The tacit understanding here being that the funding and feelings of the police is more valuable than the lives of senior citizens.

      • Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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        i don’t think that’s the goal of this campaign or his probable tenure as mayor. national demns are still going to be shit, other states and even other parts of NY they’re still going to be shit.

        Nevada a few years ago is a better example of entryism getting screwed over by liberals.

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          The democratic party of the united states of america is a reactionary far right bourgeois ethnonationalist settler party masquerading under a progressive pink capitalist veneer. They are as bad as the Nazi party in their profound support of capitalism and the subsequent genocides required by it, including their long time support of the settler-colonial zionist entity. They have helped fund, arm, and plan the most barbarous murder of 1 million souls over the past 2 years because they themselves are funded by the bourgeois who greatly benefit from imperialism. They are fundamentally rotten purveyors of genocide and white supremacy whose role is to help destroy any attempts at grassroots class conscious left wing organization in the united states.

          While the fact that Mamdani won is good in the sense that it means popular sentiment in New York is changing in favor of the left (because most americans are uneducated so they THINK the democratic party is something different from what it IS), entryism into the Democratic party is as much of a dead end as entryism into the Nazi party during the 1940s.

          This is a fact that no amount of “WELL WHAT ARE YOU DOING THEN??” cope will ever change.

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        Of all the possible politicians that would allow guillotines in Central Park, Mamdani is our best bet. Just hope he actually fucks up NYPD and makes it easier to organize in the meantime. He’s not an end goal. I don’t even think he thinks that.

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          He literally walked most of his “endearing” rhetoric. Including defunding- which he doesnt want to do, he wants to stop expanding the NYPD, so basically eternal status quo at best.

          Besides he is going to move right very quickly, given that there is no counterpol forcing him to the left, in fact most of the entryist enjoyers spend more time getting socialists in non-american countries and even outside NYC to shut up and uncritically support him, which unironically actually harms the very strategy they try to convince us will led to socialism.

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            stopping expansion is a very technocratic way of cutting their budget over time because inflation will continue to happen. Remember he needs to not be murdered if he wants to do any of the public transit improvements, rent freezes, or at-cost grocery stores.

            this is not a defense of his backpedaling on the nypd or isntrael, but also he wasn’t ever campaigning on decimating the nypd budget or anything but rather on limiting their scope to the liberal mythology of police are for and using the new funding that isn’t going to the cops to fund ostensibly good things like social workers.

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            He discredited it with the Soviets. We don’t have any Soviets. They also allied with the mensheviks/social Democrats during the first revolution. We haven’t even had a minor rebellion yet, you ally with whoever you need to and just don’t allow them to maintain a grip on power after a revolution, something that was accomplished by bringing the Soviets on side.

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                American leftists are so reactionary that they somehow think it’s easier to force an old established institution dedicated to absorbing revolutionary energy into becoming revolutionary, than actually creating the revolutionary party.

                It also reveals how little regard they have for the people that suffered & die or will suffer & die for their little stunt with blue maga.

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                  wait why do you think he’s out to change the institution of the democratic party and not simply trying to do some good things as the mayor? one of those things is dumb as hell, the other is perfectly reasonable and there are structural reasons to seek the dem nomination rather than trying to do it as an independent.

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                    Agreed. People kinda forgot that Kautsky, despite his disastrous influence on western socialism, himself still wanted actually communism in the end and not idk hiring freeze on hiring pigs or just defensive weapons to the genocidal state. Modern day DSA would have never demanded an 8-hour workday or, they would have advocated for being “good” not “perfect” and asked for a 11.5-hour workday which only applies for those employed for 10+ years.

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        I wouldn’t vote for him because of the association, if I still voted–which because of their bullshit I will not be doing again. Fuck the dems.

        But mamdani’s policies seem pretty sensible and good, if milder than what we need.

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          I’m fine if his policies help some people but none of them are going to be implemented and I don’t vote for people running under the blue Nazi banner period.

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            none of them are going to be implemented

            that you don’t realize how radicalizing that will be for a lot of people really reaffirms my “hexbear users in general have literally no clue when it comes to propaganda” belief

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              It’s been “radicalizing” since Obama told his base to go fuck themselves 17 years ago. Nothing has changed. Let’s do something that actually works instead.

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                  Obama’s victory did radicalize a minority of americans to become more left wing but seems to have radicalized voting americans in most part to become more reactionary and elect trump, then biden, and then trump again.

                  Millions were starved, tortured, and killed during this time due to the actions of the american bourgeois around the world and in america itself. Ecocide is now a reality, and 1 million people, mostly children, were genocided en masse over the past 2 years by america and the west through their zionist proxy. There was no mass movement ready in america to prevent this.

                  Although Mamdani winning means that there is still scope for left wing politics amongst the american working class in new york, there should be no illusions about the total and complete impotency of electoralism as a strategy which will lead to the kind of revolutionary left wing action that can stop genocide, even by accident.

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            the difference between Mamdani and other dems is that he’s actually bothering to promise good things, so the argument here isn’t to vote for 99% hitler instead of 100% hitler like they try to do with presidential elections.