Literally reactionary conservative viewpoints on Hexbear and people are cheering for it. What the fuck is going on.
I will literally never confirm to social norms because social norms where I live say that me and all of my comrades shouldn’t exist. Fuck you and every single person who tries to shove me and my comrades into your shitty “social norms”
You’re literally doing reactionary individualism. Everyone is a neoliberal subject floating in a sea of individuals, there’s no social obligations to anyone around you and you can do anything you feel like. Everyone is sovereign!
Except, what happens when everyone blasts their phone speakers all at the same time?
The only way using speakers in public works is by relying on everyone else to follow the social norms and not blast their own speakers, competing for the limited soundspace we share in public. If everyone was blasting all the time our public spaces would be a nightmare, people like me who can get overstimulated would basically be forced out of public life - and no, ear plugs don’t fix it.
You do have an obligation to your community and the people around you. Noise pollution is antisocial.
Absolutely ridiculous nonsense. Policing harmless behavior around us is what’s actually antisocial, but sure I’m the reactionary for maybe suggesting to have a little kindness and patience for the people in your community. Being kind to each other is actually reactionary now
IT’S NOT HARMLESS! Subjecting people to excessive stimulation in an enclosed space when they’re just trying to get home from their long ass day at work is harmful, even if only in a very minor way. The same way me letting my dog shit on your yard is harmful. Yeah sure it ain’t going to kill you but it’s going to have a negative effect on your day.
Being kind to each other is actually reactionary now
I mean, the people who want to listen to music on the bus could be kind by buying some earbuds? Why is the feelings of the music enjoyers the only ones who matter here? What about the people who just want a quiet ride back to their house? Do their feelings not matter?
I don’t think people should be executed for being annoying at all, OP was clearly being hyperbolic, even if excessively so.
I do think blaring music in enclosed spaces exceeded “mildly annoying” into “majorly annoying and actually uncomfortable to some people” and therefore is dickish behavior that should be discouraged.
Please actually respond to what I am saying here and don’t just brag about how awesome you are for having the “objectively correct” opinion or kindly fuck off.
Imagine conflating “I don’t want to hear someone’s music” to “I’m going to say actively hateful and harmful and triggering words”. What the fuck is wrong with you. Why would you assume I am going to go out of my way to start hurting my comrades or defend people who hurt my comrades
Why do you keep dishonestly framing this as people just hating music? It’s people playing it loudly in an enclosed space. If I hid a bunch of Bluetooth speakers in your house and started playing Death Metal at full blast 24/7 could I just be like “WOW SORRY YOU DON’T LIKE LISTENING TO SOME TUNES YOU REACTIONARY!”
Probably because you and others are dishonesty framing my opinion of “I think we should be kind to each other” as if I’m saying society should have no rules and everyone should be free to hurt each other as much as they want
Is not subjecting your fellow bus passengers to excessive noise not an act of kindness? You seem to be analyzing this whole thing from one perspective to the total neglect of the other. I’d argue being deprived of music for a bit is far less worse of a fate than being subjected to over-stimulation, and you don’t even need to be deprived of music by simply getting some earbuds or headphones, and then everyone is happy!
You literally aren’t reading my posts. Which is weird because they’re so short but fair because there’s zero chance I’m reading your novels of bullshit
No I’m reading your posts just fine, I think you just had a bad take and are now realizing it and flailing to find some defense. Anyway you could just answer the question: Is not subjecting your fellow bus passengers to excessive noise not an act of kindness?
Everyone always falls on the “you won’t engage with my bad faith screed and that means you know you’re wrong.” Which is weird. I’m objectively correct that it is good and social to be nice to other people and literally nobody will ever change my mind on that. If you think that’s somehow an incorrect viewpoint I dunno what to tell you. Not sure why I would ever seriously engage with anyone telling me to be actively hostile to the people in my community. I won’t
I literally just want people not to blast their fucking music or videos from their phone speakers on my 1.5 hour commute in a sardine tin on wheels that I have no choice but to take to get my medicine. It’s really, really, really not a big ask. It’s not. It certainly isn’t worth whatever this meltdown is that you’re having about…being asked to not be loud around strangers who are compelled to be around you? What in the world is this?
but what if i don’t want to listen to anything and just want to zone out? why should i have to go out of my way to drown you out? you’re the one making noise, keep it to yourself
Because where this actually ends is people like you calling cops or security on people and putting their life in danger. If it bothers you, ask them to turn it down. This exact same logic is what leads to sweeps. “I should be able to go into my local park without people blasting music.” And when you follow up with what should be done it always ends in removing the people.
Not to mention you are calling to murder these people. Even if hyperbolic - It’s a gross display of hatred against people you claim to be in solidarity with. If you’re only in solidarity with people who don’t annoy, bother, or inconvenience you - that’s not solidarity.
You should leave here and search [city name] sucks into any social media. They’ll be right with you over there.
“I should be able to go into my local park without people blasting music.”
This is a thread about public transportation. If you want to listen to music in the park, I can avoid you if it bothers me. I cannot avoid you on my bus route to the pharmacy. Do you understand?
Literally reactionary conservative viewpoints on Hexbear and people are cheering for it. What the fuck is going on.
I will literally never confirm to social norms because social norms where I live say that me and all of my comrades shouldn’t exist. Fuck you and every single person who tries to shove me and my comrades into your shitty “social norms”
You’re literally doing reactionary individualism. Everyone is a neoliberal subject floating in a sea of individuals, there’s no social obligations to anyone around you and you can do anything you feel like. Everyone is sovereign!
Except, what happens when everyone blasts their phone speakers all at the same time?
The only way using speakers in public works is by relying on everyone else to follow the social norms and not blast their own speakers, competing for the limited soundspace we share in public. If everyone was blasting all the time our public spaces would be a nightmare, people like me who can get overstimulated would basically be forced out of public life - and no, ear plugs don’t fix it.
You do have an obligation to your community and the people around you. Noise pollution is antisocial.
Absolutely ridiculous nonsense. Policing harmless behavior around us is what’s actually antisocial, but sure I’m the reactionary for maybe suggesting to have a little kindness and patience for the people in your community. Being kind to each other is actually reactionary now
IT’S NOT HARMLESS! Subjecting people to excessive stimulation in an enclosed space when they’re just trying to get home from their long ass day at work is harmful, even if only in a very minor way. The same way me letting my dog shit on your yard is harmful. Yeah sure it ain’t going to kill you but it’s going to have a negative effect on your day.
I mean, the people who want to listen to music on the bus could be kind by buying some earbuds? Why is the feelings of the music enjoyers the only ones who matter here? What about the people who just want a quiet ride back to their house? Do their feelings not matter?
Why don’t they need to have any kindness or patience for people like me?
Apparently this user thinks people who like to blast music on the bus are the only people who need their preferences considered.
Because you think they should be summarily executed for being slightly annoying
Actually I’d be fine with them being grounded and having their devices taken away.
I’m basically a moderate centrist.
I don’t think people should be executed for being annoying at all, OP was clearly being hyperbolic, even if excessively so.
I do think blaring music in enclosed spaces exceeded “mildly annoying” into “majorly annoying and actually uncomfortable to some people” and therefore is dickish behavior that should be discouraged.
Please actually respond to what I am saying here and don’t just brag about how awesome you are for having the “objectively correct” opinion or kindly fuck off.
I look forward to your posts never containing a content warning, and for you to start using ableist slurs in every other word
Because this site has SEVERAL VERY STRICTLY ENFORCED SOCIAL NORMS. Norms I feel make this community safe and fun to participate in.
You sound like an anarcho-bedtimeist.
Imagine conflating “I don’t want to hear someone’s music” to “I’m going to say actively hateful and harmful and triggering words”. What the fuck is wrong with you. Why would you assume I am going to go out of my way to start hurting my comrades or defend people who hurt my comrades
Why do you keep dishonestly framing this as people just hating music? It’s people playing it loudly in an enclosed space. If I hid a bunch of Bluetooth speakers in your house and started playing Death Metal at full blast 24/7 could I just be like “WOW SORRY YOU DON’T LIKE LISTENING TO SOME TUNES YOU REACTIONARY!”
Probably because you and others are dishonesty framing my opinion of “I think we should be kind to each other” as if I’m saying society should have no rules and everyone should be free to hurt each other as much as they want
Is not subjecting your fellow bus passengers to excessive noise not an act of kindness? You seem to be analyzing this whole thing from one perspective to the total neglect of the other. I’d argue being deprived of music for a bit is far less worse of a fate than being subjected to over-stimulation, and you don’t even need to be deprived of music by simply getting some earbuds or headphones, and then everyone is happy!
You literally aren’t reading my posts. Which is weird because they’re so short but fair because there’s zero chance I’m reading your novels of bullshit
No I’m reading your posts just fine, I think you just had a bad take and are now realizing it and flailing to find some defense. Anyway you could just answer the question: Is not subjecting your fellow bus passengers to excessive noise not an act of kindness?
Everyone always falls on the “you won’t engage with my bad faith screed and that means you know you’re wrong.” Which is weird. I’m objectively correct that it is good and social to be nice to other people and literally nobody will ever change my mind on that. If you think that’s somehow an incorrect viewpoint I dunno what to tell you. Not sure why I would ever seriously engage with anyone telling me to be actively hostile to the people in my community. I won’t
Playing 90s EDM from a tinny phone speaker loud enough to annoy fellow passengers on public transport is praxis.
Being annoyed because someone is playing low fidelity ragtime music while I’m on my morning commute is counter-revolutionary
I literally just want people not to blast their fucking music or videos from their phone speakers on my 1.5 hour commute in a sardine tin on wheels that I have no choice but to take to get my medicine. It’s really, really, really not a big ask. It’s not. It certainly isn’t worth whatever this meltdown is that you’re having about…being asked to not be loud around strangers who are compelled to be around you? What in the world is this?
There are good social norms and bad social norms.
The norms that say being gay is wrong are bad.
The norms saying you shouldn’t whip your dick out in public are good.
I wouldn’t want to live on a world with NO social norms. Such a society couldn’t function at all.
this very site has norms. so much for left unity!
just fucking use headphones its not a big deal. they cost like $5
Exactly! Bring headphones and you don’t have to hear them
but what if i don’t want to listen to anything and just want to zone out? why should i have to go out of my way to drown you out? you’re the one making noise, keep it to yourself
Because where this actually ends is people like you calling cops or security on people and putting their life in danger. If it bothers you, ask them to turn it down. This exact same logic is what leads to sweeps. “I should be able to go into my local park without people blasting music.” And when you follow up with what should be done it always ends in removing the people.
Not to mention you are calling to murder these people. Even if hyperbolic - It’s a gross display of hatred against people you claim to be in solidarity with. If you’re only in solidarity with people who don’t annoy, bother, or inconvenience you - that’s not solidarity.
You should leave here and search [city name] sucks into any social media. They’ll be right with you over there.
This is a thread about public transportation. If you want to listen to music in the park, I can avoid you if it bothers me. I cannot avoid you on my bus route to the pharmacy. Do you understand?
Forest meet trees
we’re using norm imprecisely here. folkways, mores (pronounced like morays), and laws are different.