of the first eight image results on google, six of them have people in them, and of the ones that have people in them, 4/6 of them show labour idk what you’re talkign about lmao
Tell me you’ve never worked manual labour without telling me you’ve never worked manual labour.
There’s always lads standing about, having a smoke, chatting shite, it’s not all swinging hammers and rolling up your sleeves. Labour is hard, people take rests all the time without it being an official break.
But regardless, to call a movement fascist because their art doesn’t depict someone swinging a hammer in every image is bonkers.
True liberation of the workers involves less work for the workers. As the Greeks put it, we should be eating figs, making art, and having orgies once our needs are met. Not working more for the sake of working. Solarpunk is utopian, utopia means rest and relaxation for the working class, not Sisyphean toil.
Ah yes, the labour is implied by people standing around.
But regardless, to call a movement fascist because their art doesn’t depict someone swinging a hammer in every image is bonkers.
What I actually said is that solar-punk is as compatible with fascism as it is with socialism. The society it depicts could be a socialist one or it could be one built on slave labor. Nobody is talking about any Sisyphean toil here. That’s just a straw man you’re building.
Beyond looking at some pretty pictures, you’ve clearly read fuck all about Solarpunk if you think it’s normal to say it could be built on slave labour. It’s generally depicted as some form of anarcho-communism, although other flavours do exist. But I guess that’s not your flavour of left, not Soviet enough for you, and must therefore be brandished as bad, evil, and fascist.
As usual, the Marxist Leninists stomp on the Anarchists at the first opportunity. Aiding the Capitalists while professing to be on the side of the workers.
Give some manual labour a go instead of putting down other left movements. Actually do some physically demanding work. It might help you appreciate why people who swing hammers all day, every day, don’t want to see hammers in their art after work.
As usual, the Marxist Leninists stomp on the Anarchists at the first opportunity.
Such a God damn victim. Do you realize how silly this rhetorical tact of smol bean anarchists bullied by the reds looks to anyone who isn’t an anarchist or a lib?
Aiding the Capitalists while professing to be on the side of the workers.
I’m begging you, tell me about Spain next. I’m almost there.
As usual, the Marxist Leninists stomp on the Anarchists at the first opportunity. Aiding the Capitalists while professing to be on the side of the workers.
What I’m saying is that for solar punk to be a credible socialist aesthetic it would need to EXPAND to include depcitions of labour. Let me know if this is still confusing for you.
What I’m saying is that for solar punk to be a credible socialist aesthetic it would need to EXPAND to include depcitions of labour. Let me know if this is still confusing for you.
This is moving the goalposts, but it’s a pretty valid place to leave the goalposts. There is no centralized accreditor of solarpunk; it’s still more of a pidgin than a fully-developed language. But you can still point to what is internally coherent and distinct, and what is not.
Nowhere did I say that, but I guess using straw man is what you’re going to go with here. Clearly not much point trying to continue having this discussion.
you said “people standing around enjoying environments that somebody built is not what depiction of labour looks like” in response to solar-punk art of people doing farm labour
I don’t see labor in any but the one you highlighted, where someone appears to have just picked fruit for personal consumption based on the size of the basket. If those white dots are people in the bottom left one, I’ll give you that one fully. The bottom middle one has a crowd but no discernible activity that I can tell and the others don’t seem to have people and certainly don’t have people doing anything, again that I can tell. The images are a bit small.
Alright, so the white dots are a shepherd, some sheep, and some farmers. That’s an example of labor that supports society. In order, 2 still looks like someone just having recently gotten food for themselves (small basket, walking well away), 3 has kind of a strange absence of a gondolier despite seeming to have a gondola and no indication of a conductor/captain for the trolley boat, and 4 has one of the ~24 subjects using a wheelbarrow, so I’ll give you that one.
In my opinion, only 1 and 4 are real examples and 2 and 3 are actually examples of what yog is talking about.
for two the official description of the art calls them farmers, the baskets are meant to be backpack sized at least for the person in the back and they are all wearing uniforms and walking towards the fruit tree on the left. and in three it is hard to see because of the compression but there is a gondolier standing on the boat on the far left side, their head is cut off by the top of the boat
The reason I mentioned walking away is that it suggests the baskets aren’t an intermediary before placing them in larger receptacles on standby among or beside the trees, but rather that this is the total amount being transported away (or individuals make multiple trips, but it’s all still going to their own households or something). I admit that I’m not an expert on agriculture, but it really seems like people just getting food for themselves, so if they are farmers, the optimistic interpretation is communal yeomanry.
Thank you for pointing out the gondolier. All the people in that area really blend in with the background because of the color palette. You are right on that one.
The fact that the gondolier is hidden behind a sign clearly illustrates their lack of importance to the scene. They’re nothing more than a faceless cog. Compare that to how labourers are depicted in socialist realism as prominent and proud figures central to the art:
of the first eight image results on google, six of them have people in them, and of the ones that have people in them, 4/6 of them show labour idk what you’re talkign about lmao
lmao people standing around enjoying environments that somebody built is not what depiction of labour looks like 🤣
Tell me you’ve never worked manual labour without telling me you’ve never worked manual labour.
There’s always lads standing about, having a smoke, chatting shite, it’s not all swinging hammers and rolling up your sleeves. Labour is hard, people take rests all the time without it being an official break.
But regardless, to call a movement fascist because their art doesn’t depict someone swinging a hammer in every image is bonkers.
True liberation of the workers involves less work for the workers. As the Greeks put it, we should be eating figs, making art, and having orgies once our needs are met. Not working more for the sake of working. Solarpunk is utopian, utopia means rest and relaxation for the working class, not Sisyphean toil.
Ah yes, the labour is implied by people standing around.
What I actually said is that solar-punk is as compatible with fascism as it is with socialism. The society it depicts could be a socialist one or it could be one built on slave labor. Nobody is talking about any Sisyphean toil here. That’s just a straw man you’re building.
Your argument boils down to this then.
Beyond looking at some pretty pictures, you’ve clearly read fuck all about Solarpunk if you think it’s normal to say it could be built on slave labour. It’s generally depicted as some form of anarcho-communism, although other flavours do exist. But I guess that’s not your flavour of left, not Soviet enough for you, and must therefore be brandished as bad, evil, and fascist.
As usual, the Marxist Leninists stomp on the Anarchists at the first opportunity. Aiding the Capitalists while professing to be on the side of the workers.
Give some manual labour a go instead of putting down other left movements. Actually do some physically demanding work. It might help you appreciate why people who swing hammers all day, every day, don’t want to see hammers in their art after work.
lots of MLs and other statists in here clowning on OP.
Such a God damn victim. Do you realize how silly this rhetorical tact of smol bean anarchists bullied by the reds looks to anyone who isn’t an anarchist or a lib?
I’m begging you, tell me about Spain next. I’m almost there.
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Have you ever been in a building you didn’t build?
Quick question, what’s the context for my comment?
are you looking for labour or construction work here
I’m looking for a depiction of how the society is actually functions. Solar-punk aesthetic is but a small sliver of that.
so you’re not looking for depictions of labour in solar-punk?
What I’m saying is that for solar punk to be a credible socialist aesthetic it would need to EXPAND to include depcitions of labour. Let me know if this is still confusing for you.
This is moving the goalposts, but it’s a pretty valid place to leave the goalposts. There is no centralized accreditor of solarpunk; it’s still more of a pidgin than a fully-developed language. But you can still point to what is internally coherent and distinct, and what is not.
I’m not moving any goal posts. This has been what I’ve consistently said throughout this thread.
Okay, I agree, why, you even put it in the title.
There was no struggle session on July 14, 2025. It never happened.
so you don’t consider farm labour and public transportation labour to be labour?
Nowhere did I say that, but I guess using straw man is what you’re going to go with here. Clearly not much point trying to continue having this discussion.
you said “people standing around enjoying environments that somebody built is not what depiction of labour looks like” in response to solar-punk art of people doing farm labour
I don’t see labor in any but the one you highlighted, where someone appears to have just picked fruit for personal consumption based on the size of the basket. If those white dots are people in the bottom left one, I’ll give you that one fully. The bottom middle one has a crowd but no discernible activity that I can tell and the others don’t seem to have people and certainly don’t have people doing anything, again that I can tell. The images are a bit small.
here are higher resolution versions from the ones that had labor on the first page of the google search
I appreciate your accommodations.
Alright, so the white dots are a shepherd, some sheep, and some farmers. That’s an example of labor that supports society. In order, 2 still looks like someone just having recently gotten food for themselves (small basket, walking well away), 3 has kind of a strange absence of a gondolier despite seeming to have a gondola and no indication of a conductor/captain for the trolley boat, and 4 has one of the ~24 subjects using a wheelbarrow, so I’ll give you that one.
In my opinion, only 1 and 4 are real examples and 2 and 3 are actually examples of what yog is talking about.
for two the official description of the art calls them farmers, the baskets are meant to be backpack sized at least for the person in the back and they are all wearing uniforms and walking towards the fruit tree on the left. and in three it is hard to see because of the compression but there is a gondolier standing on the boat on the far left side, their head is cut off by the top of the boat
The reason I mentioned walking away is that it suggests the baskets aren’t an intermediary before placing them in larger receptacles on standby among or beside the trees, but rather that this is the total amount being transported away (or individuals make multiple trips, but it’s all still going to their own households or something). I admit that I’m not an expert on agriculture, but it really seems like people just getting food for themselves, so if they are farmers, the optimistic interpretation is communal yeomanry.
Thank you for pointing out the gondolier. All the people in that area really blend in with the background because of the color palette. You are right on that one.
you are welcome, yes it seems to be a flawed depiction of farming
The fact that the gondolier is hidden behind a sign clearly illustrates their lack of importance to the scene. They’re nothing more than a faceless cog. Compare that to how labourers are depicted in socialist realism as prominent and proud figures central to the art:
if we zoom in really hard there’s a person behind the sing whom we can’t see entirely doing productive work, really celebrating labour there lmfao
i was responding to you saying “labour is entirely invisible in pretty much all the solar-punk aesthetic”
And you chose the pic that literally hides the labourer to drive this point home 🤣
it is one of the four images i chose, and the labourer is visible in the picture, not “entirely invisible” as you said