• Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    It’s not a joke though Minnesota really does have the blandest trough slop in north america it’s awful.

    They have this thing they call “hot dish” which is they dump green beans and cream of mushroom soup in a casserole dish and put tater tots on it. This is the height of Minnesotan cultural cuisine. I am not joking. It is not seasoned.

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        It shouldn’t be completely bland if you saute some onion and garlic, that’s the taste base of meals for like a thousand years

        Would be better with literally any spice

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      They have this thing they call “hot dish” which is they dump green beans and cream of mushroom soup in a casserole dish and put tater tots on it.

      I’ve made this! Well, a vegan equivalent with mushroom gravy I made myself. And I used frozen mixed veggies, not just green beans. Oh, and I seasoned it. And put some (vegan) cheese on it. But it was really good! Sure, it’s not something I’d serve to anyone or even admit I enjoy (except anonymously on the internet, I guess), but like, it’s almost a shepherd’s pie situation, except with tots instead of mashed potatoes. Surprisingly good for a lazy meal, and lots of leftovers!

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          Gravy is one of the laziest foods ever! I’ve made gravies while blackout drunk. I’ve made gravies while too high to function. It takes a little time (like 10 minutes, maximum) and some pretty constant stirring, but for the amount of tasty it adds to a dish, it’s well worth it. It often feels like the gravy makes itself while I just stand there waiting for it to come together.

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          Oh, it’s a pretty straightforward, very lazy gravy! I make a roux with flour and oil, then add in broth while whisking vigorously to get rid of any clumps. Then I add a can or two of canned mushrooms and I season it with salt, pepper, soy sauce, maybe some msg, and herbs. Lots of herbs. Rosemary, sage, thyme, parsley, usually dried because that’s what we have sitting around, but I bet fresh would be even better. We also have some, like, mushroom stir fry sauce (I don’t exactly know what it is) that we found in an asian market, so I usually add some of that to get it more mushroomy.

          And yeah, I’ve done fried onions on a green bean casserole. In my mind that’s different than a tater tot hot dish. I do love green bean casserole though!

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      Forgive me for being prejudiced eurotrash but isn’t a lot of “traditional” white American foods just branded processed foods hastily mixed together? Are fresh ingredients that hard to get your hands on? Has the knowledge of how to cook them been lost?

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        A lot of “traditional” white American food rises from traditions of using government issued foodstuffs. Government cheese, spam, various concoctions devised from military rations. But quite a lot also comes from what immigrant communities were able to afford, which was generally the worse stuff. There’s also a not-insignificant number of white households that possessed no generational cooking knowledge because it was done by slaves, and thus had no culinary culture they could continue without the requisite skills.

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          A lot of the Americanization process encouraged immigrants to give to their customs and replace them with American substitutes. Shitty food is a result of generations of urban working class proles fed on cheap “American approved” slop and losing their customs and knowledge

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        Are fresh ingredients that hard to get your hands on?

        I mean we have food deserts here for one thing. I imagine theres more to the answer to your question, but thats one thing I can mention.

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        It’s sort of a 50/50 split between standard poverty meals adapted by time and region, and recipes invented by marketing campaigns to sell processed slop.

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      Upstate NY beats out Minnesota in the bland food category, all they have is buffalo sauce w/ bleu cheese. Most of the restaurants I go to don’t even salt the food, at least Campbell’s cream of mushroom is packed full of sodium. Sponge candy is bland, they used to produce brown beans that everyone acknowledged needed to have ingredients added to give them flavor, and even the hotdogs have a weird texture because they’re ground so fine and not smoked. Don’t even get me started on salt potatoes or garbage plates.

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      Made “hot dish” with refried beans, fried onions and queso and topping it with crushed tortilla chips instead of cream of mushroom soup and green beans makes a pretty good half-assed taco casserole kinda thing tbh, tater tots are a nice base to add assorted slop to in a baking pan and just chuck it in the oven for awhile.

      chefs-kiss

      Cream of mushroom soup is nasty though, so are any kind of pasta/potato salads where the main ingredient is mayo, and “Waldorf salad” is an affront to apples

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      Nah, that’s “green bean casserole.” That’s the ONLY hotdish we DON’T call hotdish. Ive always seen it with fried onions, not tots, but everyone makes a hotdish a little differently.

      There’s a thousand kind of hotdishes and there are good and bad ones, I guarantee you.

    • I’ll die on the hill that the only issue with green bean casserole is that it isn’t vegan. Its’ meant to be communal, if made properly the contrast between the softness and the crunch create an inviting texture, it is quite possibly the only way to sneak both soy sauce and black pepper into a dish that middle America won’t question, it was designed to be cheap and therefore accessible, no authentic version has tater tots, no authentic version is unseasoned, for the less unadventurous it benefits greatly from adding even more spice (paprika, garlic powder, and sprinkle some herbs on top of the onion. if making a vegan version use a but less cashews than you would normally use for a vegan cream of mushroom. I don’t know why, it just works better.). Also, if you like the taste of hot peppers but not the heat, its a great vehicle for cutting the heat so much you can still dump some capsicum bomb on there.

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        I am channeling Lenin and screaming “utopianism! Utopianism!”

        There might be some theory of edible green bean casserole or edible hot dish. It might work on paper. You might look at the recipe and think “mmm, yes, i can see the appeal.”

        But on earth? Where people live and die? No such thing exists, nor could it.

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          But it can’t be a utopian dish if I’ve actually made variations of it. It’s Eutopian.

          Fr though I would die from shame if Lenin wakes up and insults my cooking. Breath of the snake has served a silly dish, I won’t be trying it.

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          Totally honest i don’t eat sour cream either but my wife tears it up. i got to try legit Mexican tacos once and since then, i like a little goat cheese crumble if i can get it or nothin cuz wifey makes a mean mango salsa anyway.

          I don’t have a point

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            See if you can get Crema Fresca sometime, it’s the Mexican version of sour cream, similar but different, a little lighter. Your wife will probably like it.

            If you can’t buy it try adding a little water or milk to your sour cream to thin it and maybe a pinch of salt to dull the sourness. It’s what I do when I can’t get crema.

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          sour cream adhere a flour tortilla to the crunchy one.

          or just carefully balance it and scoop the crumbles and fallen filling into your mouth like a gremlin

          • Can’t find it rn, but a dude made a taco holder and recorded himself eating a taco over an empty shell so that the drippings fell into the empty shell. Galaxy brained shit, making another taco with the one you are currently eating.

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          There is a brand i really like that would change your mind about crunchy shells, and making your own can be delicious. Crunchy shells don’t have to explode in your hand and break into daggers in your mouth

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          Riiight?! You don’t! You don’t eat them! You walk down the fucking conga line of sadness diligently assembling your shitty flavorless tacos and getting your shitty more salt than potato chips and your shitty both under and over ripe flavorless fruit salad and then you go sit down with all these big puffy white faces with shitty hair and shitty clothes laughing out loud at jokes which are in no way funny or else sneering at each other miserably, and the smell is awful and everyone’s teeth are stained yellow by nicotine and you try to bite the fucking thing and it comes apart and then you’re just staring at this demolished mess of flavorless tomato chunks and flavorless beef and vaguely petroleum scented flavorless “cheese” and your little six year olf brain is thinking “this can’t be it. There must be more to life than this. I need to get out of this fucking place”.

          The 80s fucking sucked.

    • Omegamint [comrade/them, doe/deer]@hexbear.net
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      I used to fry up a bunch of onion and mix it with ground beef and refried beans, along with a packet of “taco seasoning”. I called it taco slop and it was basically a higher grade microwave burrito filling, lol.

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    tacos that are pretty much just ground beef and cheese is something white people really do though. not all white people of course, but it’s a thing and not rare at all

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      A fried flour tortilla with unseasoned ground beef, shredded cheese, big chunks of tomato, and lettuce. They’re so gross. Shops selling something like a mexican street taco has started to pop up and it’s so nice bc white people tacos aren’t fit to feed dogs.

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        I know this is a joke, but my dad calls cumin come-in. He also called Chipotle chi-pot-le unironically for years. But that’s what you get when you grow up in a place named Mudlake.

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      Yeah and they’re great. White people tacos are a distinct, low-effort species from Mexican tacos.

      Hot tip: to make your white people tacos meat stretch further, add black beans!

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        yeah the low effort aspect is one of the things about it that makes it a perfectly valid variation and I’m not just saying that in a backhanded way, sometimes you don’t have time to slow cook meat or marinate it and set up the grill

        my favorite way to “elevate” it is to add about 1-2 tablespoons of tomato paste after the ground beef browned, mix it it and let it simmer on low heat covered for 5-15 minutes

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      The northern European white people taco consists of:

      • Hard shell
      • Ground beef, that has been “fried”, ie. broken up in a skiltet that is too small and boiled in it’s own juices until grey and nasty with stone of store bought “taco seasoning” (mostly salt and yeast extract but also trace amounts of cumin and other spices)
      • Shredded wet iceberg lettuce
      • Sugary store bought salsa, either “medium” (someone showed the jar a picture of a jalapeno) or “mild” (essentially chunky tomato ketchup)
      • Shredded cheese from a bag
      • “Guacamole”, either a combination of sour cream, avocado and a pouch of premixed seasoning or some ungodly shelf-stable green cream cheese concoction
      • Two or three slices of pickled jalapeno if you’re really adventurous

      Supermarkets promote this as “Mexican” food.

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    I had to BEG my mom to season the ground beef for white people tacos, because “I bought the cheese that has taco seasoning in it, why does it need more?”

    Growing up in a town with a good amount of hispanic influence and incredible food spoiled me.

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      I knew a mormon family in southern California who made the whitest tacos Ive ever had. Flour Tortillas (not even heated up), unseasoned ground beef, spring mix, and Catalina dressing instead of taco-sauce. Rough.

      LA area has some amazing Mexican food, its where I learned the term guisado. I don’t understand some people.

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        I bet my mom would love those tacos.

        Thankfully, she realized that seasoning doesn’t necessarily mean heat or excess salt and is better about seasoning food now and we found a hole in a wall that does really good mexican food that she likes too.