I just assume they had a bad day and can’t afford headphones or they broke or whatever. I dunno. When someone goes something annoying around me I just assume they need to do that annoying thing to regulate and help themselves deal with this absolutely hellish world we live in.
Holy shit I had no idea Hexbear had become Reactionary Reddit 2.0. How disappointing no wonder all the cool posters left
I really struggle to understand how anyone who is this angry about other people existing in their world in slightly annoying ways considers themselves leftist. Community means dealing with other people. It means dealing with the good and with the bad. Someone listening to something without headphones isn’t stepping on anyone’s toes. They aren’t hurting anyone. They aren’t stopping anyone from doing anything or exploiting anyone or taking anything from anyone. Honestly shocked as hell that anyone on this community would be so up in arms about such a mildly annoying thing. “Other people do thing I don’t like and I think they should be killed for it” is the kind of shit rich boomers say. And yet here we are. Not sure how rich boomer mentality became prevalent on Hexbear
Someone listening to something without headphones isn’t stepping on anyone’s toes. They aren’t hurting anyone.
That’s not true though, it absolutely can be overstimulating particularly when multiple people are doing it or if they’re scrolling reels or whatever and the sound is changing every few seconds.
That’s a two way street though. I got to put up with you being mildly annoying and in exchange you have to conform to social norms to not be VERY annoying or downright disruptive.
And yes playing very loud music in a crowded confined space with people who have not choice but to be there is VERY annoying. This is different than boomers calling the cops on some people having a party two doors down. You can close your curtains, put on a white noise machine, you have some options to mitigate that. Unless they’re being SO LOUD that they’re bypassing all those mitigations in which case I’d say yeah you have some grounds to complain. I don’t really have any means to mitigate someone blasting music on the bus, I’m stuck in here with them till my stop, unless you expect me to bring ear plugs with me every time I leave the house.
That’s a two way street though. I got to put up with you being mildly annoying and in exchange you have to conform to social norms to not be VERY annoying or downright disruptive.
Yeah, and I’ve heard from people in collectivist societies that social norms and expectations tend to be firmly regulated. At some point, “live and let live” just leads to hidden resentment and passive agression
You can read a million and one accounts of communes and whatnot that tried to be all libertarian about everything, but then people kept having conflicts requiring the commune to implement rules and more rules to the point the commune’s rules felt more restrictive than living in regular society.
Yeah while there are certainly bad ones, a lot of pedestrian rules of politeness exist for a reason. I’m not exactly an anthropologist but if anything the reading I’ve done on pre/non-capitalist societies seems to suggest if anything they were MORE obsessed with politeness and decorum, you could argue modern society is if anything DEGRADING our sense of common courtesy.
Literally reactionary conservative viewpoints on Hexbear and people are cheering for it. What the fuck is going on.
I will literally never confirm to social norms because social norms where I live say that me and all of my comrades shouldn’t exist. Fuck you and every single person who tries to shove me and my comrades into your shitty “social norms”
Imagine conflating “I don’t want to hear someone’s music” to “I’m going to say actively hateful and harmful and triggering words”. What the fuck is wrong with you. Why would you assume I am going to go out of my way to start hurting my comrades or defend people who hurt my comrades
You’re literally doing reactionary individualism. Everyone is a neoliberal subject floating in a sea of individuals, there’s no social obligations to anyone around you and you can do anything you feel like. Everyone is sovereign!
Except, what happens when everyone blasts their phone speakers all at the same time?
The only way using speakers in public works is by relying on everyone else to follow the social norms and not blast their own speakers, competing for the limited soundspace we share in public. If everyone was blasting all the time our public spaces would be a nightmare, people like me who can get overstimulated would basically be forced out of public life - and no, ear plugs don’t fix it.
You do have an obligation to your community and the people around you. Noise pollution is antisocial.
Absolutely ridiculous nonsense. Policing harmless behavior around us is what’s actually antisocial, but sure I’m the reactionary for maybe suggesting to have a little kindness and patience for the people in your community. Being kind to each other is actually reactionary now
I literally just want people not to blast their fucking music or videos from their phone speakers on my 1.5 hour commute in a sardine tin on wheels that I have no choice but to take to get my medicine. It’s really, really, really not a big ask. It’s not. It certainly isn’t worth whatever this meltdown is that you’re having about…being asked to not be loud around strangers who are compelled to be around you? What in the world is this?
That’s a groundwater hazard, but there’s definitely a line that shouldn’t be crossed. Things that don’t bring harm to people, animals, or the environment, no matter how annoying, shouldn’t be ostracized. I don’t like it when people stim by making noises because I have very sensitive hearing and it makes it impossible for me to think, but I’d never think to tell them off for it, I just live with it or remove myself from the situation when possible.
I just assume they had a bad day and can’t afford headphones or they broke or whatever. I dunno. When someone goes something annoying around me I just assume they need to do that annoying thing to regulate and help themselves deal with this absolutely hellish world we live in.
Holy shit I had no idea Hexbear had become Reactionary Reddit 2.0. How disappointing no wonder all the cool posters left
having a bad day doesn’t excuse being shitty to everyone else around in a confined space they can’t freely leave.
We all gotta do what we all gotta do to survive. Live and let live
the asshole stepping on everyone’s toes is not “letting live”
I really struggle to understand how anyone who is this angry about other people existing in their world in slightly annoying ways considers themselves leftist. Community means dealing with other people. It means dealing with the good and with the bad. Someone listening to something without headphones isn’t stepping on anyone’s toes. They aren’t hurting anyone. They aren’t stopping anyone from doing anything or exploiting anyone or taking anything from anyone. Honestly shocked as hell that anyone on this community would be so up in arms about such a mildly annoying thing. “Other people do thing I don’t like and I think they should be killed for it” is the kind of shit rich boomers say. And yet here we are. Not sure how rich boomer mentality became prevalent on Hexbear
This is just not true
That’s not true though, it absolutely can be overstimulating particularly when multiple people are doing it or if they’re scrolling reels or whatever and the sound is changing every few seconds.
Reasonable accommodations for the disabled? What’s that?
That’s a two way street though. I got to put up with you being mildly annoying and in exchange you have to conform to social norms to not be VERY annoying or downright disruptive.
And yes playing very loud music in a crowded confined space with people who have not choice but to be there is VERY annoying. This is different than boomers calling the cops on some people having a party two doors down. You can close your curtains, put on a white noise machine, you have some options to mitigate that. Unless they’re being SO LOUD that they’re bypassing all those mitigations in which case I’d say yeah you have some grounds to complain. I don’t really have any means to mitigate someone blasting music on the bus, I’m stuck in here with them till my stop, unless you expect me to bring ear plugs with me every time I leave the house.
Yeah, and I’ve heard from people in collectivist societies that social norms and expectations tend to be firmly regulated. At some point, “live and let live” just leads to hidden resentment and passive agression
You can read a million and one accounts of communes and whatnot that tried to be all libertarian about everything, but then people kept having conflicts requiring the commune to implement rules and more rules to the point the commune’s rules felt more restrictive than living in regular society.
Yeah while there are certainly bad ones, a lot of pedestrian rules of politeness exist for a reason. I’m not exactly an anthropologist but if anything the reading I’ve done on pre/non-capitalist societies seems to suggest if anything they were MORE obsessed with politeness and decorum, you could argue modern society is if anything DEGRADING our sense of common courtesy.
Literally reactionary conservative viewpoints on Hexbear and people are cheering for it. What the fuck is going on.
I will literally never confirm to social norms because social norms where I live say that me and all of my comrades shouldn’t exist. Fuck you and every single person who tries to shove me and my comrades into your shitty “social norms”
I look forward to your posts never containing a content warning, and for you to start using ableist slurs in every other word
Because this site has SEVERAL VERY STRICTLY ENFORCED SOCIAL NORMS. Norms I feel make this community safe and fun to participate in.
You sound like an anarcho-bedtimeist.
Imagine conflating “I don’t want to hear someone’s music” to “I’m going to say actively hateful and harmful and triggering words”. What the fuck is wrong with you. Why would you assume I am going to go out of my way to start hurting my comrades or defend people who hurt my comrades
You’re literally doing reactionary individualism. Everyone is a neoliberal subject floating in a sea of individuals, there’s no social obligations to anyone around you and you can do anything you feel like. Everyone is sovereign!
Except, what happens when everyone blasts their phone speakers all at the same time?
The only way using speakers in public works is by relying on everyone else to follow the social norms and not blast their own speakers, competing for the limited soundspace we share in public. If everyone was blasting all the time our public spaces would be a nightmare, people like me who can get overstimulated would basically be forced out of public life - and no, ear plugs don’t fix it.
You do have an obligation to your community and the people around you. Noise pollution is antisocial.
Absolutely ridiculous nonsense. Policing harmless behavior around us is what’s actually antisocial, but sure I’m the reactionary for maybe suggesting to have a little kindness and patience for the people in your community. Being kind to each other is actually reactionary now
I literally just want people not to blast their fucking music or videos from their phone speakers on my 1.5 hour commute in a sardine tin on wheels that I have no choice but to take to get my medicine. It’s really, really, really not a big ask. It’s not. It certainly isn’t worth whatever this meltdown is that you’re having about…being asked to not be loud around strangers who are compelled to be around you? What in the world is this?
There are good social norms and bad social norms.
The norms that say being gay is wrong are bad.
The norms saying you shouldn’t whip your dick out in public are good.
I wouldn’t want to live on a world with NO social norms. Such a society couldn’t function at all.
this very site has norms. so much for left unity!
just fucking use headphones its not a big deal. they cost like $5
Exactly! Bring headphones and you don’t have to hear them
we’re using norm imprecisely here. folkways, mores (pronounced like morays), and laws are different.
Annoyance is the price to pay for community.
How MUCH annoyance? At what point does annoyance cross into disruption?
Is me having like 20 dogs but refusing to clean up their shit from by backyard to the point neighbors five doors down can smell it an “annoyance”?
That’s a groundwater hazard, but there’s definitely a line that shouldn’t be crossed. Things that don’t bring harm to people, animals, or the environment, no matter how annoying, shouldn’t be ostracized. I don’t like it when people stim by making noises because I have very sensitive hearing and it makes it impossible for me to think, but I’d never think to tell them off for it, I just live with it or remove myself from the situation when possible.
Personally I would have just lowered the speakers and held it in my ear if I was desperate enough to listen to any music
Also you can get corded earbuds for like 5 bucks at Walmart.
Those earbuds aren’t even worth 50 cents. Phone speaker held to ear will sound better
I think I got my earbuds for like $17 at Best Buy and they’re fine.
17 bucks is about the baseline for decent wired headphones IMO.