“Over the past 16 months, the Biden-Harris administration’s full, unobstructed support for Israel’s campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing has failed to remove the Palestinians of Gaza from their land,” Hudhayfah Ahmad, a spokesperson for the Muslim-American led Abandon Harris campaign, said in a statement to Newsweek.
“It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do; that decision belongs solely to the people of Palestine.”
What? If it’s not Trump, nor Biden, nor Harris who decides, why was only Harris punished for it?
Because woman.
“Hitler doesn’t decide whether or not Britain surrenders, that decision is up to the British people.”
“What? Then why is everyone so mad at Hitler then?”
I wasn’t trying to be flippant, I guess I saw it as “Churchill and Truman can’t decide whether Poland surrenders, that’s up to the polish people” and then for people to be mad only at Churchill.
It seemed like they were saying it’s under no one’s control outside of the Palestinians, but were still saying it was ___'s fault. Sorry that I misunderstood.
why was only Harris punished for it
Trump: “I’m doing genocide.”
Harris: “I’m also doing genocide.”
Palestinians: “I can’t vote for either of these two.”
Liberals: “Well then, I guess you deserve the genocide you get.”
Wasn’t this specifically against Harris? I get why they were against Harris, I just don’t know why they were only “Abandon Harris” instead of abandoning the whole process or what have you.
Wasn’t this specifically against Harris?
It was specifically against the current administration, which was funding and propagandizing a genocide.
I just don’t know why they were only “Abandon Harris” instead of abandoning the whole process
The turnout for Democrats plunged between 2020 and 2024. A big chunk of that came from liberal Midwesterners staying out of the election entirely because they had no candidate to support in the race.
Gotcha. Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me.
Reminder from the comedy world - punch up, not down
but they write the jokes themselves?
Faceless people complain about leopards. News at '11.
Extremely committed to being uncommitted.
The situation in Palestine is going to get worse under trump, but then things were also getting worse while under Biden too. There is no winning for Palestinians because the plan is for Israel to take over the entire area. Policy over partisanship, as AIPAC puts it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKmWa8p4UM
“Over the past 16 months, the Biden-Harris administration’s full, unobstructed support for Israel’s campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing has failed to remove the Palestinians of Gaza from their land,” Hudhayfah Ahmad, a spokesperson for the Muslim-American led Abandon Harris campaign, said in a statement to Newsweek.
“It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do; that decision belongs solely to the people of Palestine.”
So what credentials does this American person think he has about saying anything about Palestine? Does he think he’s part of a race?
They make a great point. But nobody here read the article.
I read the article, they are not making any points other than a completely empty claim that only Palestinians get to decide.
What they should be doing is profusely apologizing for their catastrophic stupidity while rallying people to try and impeach the orange felon.
Why them? The dems are the ones who lost?
You have ingested propaganda to make you think that protesters are the reason Republicans won the election.
This just didn’t happen
You are being manipulated to hate poor people and young people.
I never said that. They contributed in a significant way. That’s a fact. Their brainless contribution made things significantly worse for America and Palestinians. That’s a fact.
A Western diplomat in Cairo, also speaking anonymously because the discussions have not been made public, confirmed receiving Egypt’s message of its strong opposition through multiple channels. The diplomat said Egypt was very serious and viewed the plan as a threat to its national security.
The diplomat said Egypt rejected similar proposals from the Biden administration and European countries early in the war, which was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack into southern Israel. The earlier proposals were broached privately, while Trump announced his plan at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Ah yes, significantly worse.
Significantly worse because the EU/Biden proposals to help rebuild did NOT include removing all the Palestinians from Gaza before starting rebuilding. It’s like you don’t want to hear how genocidal trump sounds.
Yeah facts speaks for themselves anyway
What does this article have to do with your argument that Biden supposedly also offered US take over Gaza?
Not only is the “source” an unnamed diplomat, but even if that claim is true, your argument against someone saying Biden’s plan didn’t involve removing Palestinians from Gaza is that Israel doesn’t give a shit about international law?
Are you saying Israel would fight US troops if they deployed in Gaza to get rid of Hamas? Just trying to understand the crazy logic that only makes sense in your head.
So if you understand that them “contributing in a significant way” resulted in no difference in voter turnout, then why try to push that false and divisive narrative?
You have to curb your ego before you let it override reality.
Ever wonder why the Gaza protests got constant media coverage but the nation wide trans protests and strikes don’t get any coverage despite having way more participants?
It’s obvious to me, it should be obvious to you.
The media showed you what it wanted you to think, and you internalized it.
Who said it resulted in no difference in voter turnout?
Observable reality
You keep trying misinterpret what I say and you keep failing. The down votes should be a clear indication that most people see right past your bullshit.
Reality is that idiots that pushed against an obviously better choice for president helped elect an orange cunt that now made situation worse for everyone. There’s no arguing against these facts.
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The EU/Biden proposals to help rebuild did NOT include removing all the Palestinians from Gaza before starting rebuilding. It’s like you don’t want to hear how genocidal trump sounds.
Fine be a good slave, turn against your neigbors.
I can’t force you to develop the class solidarity required to make meaningful change.
Clearly you did not read the article.
Quote the great point.
"Over the past 16 months, the Biden-Harris administration’s full, unobstructed support for Israel’s campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing has failed to remove the Palestinians of Gaza from their land," Hudhayfah Ahmad, a spokesperson for the Muslim-American led Abandon Harris campaign, said in a statement to Newsweek.
“It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do; that decision belongs solely to the people of Palestine.”
Right, so just the completely empty statement I mentioned in my own reply. Meaningless bullshit from people who failed both, America and their heritage because they refused to accept reality.
Imagine believing the people being genocided failed the group responsible for their genocide.
The sheer insanity of your statement will make people reading it in 30 years fall backwards out of their chairs.
Fuck off with the nonsense. I said none of the idiotic shit you’re spewing.
The sheer insanity of not only voting, but actually encouraging others to vote for a person literally promising a carte blanche to a nation currently wiping Palestinians off the face of the planet is a level stupidity unmatched by a typical orange felon voter.
I think we’re about to find out what the “full support” of the US actually looks like
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No; to be clear, that would be very bad. That doesn’t mean it’s not what’s about to happen, though.
If you start talking about how Trump removed sanctions on 5 settlers I will block you.
I don’t know what opinions you think I have but I certainly do not support Trump. I didn’t hear about the sanctions thing though, can you send a link?
I would also like to believe we have some amount of self-determination in America, but 47 and Elmo are making sure that’s not the case.
And suddenly every democrats have strong feelings about palestine lmao
Democrats only care about non-whites if they aren’t the president. Otherwise it’s time to lock them in cages and violate federal laws to kill them. 💅
These hypocrits have offered to displace palestinians early in the war lmao
The diplomat said Egypt rejected similar proposals from the Biden administration and European countries early in the war, which was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack into southern Israel. The earlier proposals were broached privately, while Trump announced his plan at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
How completely unexpected to see the libs firmly deciding that this is all the fault of brown people.
https://midwest.social/comment/15162938
While they appreciate Trump’s commitment to rebuilding Gaza,
Fucking lol
They’re just that stupid.
Well aren’t you just the hypocritical ass.
1: These aren’t people that refused to vote for a lesser evil. They’re Trump voters. Willing greater evil supporters.
2: There’s a difference between blaming them for the loss over, you know, Democratic mismanagement and the conservative base being fascists in general.
3: Interesting that that wasn’t immediately obvious to you. All Muslims that don’t Vote Blue No Matter Who are equal in your eyes? You can hardly tell them apart!
Everyone of these dumb fucks can just go shut the fuck up. They are one of the main reasons for the Trump victory. All of them knew Trump would be worse, but they were all too fucking stupid to just go with the least bad option. Kamala was not a good candidate, but she was better than Trump in every facet.
The vote was down to preservation of democracy or end democracy and start FACISM. Murika voted for fascism.
More than half of the US never votes at all.
If voting were mandatory this would never have been the result.
Saying people deserve to be put in camps because they try to stay sane living paycheck to paycheck is kind of a little bitch take on this whole situation
Sorry I haven’t had my coffee and might have missed it, but did either commenter you replied to say people deserve to be put in camps?
It’s implied. /s
Democracy died a long, long time ago. The options were preservation of our neoliberal corporate order, or fascism. The status quo died in 2016 and Dems are hodling hard until I’m guessing America is a completely hollow husk of its former self. But at least they played fair!
Damn straight. I really didn’t like Kamal, but it was a no brainer to vote for her.
They were too insignificant to listen to. They’re too insignificant to blame.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame. They aren’t as bad as people that directly voted for him, but they are the next worst thing and the difference between is borderline indiscernible.
Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame.
If democrats can blame them, they were fools to ignore them.
It’s true but they still made the choice they made, and that’s unforgivable. Fuck em, Trump lovers.
It’s true but
…but you want to blame people whose families were getting genocided for not being happy to vote like you ordered them to.
Your party shat the bed. They knew who they had to appeal to in order to win. But since that’s beneath them, they lost.
No, it’s not about them doing what we “ordered” them to. It’s about them doing what would result in the best outcome for themselves.
Dems don’t have the emotional intelligence to understand that most Americans don’t know which policies will benefit them, most don’t know any policies at all.
They have to put money in people’s bank account and take money from the rich if they want to communicate a good economy instead of telling everyone we are the best while their quality of life rapidly erodes.
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You say that to people whose families were just murdered with weapons you provided and intend to continue providing.
You then scream that they’re morons for not being as happy as you are about it.
You then wonder why they’re not enthusiastic to vote for that to continue.
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Their rhetoric and decision to not vote for the only viable non Trump candidate is plenty reason to blame.
Centrists ignored them on the grounds that they could afford to lose them. You were wrong.
There is nothing centrist about acknowledging the fact that they fucked both themselves and everyone else.
There is nothing centrist about acknowledging the fact that they fucked both themselves and everyone else.
Except blaming people you screamed at for a solid year.
They were and still are idiots. They knew what was at stake and made their decision. They decided to support fascism and Trump and defending that decision is the same the same thing.
They were and still are idiots. They knew what was at stake and made their decision.
I know. And they lost votes because they wouldn’t give up support for genocide. Naturally, since no centrist can ever admit when they’re wrong, they blame the voters they hate.
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I voted against the nazi, did you?
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And what did you do to try and keep Trump out of office? Pearl clutch and not vote/vote third party? Yea, that was really fucking effective. At least I can sleep knowing my actions were in direct opposition to fascism, even if they weren’t my first choice. You can claim you didn’t support genocide while the candidate you indirectly supported doubles down not only on Gaza, but has also brought the fight to the USA.
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And now insignificant enough to be forgotten
…until you need someone to scapegoat for the party’s next loss.
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You made an account just to reply to this comment but you didn’t bother to vote
I know you’re very afraid because your favorite genocider lost and now you’re having a taste of your own medecine
Joe Biden to rich donors: “Nothing would fundamentally change” if he’s elected
And then nothing fundamentally changed, people were still mad, and the groundswell of support he enjoyed in 2020 collapsed under his successor in 2024. We should believe this is the fault of checks notes one of the Dems’ largest constituencies and not checks notes again the massive surplus of Mayo-Americans who flooded into Donald Trump’s camp over egg prices.
Liberals put a ton of effort into winning conservative voters, failed to win any conservative voters, and then blamed their base for only turning out 6M more votes than what put Obama into the White House in a landslide.
This attitude will never get people on your side
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Go fuck yourselves. Almost everyone tried to tell you this was going to end badly.
Protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election
This rhetoric exist to turn poor people against each other
Proof?
Go look at democrat proportinal voter demographic changes from 2020>2024 and you’ll come to the same conclusion as everyone else who does the work.
So, no proof?
Im sorry can you not read?
You understanding reality is not my responsibility.
Go look it up, because you will just whine and move the bar no matter what I show you.
Because you aren’t here to learn, you’re here to bitch and attention seek
Ok I looked it up and what I find says entirely different. Thanks for the meme.
Almost everyone tried to tell the dems that it was going to end badly.
How did it end? Badly.
Good thing everyone can just sit here and blame each other while we all ride the flaming wreckage into the ground now. 🎉
Hey democracy is at stake and the fate of 350 million is the balance. Sounds like the perfect time to play chicken.
The playing chicken is already done. Now we’re in the car while it’s flipping end over end, but still sniping at each other about who should have been driving.
Yeah, but we landed on the MAGA tracks and the train it’s bearing down on us. Congress is standing by a lever, one leads to us and some MAGA goons who are pissing on the wreckage, the other straight to d trump. They won’t spare us that’s for sure, never mind the MAGA goons who happen to be near by.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio wrote on X: “Gaza MUST BE FREE from Hamas. As @POTUS shared today, the United States stands ready to lead and Make Gaza Beautiful Again. Our pursuit is one of lasting peace in the region for all people.”
Ahmad, the spokesperson for the Abandon Harris campaign and a Palestinian activist, also said: “Despite the entire world being against them, Palestinians have proven that they will be victorious. They are returning to their homes and living among the rubble—people like that cannot be defeated. That is not a matter of opinion; it is a fact.”
The level of cope is just so hard here.
I bet this face must be extra tasty for the leopards.
“Over the past 16 months, the Biden-Harris administration’s full, unobstructed support for Israel’s campaign of genocide and ethnic cleansing has failed to remove the Palestinians of Gaza from their land,” Hudhayfah Ahmad, a spokesperson for the Muslim-American led Abandon Harris campaign, said in a statement to Newsweek.
“It is not Trump—just as it was not Biden or Harris—who decides what the Palestinians can or cannot do; that decision belongs solely to the people of Palestine.”
I hope what’s happening to the Palestinian people never happens to you, but if it does I hope people don’t treat you the same when you beg for help for your friends and family who have spent their entire lives under occupation and multiple genocides.
Hopefully someone doesn’t have to write a new poem, but it seems like humanity didn’t learn the lesson last time:
I hope I’m not ever stupid enough to pick a Republican that has pushed for Palestinians to be removed from Gaza, that told Israel to do what they had to do to end the war during the election, and talked about harsh punishments for pro-Palestinian protestors into office.
One can be critical about the one side support from the Biden administration, which I absolutely was and still am, yet realize that there are worse people out there and not be so stupid as to let that evil into power.
Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.
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Look at the statistics, please. The margins were not “but for Palestinian Americans, Harris would have won”. You can scapegoat Palestinians all the way until it’s time to demand people vote Democrats because they’re holding themselves hostage again, but it’s not going to win them the votes they need to have a chance at winning. And in the meantime, while they’re whining about how raw the deal they got in the election, we’re watching them sit on their hands during Musk’s takeover.
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Regardless of who won, the genocide was set to continue.
The only leverage they had to get Biden to stop supporting a genocide was to threaten to withhold votes
When Biden/Kamala refused to listen, some voters held their ground.
Enjoy your protest vote, hope it works out for you guys.
I held my nose and voted D like I always do.
But I understand why others didn’t, and that a candidate who already agrees with their base has a better chance then one who the base disagrees with.
So logically, we need to not keep trying to force a candidate on dem voters who is more conservative then Dem voters.
If you want to yell at people who were chased away from the political process by Biden/Kamala’s policies…
You’re going to have to go find them, they’re politically disengaged, they’re not going to be hanging out in political social media communities.
You’re gonna have to leave the comfort of your couch and do it face to face, go get right up to them and taunt them about the generations of family who have been abused and killed.
I won’t wait to hear back how it went, but I wish you the best of luck.
Oh, those people are absolutely here. I’ve had multiple arguments with them for the past week or so.
They’re trying as hard as they can to justify letting fascism win. I guess it’s so they can sleep at night pretending their protest didn’t condemn millions to suffer and actively make the situation worse for the people they were protesting for.
You just replied to multiple of comments of mine across different threads in the span of minutes…
Is this a coincidence thing or did I block your main account and you just noticed and desperately want to restart an old argument anywhere you can?
I hate to ask, but unfortunately this wouldn’t be the first time.
I guess I just really disagree with your opinions.
Blaming the voters for the absense of an anti-genocide candidate seems really productive. Maybe if we keep re-litigating the election for the next four years the Democrats will run Hillary again. /s
Moderates:
The problem with Republicans is their blind support of trump, they’ll always vote R!
Also moderates, often in the same breath:
The problem with Democrats is they want to hold politicians to a higher standard, instead of blindly voting D!
“Biden/Harris must stop what’s happening in Gaza! The status quo isnt acceptable at all, but at least advocacy and support groups will have the ability to continue lobbying the government under Harris. Under trump they’ll be branded terrorists and deported to remote prisons”
Missed that one.
Blame the voters, for donvict being in office?
Why yes, I think I will. Who else to blame? It’s not like candidates voted themselves into office.
Don’t vote? Don’t complain when things go to shit.
Also, want change? Actually vote in the primaries, donate to a better candidate, volunteer for the better candidate, and fucking vote in the primaries.
Jesus, everyone thinks that MAGA’s control came overnight, this shitshow took most of the 40+years of being on this earth to happen.
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According to another comment of yours, your not even American so find another chess board pigeon.
Their campaign to radically remake America has gone back even further than that. The reactionary mindset hates freedom of others and cannot stand being hemmed in even slightly by any kind of debt to society or being decent to others, etc…
So the xtian loons, the white supremacists and the people that give themselves bullshit titles like “job creators” got together on this…
What primaries? The Democrats don’t hold those anymore.
You ought to be blaming the Democrats for pushing another status quo candidate without even running a primary.
The voters aren’t responsible for the uninspiring candidate they were offered, and the Democrats are too busy projecting their failure on their constituents to take responsibility and make changes to prevent it from happening again.
That blame is ongoing. But it wasn’t going to change anything in the fall off 2024. The train already left the station. Given that, when trump was one of the tracks, the only sane option was to avoid it. All other logic is secondary after that.
That’s the problem with treating an election like a moral dilemma, this perspective forces you to take the party itself for granted.
You sat and watched as the Democrats set up a Trolley Problem, but you’re blaming the people they put at the switch rather than they who tied us to the tracks in the first place.
These leopards are going to get diabetes with how they’ve been eating lately.
Lil Marco is such a pathetic bootlicking weenie.
Such a hateful comment. It’s not even about American voters. The quote you pull here is about human people living through unimaginable torment and loss and you call it “cope.”
I know, it’s absolutely hateful to say Arab American have to live with the consequences of their actions.
you said cope. about ethnic displacement. like it’s internet beef or something. that’s what’s hateful. cope with me judging you for it.
It’s not a problem too cope with you judging me, it’s very, very easy, barely an inconvenience.
I simply don’t care one whit about what you think about me. You have your opinion, I have mine and opinions are like assholes, we all have one.
And regardless of what our opinions are it won’t change the fact that Arab Americans endorsed Trump, was a key factor in his victory, and he implemented a Muslim man in his first term and one of his first acts was to nominate and appoint cabinet members who have a history of anti-Muslim rhetoric, and just stated he wanted to turn Gaza into a parking lot with resorts and no Palestinians.
May you and I live in the interesting times we voted or sat out of voting for.
And regardless of what our opinions are it won’t change the fact that Arab Americans endorsed Trump,
Ah there you go! You have a problem with some Arab Americans who endorsed Trump. I have a problem with them to!
But some is not all. The quote you cited is from a group who endorsed Jill Stein. If every Stein vote had been alocated to Harris the outcome would have been the same.
Looks like I have helped you successfully make your position less hateful. It turns out you were attacking the wrong group. This is progress. :) Best regards.
God. Damn these people are so pants shittingly stupid.
They are going to be yelling about how no palestinian can be removed from their land even as they are being tossed onto a plane to El Salvador.
Stupid fuckers. All it’s going to take is one u s soldier getting his boot scuffed, and they’ll round them all up.
Protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election
This rhetoric exist to turn poor people against each other
They’ve been scuffing the boots of IDF soldiers for years and they’re still going
But, hey, I’m sure the US is totally different, look at how easy and cheap it was for us to occupy Iraq /s
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Not to mention, Trump is a peacetime president. He’s ending the Ukraine War and the Israel Palestine War
day 1week 1whenever convenientcommitting US troops to Gaza to commandeer the land and redevlop it as a US territory, while also threatening to take over the Panama Canal, Greenland, and to annex Canada, and requesting Zelensky allow Putin to ravage Ukrainian land and likely install puppet govt while prosecuting any Ukrainian loyalists as the Russians see fit.You know. Peaceful things.
Why would trump’s military care about easy or cheap?
They were complaining that Biden was doing nothing for the situation.
What did they think Trump was going to do for them?
Yeah Biden was doing nothing to stop the genocide, and their solution was to help the guy promising to speed it up.
People always start taking the status quo for granted eventually. On one hand, Trump might actually end the Palestinian genocide. Just, not in the way they want.
Yeah he’ll get the genocide finished as quickly as possible.
Well, he was the “Muslim ban” president, so it couldn’t have been good.
But that ship has sailed. We have a malicious, greedy oligarch in control of the USA now.
But that ship has sailed. We have
atwo malicious, greedy oligarchs in control of the USA now.
who ever thought trump would be better for palestinians is dumb asf. not saying harris would have done a good job since it seems no president will take their side.
