• UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    heartbreaking

    Back in CA, the “raw water” bazingas were especially wild. They took the “raw milk” thing and somehow made it worse.

    It came in these silly glass orbs too. Silicon Valley brainworms are wild.

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    I hate all of these movements that are tearing down historic gains in public health. Raw milk, raw water, anti-vaxxers. Fucking loser assholes. They just don’t have any conception at all of how much death and misery they’ve never experienced because of public health regulations.

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      The anti-vax stuff really pisses me off, especially when it’s spouted by people born before 1960. Polio killed so many children and crippled the ones it didn’t. And practically overnight, we developed a miracle cure in the form of the polio vaccine. Completely eradicated in North America when it used to kill thousands each year. There are people alive right now who can remember losing classmates in grade school to polio.

      Then you get into stuff like whooping cough. Basically unheard of for fifty years because of vaccines. Now it’s come back and people are finding out it’s fucking terrifying to die by coughing up your lungs.

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      I hate all of these movements that are tearing down historic gains in public health. Raw milk, raw water, anti-vaxxers

      I feel the exact same way and I despair when I watch centuries of hard-won improvements in societal health being dismantled and dissolved because of dipshits “doing the research” themselves and finding whatever bullshit fits what they want to believe.

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        You can still get listeriosis from improperly made nut milks. Two people recently died in Canada because of that. Listeria bacteria in milk is a particularly serious issue because it can survive and multiply at refrigeration temperatures. So please don’t drink unpasteurized almond milk, or try to make your own almond milk using raw unpasteurized almond nuts.

        Thankfully the “raw milk” aficionados haven’t started targeting nut milks yet though.

        Okay about that last part, unfortunately it was incorrect. I googled “unpasteurized almond milk” and apparently “raw vegans” are big on posting “raw almond milk” recipes, which make use of raw unpasteurized almonds. Please avoid this crank behaviour and use pasteurised or treated almonds to make your own almond milk.

        Also, I found the instructions in one recipe particularly funny. It involved sterilising the glass containers for the finished milk, but made use of raw almonds and did not involve any pasteurization process afterwards. Struggling to make sense of that…

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          Also, I found the instructions in one recipe particularly funny. It involved sterilising the glass containers for the finished milk, but made use of raw almonds and did not involve any pasteurization process afterwards. Struggling to make sense of that…

          The only time this makes sense is for deliberately fermenting something. But that’s not at all what they’re doing, unless they’re trying to cultivate listeria without letting those pesky mold spores compete

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            The recipe also said that their raw almond milk only lasts for two to three days in the fridge. Yeah, there might be a reason for that lol.

            I also just find the whole set up perplexing. If you’re going through all the effort of sterilising glass jars in hot/slowly boiling water or in an oven, surely you could pasteurise the final product yourself? It would just invoke heating the milk to 72C/162F for 10-30 seconds, and then cooling it quickly until the temperature drops below 20C/68F. You can do that with the milk in the sealed containers themselves if you know how long it would take to heat and cool to the appropriate temperatures. Or just use a smaller pot containing the milk, and place it inside a bigger pot, first a bigger pot with hot water and secondly a bigger pot with ice water. And then place the milk inside the sterilised containers after the pasteurization. Do raw milk people think that the pasteurization process changes the taste or kills nutrients somehow? I just don’t understand it.

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        i do typically go for oat milk if im gonna drink it. But for recipes that use milk u cant just sub in nut milk all the time.

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      The only raw food I want that isn’t fruits and veggies and nuts and… stuff that’s supposed to be cooked, is sushi.

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          True! But they don’t always need to be—meat stuff usually does. The only raw meat I’ll eat is fish stuff!

          But roasted nutz and veggies are DOPE, you’re not wrong!

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    “Raw milk tastes SO much better, man! That’s all we’re going to drink once we move out to our new acreage.”

    • Some dickhead I used to work with, two years before his first child died.
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      i have some fucked up milk addiction where I get straight up cravings for that shit, it’s like a special sort of hunger that is only satisfied by milk (nobody needs to tell me about caseomorphins btw, I already know), and it’s wild hearing these raw milk weirdos talk about the taste. it already tastes good! it’s like they’re not happy without the milk equivalent of shooting fentanyl into their balls

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    Consuming raw milk when you’re buying it from a small/peasant farmer that doesn’t do much to their cows is one thing. Buying it from factory farms or any large scale operation is another thing entirely.

    Additionally raw milk is actually really helpful for people trying to make cultures. My aunt and uncle used to make keffir and they had way better results with raw milk than pasturized. In their case the fermentation was actually a way of sanitizing the food of harmful bacteria.

    It should be noted that even pasteurized milk can still be unhealthy and cause various health issues, for best results consider tofu-cool