Tell me you’ve never worked manual labour without telling me you’ve never worked manual labour.
There’s always lads standing about, having a smoke, chatting shite, it’s not all swinging hammers and rolling up your sleeves. Labour is hard, people take rests all the time without it being an official break.
But regardless, to call a movement fascist because their art doesn’t depict someone swinging a hammer in every image is bonkers.
True liberation of the workers involves less work for the workers. As the Greeks put it, we should be eating figs, making art, and having orgies once our needs are met. Not working more for the sake of working. Solarpunk is utopian, utopia means rest and relaxation for the working class, not Sisyphean toil.
Ah yes, the labour is implied by people standing around.
But regardless, to call a movement fascist because their art doesn’t depict someone swinging a hammer in every image is bonkers.
What I actually said is that solar-punk is as compatible with fascism as it is with socialism. The society it depicts could be a socialist one or it could be one built on slave labor. Nobody is talking about any Sisyphean toil here. That’s just a straw man you’re building.
Beyond looking at some pretty pictures, you’ve clearly read fuck all about Solarpunk if you think it’s normal to say it could be built on slave labour. It’s generally depicted as some form of anarcho-communism, although other flavours do exist. But I guess that’s not your flavour of left, not Soviet enough for you, and must therefore be brandished as bad, evil, and fascist.
As usual, the Marxist Leninists stomp on the Anarchists at the first opportunity. Aiding the Capitalists while professing to be on the side of the workers.
Give some manual labour a go instead of putting down other left movements. Actually do some physically demanding work. It might help you appreciate why people who swing hammers all day, every day, don’t want to see hammers in their art after work.
As usual, the Marxist Leninists stomp on the Anarchists at the first opportunity.
Such a God damn victim. Do you realize how silly this rhetorical tact of smol bean anarchists bullied by the reds looks to anyone who isn’t an anarchist or a lib?
Aiding the Capitalists while professing to be on the side of the workers.
I’m begging you, tell me about Spain next. I’m almost there.
As usual, the Marxist Leninists stomp on the Anarchists at the first opportunity. Aiding the Capitalists while professing to be on the side of the workers.
What I’m saying is that for solar punk to be a credible socialist aesthetic it would need to EXPAND to include depcitions of labour. Let me know if this is still confusing for you.
What I’m saying is that for solar punk to be a credible socialist aesthetic it would need to EXPAND to include depcitions of labour. Let me know if this is still confusing for you.
This is moving the goalposts, but it’s a pretty valid place to leave the goalposts. There is no centralized accreditor of solarpunk; it’s still more of a pidgin than a fully-developed language. But you can still point to what is internally coherent and distinct, and what is not.
Nowhere did I say that, but I guess using straw man is what you’re going to go with here. Clearly not much point trying to continue having this discussion.
you said “people standing around enjoying environments that somebody built is not what depiction of labour looks like” in response to solar-punk art of people doing farm labour
lmao people standing around enjoying environments that somebody built is not what depiction of labour looks like 🤣
Tell me you’ve never worked manual labour without telling me you’ve never worked manual labour.
There’s always lads standing about, having a smoke, chatting shite, it’s not all swinging hammers and rolling up your sleeves. Labour is hard, people take rests all the time without it being an official break.
But regardless, to call a movement fascist because their art doesn’t depict someone swinging a hammer in every image is bonkers.
True liberation of the workers involves less work for the workers. As the Greeks put it, we should be eating figs, making art, and having orgies once our needs are met. Not working more for the sake of working. Solarpunk is utopian, utopia means rest and relaxation for the working class, not Sisyphean toil.
Ah yes, the labour is implied by people standing around.
What I actually said is that solar-punk is as compatible with fascism as it is with socialism. The society it depicts could be a socialist one or it could be one built on slave labor. Nobody is talking about any Sisyphean toil here. That’s just a straw man you’re building.
Your argument boils down to this then.
Beyond looking at some pretty pictures, you’ve clearly read fuck all about Solarpunk if you think it’s normal to say it could be built on slave labour. It’s generally depicted as some form of anarcho-communism, although other flavours do exist. But I guess that’s not your flavour of left, not Soviet enough for you, and must therefore be brandished as bad, evil, and fascist.
As usual, the Marxist Leninists stomp on the Anarchists at the first opportunity. Aiding the Capitalists while professing to be on the side of the workers.
Give some manual labour a go instead of putting down other left movements. Actually do some physically demanding work. It might help you appreciate why people who swing hammers all day, every day, don’t want to see hammers in their art after work.
lots of MLs and other statists in here clowning on OP.
Such a God damn victim. Do you realize how silly this rhetorical tact of smol bean anarchists bullied by the reds looks to anyone who isn’t an anarchist or a lib?
I’m begging you, tell me about Spain next. I’m almost there.
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Have you ever been in a building you didn’t build?
Quick question, what’s the context for my comment?
are you looking for labour or construction work here
I’m looking for a depiction of how the society is actually functions. Solar-punk aesthetic is but a small sliver of that.
so you’re not looking for depictions of labour in solar-punk?
What I’m saying is that for solar punk to be a credible socialist aesthetic it would need to EXPAND to include depcitions of labour. Let me know if this is still confusing for you.
This is moving the goalposts, but it’s a pretty valid place to leave the goalposts. There is no centralized accreditor of solarpunk; it’s still more of a pidgin than a fully-developed language. But you can still point to what is internally coherent and distinct, and what is not.
I’m not moving any goal posts. This has been what I’ve consistently said throughout this thread.
Okay, I agree, why, you even put it in the title.
There was no struggle session on July 14, 2025. It never happened.
I stand by what I put in the title, and it in no way contradicts anything I said in this thread.
so you don’t consider farm labour and public transportation labour to be labour?
Nowhere did I say that, but I guess using straw man is what you’re going to go with here. Clearly not much point trying to continue having this discussion.
you said “people standing around enjoying environments that somebody built is not what depiction of labour looks like” in response to solar-punk art of people doing farm labour
How to say you’ve never set foot on a farm without saying it.