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Not sure if they caved or opened their holes
But they got a “promise” on a vote later.
I mean can you blame them? They dug their heels in and said we’re are only going to compromise if they give into our health care demands.
The Republicans said no to this so the shutdown began. They were about to find a compromise, but suddenly the Republicans said no again (Trumpy wants to play replace Romney Care again)
This is when you have to cave, when you don’t get what you want and nothing was resolved. After all, after 10+ years with nothing to replace it the Republicans have got to be allowed some more time.
They held out until the election was over. They had the voters behind them on this and naturally betrayed them immediately as soon as they got what they wanted.
They had the voters behind them on this
Did you even read your own source? <5% of registered dems blamed the dems, and ~21% of registered independents.
https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/53352-are-people-changing-their-minds-about-the-shutdown
Americans are divided in who they blame more for the shutdown: In a choice between congressional Democrats and congressional Republicans, 32% blame Democrats most, 35% Republicans, and 28% both equally. Compared to when we asked this question in the October 17 - 20 Economist / YouGov survey, the share blaming mostly Republicans has fallen 4 percentage points and the share blaming both sides equally has gone up by 4 points.
A shutdown, furthermore, that most voters were against to begin with.
I’m happy that the Dems held out. Hell, I’m happy that the majority is still holding out, despite those breaking ranks looking to undermine the effort. But that’s not the same as pretending we are the fucking majority
We can all agree shithole politicians caused this shutdown.
Funny that you didn’t post the parts immediately before and after that snippet. Before:
A YouGov survey released Friday found 32 percent of respondents blame Democrats for the shutdown, while 35 percent fault Republicans and 28 percent say both parties are equally responsible.
After:
But over the past month, net approval for how parties are handling the shutdown has worsened for both President Trump (-21 to -27) and congressional Republicans (-23 to -27). Net approval for congressional Democrats has stayed low but mostly unchanged (-25 to -26) since October, according to YouGov.
You’re just hyper-focusing on the part that you find rhetorically convenient. More people still blamed the Republicans and support for the Republicans’s handling of the shutdown was falling faster.
A shutdown, furthermore, that most voters were against to begin with.
Lmao did you just provide more evidence to undermine your own position?
Who would you blame more if there is a shutdown of the federal government at the end of the month, the Democrats in Congress, Donald Trump and the Republicans in Congress or both equally? Or have you not heard enough to say?
Democrats in Congress 19%
Donald Trump and the Republicans in Congress 26%
Grow a spine.
You’re just hyper-focusing on the part that you find rhetorically convenient. More people still blamed the Republicans and support for the Republicans’s handling of the shutdown was falling faster.
“More people blamed the Republicans, but most people are not in support of the shutdown and the numbers for the Dems are worsening”
Yes, clearly this contradicts what I initially commented.
Go back to remedial literacy. Get a passing grade this time, if you can understand which of the funny symbols that is.
Lmao did you just provide more evidence to undermine your own position?
I’m sorry that you’re illiterate.
Grow a spine.
Grow a brain, or a sense of morality. But pro-genocide bootlickers like you revel in the deaths of minorities, if only it’s done by the fascists wearing the right team colors. That’s why you deny the Uyghur Genocide, after all.
But pro-genocide bootlickers like you revel in the deaths of minorities, if only it’s done by the fascists wearing the right team colors
Looked in a mirror lately?
I don’t support any genocide, the way you do.
Looked in a mirror lately?
This you, denialist bootlicker?
I don’t support any genocide, the way you do.
You’re right, because I don’t support genocide. We are clearly very far apart on that matter.
Sorry that I’ve been calling out Palestinian genocide for over a decade. I know that’s terribly inconvenient for bootlickers like you who desperately want others to be your mirror image. I’m sorry that my position on genocide isn’t determined by team colors.
You just defend the worst actions of democrats no matter what they do.
So no response to actual evidence that the voters weren’t behind them, cool.
I guess your inner Republican craves ‘truthiness’ over truth, huh?
I don’t support the 8 Dems who broke ranks, but that’s fucking different from pretending that this was a popular shutdown.
So no response to actual evidence that the voters weren’t behind them, cool.
You’re not owed interaction on your terms. You’re not entitled to a debate, sea lion.
I don’t support the 8 Dems who broke ranks
You are by making excuses for their actions. And I don’t believe for an instant that you don’t support this. You had your one little poll just ready to go for when your wing of the party did what you wanted, just like you spent an entire year supporting them BECAUSE they were selling weapons to netanyahu.
You’re not owed interaction on your terms. You’re not entitled to a debate, sea lion.
lmao
The meaning of Sea Lioning is not “Refutes my points 😭” but “Insists on an engagement by bad faith inquiries”
Engaging with me, and after I presented evidence, not a question, is as far from proving me a Sea Lion as you can get.
Sorry that refuting your bullshit hurt your feelings.
You are by making excuses for their actions.
Where did I excuse their actions?
And I don’t believe for an instant that you don’t support this.
lmao
You had your one little poll just ready to go for when your wing of the party did what you wanted,
lmao
just like you spent an entire year supporting them BECAUSE they were selling weapons to netanyahu.
Fucking lmao.
I’ve been calling out Israeli genocide and advocating against all US aid for Israel for longer than Lemmy has existed, but go off, I guess.
The meaning of Sea Lioning is not “Refutes my points 😭” but “Insists on an engagement by bad faith inquiries”
Yes. Which is what you were doing.
Where did I excuse their actions?
By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.
I’ve been calling out Israeli genocide and advocating against all US aid for Israel for longer than Lemmy has existed, but go off, I guess.
And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won. Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.
Yes. Which is what you were doing.
You think that… citing a source… and saying that you are incorrect… is a question.
And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.
… fucking what.
By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.
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I don’t ‘know better’, as public discontent over the shutdown is serious. I fear the backlash from the shutdown. I support the shutdown continuing for the dual reasons of the inhumanity of the GOP proposal and the fact that the backlash from GOP cuts might be worse in the long run not because I believe the shutdown is some massively popular issue at the moment. Some 70% of the electorate didn’t want the Dems to pull the trigger on the shutdown - I’m glad they did anyway! But that’s really fucking different from pretending that there’s mass support for the issue.
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At no point was justification offered for the eight Dems who broke ranks; only that the notion that they had the voters ‘behind them’ was ridiculous by the numbers.
And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.
Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist™ like yourself could never forgive. Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won.
What the fuck?
Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.
Lord.
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They fucking caved. And they are now fucking traitors. And there is only one option for a traitor fuck.
The 8 who caved: Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania Sen. Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia Sen. Angus King of Maine Sen. Jacky Rosen of Nevada Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire
Not familiar with the last two, but all the rest are amongst the most frequent collaborators with the fascists, usually COMPLETELY contrary to the wishes and needs of their constituencies.
They must all be primaried as soon as possible, if not recalled where that’s available!
Fuck them all. Especially Kaine and Fetterman.
But they HAD to! The shutdown was so UNPOPULAR that democrats all LOST in the most recent election!
/s not because the sarcasm isn’t obvious, but because I don’t trust centrists to not ignore the sarcasm on purpose.
The shutdown was so UNPOPULAR that democrats all LOST in the most recent election!
If you think that the FEDERAL shutdown was a major issue for the Mayor of New York City (who had been leading in the polls for months) and the governorship of New Jersey and Virginia (where the polls had also been clear since before the shutdown), you’re out of your gourd.
Or bullshitting in bad faith, as per usual.
If you think that the FEDERAL shutdown was a major issue for the Mayor of New York City (who had been leading in the polls for months) and the governorship of New Jersey and Virginia (where the polls had also been clear since before the shutdown), you’re out of your gourd.
If you think that the voters didn’t respond well to a party that was finally pretending to start stand up for them, you have no idea how branding works. Well, at least they capitulated like they do on everything but genocide support, so healthcare subsidies are going away. So it’s a win for you. Democrats existing brand, the one everyone but centrists like you were pissed off about, is maintained.
If you think that the voters didn’t respond well to a party that was finally pretending to start stand up for them, you have no idea how branding works.
The same voters who increasingly blamed the Dems for the shutdown as it’s dragged on?
I’m sorry that you live in a fantasy land instead of the real world. I understand that the reality-based community is deeply offensive to you.
The same voters who increasingly blamed the Dems for the shutdown as it’s dragged on?
I suppose we’ll see if capitulation makes them more popular.
I’m sorry that you live in a fantasy land instead of the real world.
Says the guy who is trying to convince people that capitulation is a good thing after the party was rewarded for standing its ground.
fetterman isnt surprising he made pretty known like a year now. the other 8-10 dinos felt safe to come out of the woodwork to show them they are really DINOS.
Yeah, that’s why fuck him especially. He’s been a piece of shit for a while.
yes, we give them all of our money.
C’mon guys. The Republicans are totally going to fix healthcare just like they promised in
1993,2002,2008,2010,20162017,2020,2024, The Last Week.Shouldn’t take more than about two weeks.
Please tell me they at least have concepts of a plan
They do. Get rid of the ACA and make you pay for insurance directly with funds they will supposedly give to you based on…TBD.
And yes, it’s true.
They… Went into a tunnel? This is something to do with the USA isn’t it xD
They caved… Bigly.
I thought it was a reference to Ama no Iwato. Amaterasu hid away from the world because she was upset at her brother being an arsehole and fucking people over.
It kind of fit.
The political party they tell you not to worry about:
If the Dems think hiding from voters and endless PR is a strategy, cool, keep it up. Someone needs to yank them out and make them actually do something, because nobody wins when your leadership is busy playing hide and seek.
DEMS dont really have a campaign strategy that is not aoc, bernie, other than riding the coattails of the gop when they do something bad to ruin the economy.
it would be more correct if the cave actually “caved in”
I hear stocks on spelunking equipment are going up.
They some big ass holes
Nah, there’s a light at the end if that “cave”, but not the real one.
You mean the oncoming train about to run over everyone who’s not a rich white Christian fascist man?
