i hate the dnc but my perspective is mostly dont vote for the fascist
How about revising to “vote for the lesser evil”.
Sadly there’s a lot of ignorant and stupid voters out there. It’s fun to watch leopards eat their faces as a bitter consolation prize now that we’re in a full-ass fascist hell.
That disqualifies democrats as well.
Yeah, but Trump does the same. Kamala had better taxes planned for the working class and the poor. Trump also has a very poor track record. You can blame Kamala for not doing it right, but imo the issue is mass disinformation and people being extremily dumb.
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DNC is an enemy of the people.
Sure, they might not be starting concentration camps and sieg heiling. but the actions they have taken have directly enabled the ones who are goose stepping down Pennsylvania avenue.
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DNC has repeatedly refused to listen to the demands on their voters, too, and actively sabotaged candidates the people want to try and force HRC and Harris down our throats… to a massive collective tanking that had nothing to do with their gender, and opening the door to the usurpation of America to foreign powers and money.
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The “nice” style liberals have no tools to fight actual fascists. They’re career politicians. They don’t understand an ideological opponent.
They don’t get that these people will literally demolish governments, throw us into civil wars, and poison the planet for all humanity, rather than feel their power to dominate the weak diminished by one nanoangstrom.
In FPTP, you don’t have much choice but to vote against what you don’t want, but I would argue that it’s still important to vote, so long as that isn’t all that you do.
I’m also living under FPTP, and voted “third party” because I believe a plurality of choices is beneficial, even though our conservative party was scary close to winning… but that’s just how it’ll always end up under FPTP: the right end will get more and more ghoulish until the centrist party is the safest vote in opposition. Together, they both suck up all the votes into the neoliberal duopoly, where neither side meaningfully challenges the underlying conditions that make life worse for increasingly large sections of people.
Anyway, of arguably greater impact than voting is actually figuring out who represents you, and letting them know what’s important to you. Canvassing for candidates who you actually do support. That sort of thing.
Sorry about the little rant. I’m sure you’re aware of this dynamic. I just felt compelled.
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A few posts down in my feed is a photo of children zip tied in immigration court and it is fucking disgusting. There would be other problems in a Harris admin. But maybe we wouldn’t zip tie little kids.
Yeah. The DNC either don’t realise, or refuse to realise, that electing Trump is not in approval of him, but expression of disapproval of the Democratic Party.
It is perfectly fine, in fact it would be incredibly refreshing & welcome, to admit…she was a shitty candidate. Fuck, she was so terribly bad. And Tim Walz was a bad pick, too.
Everything was fake. Every day it unraveled more. She was caught saying things like, “I am different than Biden, I am not Biden, do not let his presidency reflect on me.” What would you do differently? “Nothing, I wouldn’t change anything.” Okay…so…how are you different if everything Biden did was totally great & you wouldn’t do anything differently?? 🤡 Heavily paraphrased, of course, the convos were more detailed (which only made it worse).
It’s fine to say Kamala Harris was a cringe candidate. Completely unwanted, unelected, unqualified. Biden bowed out & the DNC shoved her in; there is no logical reason to continue to own her as your candidate & representative. You don’t bring dead babies to Passover. This is an opportunity to rebrand the Democrat Party, to refocus on issues that actually matter. That is to say…if anyone still gives a goddamn about the issues that actually matter.
Kamala Harris just chooses whatever she thinks will further her career. She chose poorly. She’s just lucky the party was stupid enough to have elevated her to vice president even after her debate performance was so bad that she dropped out before the 2020 presidential race even started. Then the idiotic party elevated her again after Biden (another opportunist piece of garbage who was elevated by the party) was forced to step down after his embarrassing 2024 debate performance was obvious to even deluded party insiders.
If she wasn’t going to be participating in a genocide, then she maybe could have won
The Schumer Strategy. They just can’t give it up no matter how many times it fails. (they will try again)
She is a black women : Minus 500 Points for Gryfindor.
She walks in in a businessdress and looks as intimidating as the mortage lady from the bank: Minus 600 Points for Gryfindor
Her Party is made up from literal Fossils that won’t give up power, even past 80, won’t stop Making money from what seems like Stocktrading on privileged information: Minus 50 Points for Gryfindor.
She is as charismatic as Porridge: Minus 100 Points for Gryfindor.
Seriously fuck the bitch ass american racists and the democratic party that can’t find a good candidate when so much is on the line.
Nobody is willing to say it, but I really think she lost because she’s a woman.
Lol she did not
Damn right Bernie. Kamala and Pete Buttigieg need to GTFO.
Yah they do every time, even when they win. Every side chooses billionaires and Americans alternate being fed up with one side so they vote for the other. Rinse repeat, the rich always win
I’ve been saying it for the past two US election cycles … the US is a one party state with two different organizations representing just one political party.
The Chinese have the Chinese Communist Party
Russia has a ruling class of Oligarchs
The US has the Republican/Democrat Party
All three operate in the same way
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” - Julius Nyerere
“ The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.” - Noam Chomsky
People have been saying it for decades and decades, if not a century or more.
Thanks for that … now I have credible references to attribute this thought.
I knew it wasn’t smart enough to think this, it’s just haven’t read enough to know or see where others have said it before.
Don’t be so down on yourself, you can get to the same conclusion independently
But I do recommend reading Chomsky. Or at least watching some lengthy YouTube videos of him speaking
I do watch and listen to a lot of Chomsky … but the guy has so much content, you’d have to relive his entire life to hear everything he said and read everything he ever wrote. The man is amazing. I just wish he were a lot younger than he is.
It’s all just a form of “divide and conquer.” Their tactics are plain to see if you are looking for them.
The Corporate Oligarchs are the common denominator between the GOP and Democrats. The Democrats, corporate beholden though they are, are preferable merely by not being fascists.
I think they have us stuck between the fire and the frying pan. Once in the frying pan, we are sooo glad not to be in the fire, and we get 4 more years of Dems, while the Republicans secretly march us closer to the cliff. Now their end game, Project 2025 is on fast track to actualization. The Dems make us lazy because we think they’ll help but they don’t. I feel like the Democrats hung us out to dry. I read in the New York Times, a Democrat suggested the best strategy for Trump was for the party to “roll over and play dead.” I translate that as, “the party doesn’t care.” Some party members like AOC show backbone, but the rest of them not so much.
Any arguments they have are about which side should get the booty after shaking down the populace.
This is literally the attitude that allowed the Nazis to take over the German government.
They convinced people that the left and right coalitions that formed the Weimar government made it unstable, indecisive, and corrupt. That made people apathetic about supporting any party or vulnerable to the strong-man image the Nazis used to portray Hitler.
The common denominator to all these scenarios are the wealthy owner corporate class that discreetly shovel money towards the ones they want to win.
The common denominator is that the fascists sowed division so that there could be no unified opposition to them.
I mean the liberals did a pretty good job of sowing division by arming fascist paramilitaries, letting them assassinate socialist leaders with impunity, and running a conservative candidate. When liberals talk about unity, they mean u ifying with them, against the left.
Even if that were true, it all needs to be put aside to unify against the fascists. They pose an existential threat to democracy itself.
“I stand against fascism and want more rights for the common person.” “I am willing to aid fascists when it makes me money or helps win elections”
Yeah let’s unite with them, surely nothing bad will happen.
Nope, nope, nope. One is dismantling our government right now, stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others, cutting medicaid, giving the wealthy more tax breaks and are generally racist af. The other is not doing any of those things.
The other is not doing any of those things.
stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others
Respectfully, that may be your perception of the Biden administration but its mostly not true. Biden arguably did not cut medicaid or reduce taxes for the wealthy, but thats where your perceptions start running into facts that show differently than you’d think. This is also part of why everyone is mad at the DNC.
- stopping aid to the world: Biden stopped funding UNRWA in Jan 2024 after Israel accused the UN of being a Hamas organization and cited 12 names. They never provided any proof. Trump did go on to cut USAID funding. UNRWA operated in Jordan, Syria, Labanon, west jerusalem, gaza and the west bank.
Furthermore, Bidens proposed 2025 budget would have made cuts to aid globally, including cuts to AIDS relief. It also proposed cuts to social security.
https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=how+much+aid+funding+did+biden+cut&oe=UTF-8
- wanting to make GAZA into a resort: Gaza was leveled under Bidens watch, and redevelopment plans were also underway on his watch. Trumps clownery was just a continuation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815
“Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront” from Mar 12 2024, on Bidens watch.
They sold that gaza land off in real estate gatherings in New York, New Jersey and other US cities, which was blatently illegal and all done on Bidens watch, with him not lifting a finger to stop it.
- deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others “No Fair Day: Damning New Report Reveals the Biden Administration’s Unlawful Treatment of Children in Immigration Courts” from Dec 14, 2023.
"Children make up a significant number of those facing removal proceedings. In the first five months of Fiscal Year 2022, almost one third of all new cases in immigration court involved children, including tens of thousands of children under the age of five. "
In short, Biden was a bad democrat, and a bad human being. Always has been, but people saw what they wanted and respected the D by his name.
The democrats excel at standing still, while the republicans always move right. They fit together like corporate peanut butter and jelly.
Rachet theory. R moves one direction; D refuses to move in the other.
It’s not entirely false, but it’s also not the whole story. Voting D is better than staying home. It might not be better than direct action – but given the size of the voting window, it’s probably not completely eclipsed by your activism. (If it is, watch out for the FBI and keep working for a better world, comrade.)
Of course the Democratic Party wants to turn Gaza into a resort. Where have you been?
I love how a bunch of people who couldn’t point to Gaza in a map are making that their sole political concern.
The gaza otcomes broadly indicative of how the party functions.
Beyond that, do you even realize that the gaza issue has almost single handedly destroyed the concept of the western world order?
Both parties have had the same policy on Gaza for decades, so I don’t see the relevance. It was just easier to ignore a slow genocide than a fast one.
Well if we are going to get a better outcome we’ll have to demand it. They dont just need donor money to win, they need votes.
Yes, we have one party here. But so does America. Except, with typical extravagance, they have two of them!
- Julius Nyerere, first Prime Minister / President of Tanzania
(Actual attribution of this quote is possibly in dispute, but I’ve seen it many times)
I’d rather have a one party state under a communist party than a two party state under two capitalist parties. In both cases it’s immediately obvious who these parties serve, in China, it’s the people and society, in the U.S., it’s the billionaires and capitalist class.
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Allowing media to be monopolized might be a bigger issue
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not I. One does not support the middle class enough but still does stuff like regulation and tries to improve healthcare, the environment, and other aspects of the country and the other tears it apart. One side is freindly with billionaires and the other is their whore.
Look I ain’t voting for the Republicans either but I ain’t gonna pretend the DNC is on my side. That said, my vote is absolutely irrelevant. I live in a blue bastion state and our backwards election systems guarantee my vote is worthless. The whole game is set up to fuck over the working class and promote the interests of the wealthy.
Both sides are the capitalists whores, one uses honey and the other vinegar to catch voters.
Sure but to his point you and everyone else on here are in the minority. About 1/3rd vote Democrat consistently, and about 1/3rd vote Republican consistently. The remaining 3rd are the ones that flip flop between elections and unfortunately they’re the ones that actually determine the outcome (although in reality it’s more like 1/4th in each category with a final 4th that just doesn’t vote). Lastly for the pedants these are all very rough approximations of the numbers involved, for instance the real percentage that doesn’t vote is actually closer to 40%.
I’m so sick of winning.
There’s more than two parties the US
Honey, you and I both know that FPTP makes that totally irrelevant
There are only two viable parties.
Telling too that the Democratic leadership said after the fact that one of the reasons they lost was that they relied too much on small donators instead of billionaire donators. Disgusting
Weren’t they the ones touting their ‘largest warchest ever’ sometime around Harris taking up the mantle last year?
They were. Where’s that money now?
The war chest was campaign money for the biden/harris ticket, so if they went with someone who wasn’t on the ticket they couldn’t spend the money.
This was the convenient excuse they manufactured so they could appear as though their hands were tied when just running biden again, and then kamala when that failed.
She burned through something like a billion and a half dollars if I remember right. She gave a shitload to rich celebrity endorsements.
This in particular pissed me off. Soon as the news broke, here’s me:
“Are you fucking kidding me?! You make the rich celebrities pay YOU, not the other way around. If they have to be paid to endorse you, then they aren’t fucking endorsing you. They’re making their down payment on bribery!”
Gotta love how they got rich by losing, and the American people are poorer than ever with Trump’s victory…
In the pockets of consultants
Which of course means they’ve learned absolutely nothing, and we can look forward to more of the same awful messaging and misguided/corrupt representation next time.
Dems need to be replaced with a new party, I know FPTP is a challenge but the alternatives are worse.
I’d bet 20 bucks right now that the DNC will figure out some way to lose the midterms as well.
as someone who has been a dem my whole life, I agree. I feel like my political party has completely failed me, but at least for now, it’s the strongest form of defense we have against Fascism in our country, so I’m kind of stuck here.
I agree with replacing the Dems, but are you meaning to say the alternatives to FPTP are worse? FPTP is the reason we are in the situation we are in imo.
Not at all, I’m saying the alternatives to not dismantling FPTP to enable new parties are worse. As in, we have got to get rid of it and elect an actual populist on the left, or the Dems and Repugs will bring about the end of the American empire through unbridled greed.
Clearly the problem is they were too woke 😔
Hate seeing this shit… “Democrats went way too far left with the pronouns stuff, so people overcorrected.”
Fucking bullshit. They don’t know what “left” means anymore.
They even tried going after minorities, it was fucking appalling.
What does this comment mean?
Trying to say giving any attention to these issues is why they lost, despite the fact that these were barely topics bought up by Kamala or Biden or any political figure.
tl;dr: Transcapegoating.
Harris just disappeared, has zero interest in actually being a leader, has zero interest in spearheading a democratic movement, is doing jack shit to help make this transition easier through good will projects, she literally doing nothing, yet I’ve started getting please gib money texts with her name on them again… maybe if she hadn’t pulled a vanishing act we could at least talk but like, wtf is she even doing that she needs my money? I don’t even live in her state.
Last I read she was “mulling over” the idea of running for governor of California next year.
Fuck everyone who voted for joe biden in the 2020 primary.
War criminals would be wise to disappear before the plebs rise up
the downvotes here is very interesting, its a larger than typical amt than i see normally.
i dont think this is coming from an anti revolutionary place, i think it might be because you ‘called’ democrats war crims, maybe its the “pleb” word that some are taking as anti worker…
idk maybe im just wrong and think lemmy is more revolutionary than it actually is.
lemmy.world hates when you call out their favorite war criminal.
Your downvotes indicate to me that there’s probably one user who doesn’t understand what Downvote buttons are for and has several sock puppet accounts
This getting downvoted is a fucking shame.
