Helmet!
Right? Won’t be able to have a serious movie about the FBI for the next 30 years
Geniuses … guy who called for violence against people, wanted to deny people’s rights, making fun of their misery, downplaying deaths of other people, publicly mocking others in distress and making millions of dollars off it all … and doing it all on a daily basis on national platforms with a following of millions … FBI suddenly thinks that people might want to kill this person.
I think the FBI merely made an official statement and the media was starving for anything new to print.
No this wasn’t a school shooting! This was targeted. The horror!
After a day of rigorous forensics, we have concluded that Charlie Kirk’s neck didn’t just do that on its own.
clearly worse than mass shootings!
Luigi was caught in like 24 hours (edit: as pointed out, more like 5 days) with a manifesto, confession, gun, bodycam footage, and a gps tracker that proves he done it.
This guy is a ghost.
BUT THEYVE SECURED THE WOODS GUISE!
Luigi was missing for a few days, after executing a masterful getaway in the middle of the day in the largest city in the country. Then just randomly shows up at a McDonalds with everything needed to convict him packaged together in a bag. Definitely not unusual at all. Nothing to see here folks! The system works and the police are master investigators. It’s impossible to get away with a crime like this!
Luigi Mangione was not apprehended for five days. That’s a lot more than 24 hours for anyone doing the math.
I’m sick today. But even if I weren’t, I wouldn’t be doing the math.
They haven’t found the right Democrat to frame yet.
Footage was out day 1 of the guy that killed Brian Thompson
Hmmmm… think about how hard tracking a sniper would be on a university campus via surveillance cameras if they dressed to fit in. A black computer backpack from big box store combined with a university branded outfit and hat. Then walk into highly congested areas like a student union building and make a quick change into a different university branded outfit.
They could then walk to public transit with the crowd of people as the officials shut down the school.
Yes well trained people with the right software could eventually figure it out but it would take time.
The longer it takes the more chance the shooter gets away.
Honestly, it would be some pretty funny shit if he got hit by a random bullet someone shot into the air from like a mile or so.
