The word has lost its meaning now for a lot of people.

Decades of genocides can make genocide feel normal

Your comment is a perfect example.

How does that make any sense compared to moderates going to the Republican party?

Like, the current Dems are “progressives” who want what every other 1st world country got decades ago, and “moderates” who want what Republicans wanted decades ago…

Why are the “moderates” trying to moderate the Dem party instead of the one that’s so far from center they’re openly fascist?

If they had stayed where they were in the 80s, then the furthest right we’d have been in 2024 was Kamala

Do you understand how ridiculous it is to say everyone to the left of them should go R?

Absolutely best case scenario we end up with two modern Dem parties and that fixes nothing.

But if the moderates go to the Republican party?

They’d get what they want, they can be pro-fracking. They can be for genocide, they can be for politicians using insider knowledge to make millions off the stock market, they can be for the end of political donations regulations.

And have total party unity on all those topics, while moderating the Republicans so they run McCains instead of trumps.

But that’s hard.

And moderates have never been fighters.

The only way they’ll go moderate Republicans, is if Dems kick them the fuck out of running the party.

They did it in 08, they’ll do it again if we get a progressive to the general. It’s not a problem either because we’ll gain waaaaay more votes than we lose.

Nah, if they didn’t have nukes and US backing (which is likely how they have nukes)…

Then they wouldn’t act like they’re untouchable and wouldn’t commit so many genocides against neighboring countries…

Like, what you’re doing is saying the schoolyard bully has to be a bully because no one likes them. Ignoring the fact that the reason no one likes them is they keep beating up smaller kids.

They can stop being a bully anytime and the situation would improve. Getting mad at the bullied kids because they don’t like the bully makes no logical sense.

Like, you expect people to just ignore when a different country attacks yours and kills your children?

That’s just water under the bridge and they should get over it?

It’s their fault for responding to violence with violence instead of meekly allowing themselves to be exterminated?

Do you even read what you type?

Or do you legitimately just not understand what’s happening?

The International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to vote on a censure resolution against Iran for its lack of cooperation with the UN nuclear watchdog.

Correct me if I’m wrong…

But aren’t Israel’s nukes “open secrets” because they’re not legally allowed to have nuclear weapons either?

Everyone knows they have them, we just pretend they don’t

Yeah, kind of went on a rant there…

I think I took your comment as rationale for Dems who resign from the federal workforce in “protest”.

But now I’m thinking you meant that’s why Republicans don’t.

If that was the case, then yeah I misunderstood and my comment would seem like it came out of nowhere.

If you stay in and Trump is elected and everything you’re warning about comes to pass, how will you feel in January?" Stephanopoulos asked Biden.

“I’ll feel, as long as I gave it my all, and I did as good a job as I know I can do, that’s what this is about,” the president responded.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-at-peace-if-he-loses-to-trump-as-long-as-i-gave-it-my-all/ar-BB1puJEx

People give Republicans shit for not knowing about things trump said he would do…

Yet moderates continue to not know how Biden said he would things…

He was never built to fight fascism, we wasted four years of what could be (but probably isn’t) our last chance.

And people still want to claim we need to move further right in 2028?

I’m struggling so much to understand what kind of logic those people are using. Even when it “works” it doesn’t actually work, it’s a brief reprieve at best.

Oh ok…

You’re right, historically it has been best to bow to far right extremists making terroristic threats so the only members of the government are ones that agree with them.

/s

Did you know we’ve literally tried that before?

It’s what ended reconstruction and was the original mission of the KKK.

https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/ku-klux-klan-in-the-reconstruction-era/

People did what you’re supporting back then, it worked out fucking horribly. Seriously, people taking your current advice back then is one of the forks in the road that led to the current fucking shit show. But first it led to Jim Crow laws and massive civil rights setbacks. Because people cowed to just not threats but actual murders.

I swear, the vast majority of the reasons we can’t fix the same problems, is people refuse to remember how many times something has happened, what failed last time, and why we shouldn’t keep fucking doing it over and over.

And I’m not coming down on you personally, it’s just no one knows this shit anymore.

Fighting isn’t easy, we don’t just get to sit on the couch and make social media comments and call it a day.

You want to actually do something to help the government resist?

www.usajobs.gov

You might not want trump to be your boss, but again:

Fighting isn’t easy

If only trump sycophants work in the US government, he’ll break a lot more shit

Scuttlebutt is already record breaking retirements across most federal agencies for January, and there’s going to be lots more that try it but dip out after a few months. And I’m not talking people discussing the possibility, I mean the process has already started.

Which is a really bad thing…

A lot of the goverment is perpetually understaffed, and all these ultra conservative department heads are just going to do hiring freezes, keeping it even smaller.

Republicans don’t have to cut government staffing when everyone always runs away rather than stay and do what they can.

Republicans sure as shit don’t resign when a Dem shows up. They stick around and obstruct what they disagree with and try to maintain any ground they can.

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say, but I’m not expecting you clarifying to help

Years ago they tried to pass a minimum amount of time you had to hold a stock before selling…

It was a fraction of a second and neoliberals and Republicans immediately united to tell everyone how antithetical to America that was.

For some reason, that wasn’t enough to show people that both groups have the same priorities and we can’t fight an oligarchy with fucking oligarchs.

We’ll never win if only a handful of politicians are actually on our side.

But it’s almost impossible to compete against dark money in a primary, and the people running the DNC know that. So they’ll never agree to get dark money out of primaries. It’s the only reason they’re still holding back progressives.

Why that would be huge:

It would incentize the rich to hold stocks long term, this would lead to corporations thinking more than what profits are in 3 months.

Which translates to greater stability for other investors and job security for the people who work there.

But it’s never going to happen as long as Smaug Pelosi and people like her who’s main priority is personal wealth is running the Dem party. Because we all know Republicans will never support it.

But if we don’t purge the Dem party of neo liberals, and fast, we’re all fucked. We can’t keep walking down the path of “the rich always get richer” like nothing is wrong.

Wealth is finite. And without taxes and regulations the people who already have a lot will always accumulate more faster than they can spend it.

With them hoarding all that wealth, no one else has any.

I think it’s safe to say 1/3 will support the aliens, 1/3 will hate them, and 1/3 will just ignore the problem.

It feels like whatever the issue is, that’s the split.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

The only right way to be an optimist about the big picture is to make sure you’re ready for when shit goes sideways on the day to day stuff.

For instance a big silver lining about four years of trump, this is one of the few scenarios people stay politically engaged after the election, thru the midterms, and onto 2028.

Republicans have the Oval, the House, and the Senate. There is not much they can do that people will blame on Dems.

Historically he’ll lose House or Senate in two years. Hopefully both, but ideally the Senate. There’s benefits to the other way around too tho.

Adjust your timescale you’re looking at this with. 4 years ain’t long, two years ain’t shit. Think of all the fucked up horrible shit we’ve done as a country. Realize that even if things get worse then they ever been in America (incredibly unlikely) we’ve bounced back before and we’ll bounce back eventually again.

This is going to suck.

But 20 years from now we might look back on this as the last speed bump before we finally fixed our political system. Empires burn down all the time, but ash makes fertile soil.

Yep, when trump dies his “movement” explodes. They won’t consolidate around one, and trump would never have a clear successor because then he risks everyone siding with them.

MAGA ain’t a movement it’s a person.

When he’s gone the knives come out and the party will balkanize itself

Turns out trump actually is smarter than Biden… He picked an AG that will do what he wants.

That or Biden knew that appointing Garland would lead to a wasted four years and American voters turning their back on his party.

I just wish trump was dumb enough to “reach across the aisle” as much as Joe did.

the possibility of this happening if we were to have ultimately gone to war directly over 9/11. Like if things broke out and we were in a WW2 or Vietnam-level conflict with Saudi Arabia or something

Mate…

If you don’t think OEF was a bad as Vietnam…

I mean, both were terrible, obviously, but if you don’t even think they’re at least comparable?

I don’t think we should be trusting your memory of 9/11 when you can’t remember as far back as 2013 when OEF “ended”. Especially since OIR immediately started.

Like, you realize Vietnam at least ended…

Right?

Feel free to stick your neck out any time, my friend.

The neat thing about the Internet is you could be talking to anybody…

My necks fucking on the block already.

Why do you think I care so much?

My only question to you, hero of the modern age, is if it’s as easy as you say, why the fuck haven’t you done it already?

You want me to explain to you why Joe Biden didn’t pick me as Special Counsel to prosecute trump?

Yeah, let me just send you my resume real quick and the disposition letter from WHS lol

The problem is that in doing that, the best outcome they can hope for is for them and their families to be doxxed and harassed by Trump supporters because they’re not MAGA enough. That’s the “good” outcome.

If being a hero was easy, then we wouldn’t celebrate heroes.

If they weren’t ready to be heroes, then why the fuck did they take a spot in Bidens admin knowing they’d be taking on the responsibility of fighting fascism?

Fuck em.

They didn’t do the job they took, which means someone who was willing to fight didn’t get it.

Now you want me to fucking feel sorry for them because there are consequences to them not doing their job?

There’s consequences for everyone, I only have so much sympathy to go around, and the people who failed to hold trump accountable are in the back of the line when I’m handing it out.

We tried fighting the facism.

Voters did, but voting for the only other option besides the fascist in 2020.

Unfortunately the only other option was an ineffectual moderate who appointed people like Jack Smith that just wasn’t ready to fight fascism.

And four years of that not working, led to a decrease in Dem turnout and Biden losing the election.

The reason “fighting fascism” hasn’t worked so far, is the only other option won’t fight.

That’s by design, it’s why billionaires donate to both parties.

On the other hand:

Name a president that lies as much as trump.

And I suspect that trump isn’t the first candidate to have said that.

People don’t remember how batshit crazy US politics used to be…

Like, you know federal politicians used to duel and kill each other? There’s been multiple fights in official chambers. Not just punches, elected officials beating each other with metal canes and putting each other in the hospital.

Hell, we literally had a civil war already, and a war of independence.

People who think we’re living in unprecedented times, just are ignorant of precedence.

It sucks that our lifetime has to be interesting, but it’s what it is

So?

What matters is winning elections.

Stomping our feet and saying they should do what we tell them isn’t fucking working.

So if you want them to vote D so together we can stop Rs…

Maybe we should try running a better candidate than we have been?

Maybe no matter how much the wealthy insist on it, just being slightly better than trump isn’t enough.

Maybe we should just run the best candidate we can, one that already agrees with Dem voters so we don’t have to ask millions of people to hold their nose?

The excuse for running candidates further to the right then Dem voters has always been that it would magically win an election.

It hasn’t, and it won’t.

It’s a bad strategy and we’ve stuck with it for about a decade longer than we should have already.

What logical reason can you give to stick with a plan that even when it works doesn’t get us as much as we need, and fails regularly?

As a bonus, the more Dems move right, the more Republicans do.

So every election Dem voters have their potential winnings reduced and potential loses increased…

And people are really surprised why turnout was low?!