So no response to actual evidence that the voters weren’t behind them, cool.
You’re not owed interaction on your terms. You’re not entitled to a debate, sea lion.
I don’t support the 8 Dems who broke ranks
You are by making excuses for their actions. And I don’t believe for an instant that you don’t support this. You had your one little poll just ready to go for when your wing of the party did what you wanted, just like you spent an entire year supporting them BECAUSE they were selling weapons to netanyahu.
The meaning of Sea Lioning is not “Refutes my points 😭” but “Insists on an engagement by bad faith inquiries”
Yes. Which is what you were doing.
Where did I excuse their actions?
By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.
I’ve been calling out Israeli genocide and advocating against all US aid for Israel for longer than Lemmy has existed, but go off, I guess.
And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won. Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.
You think that… citing a source… and saying that you are incorrect… is a question.
And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.
… fucking what.
By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.
I don’t ‘know better’, as public discontent over the shutdown is serious. I fear the backlash from the shutdown. I support the shutdown continuing for the dual reasons of the inhumanity of the GOP proposal and the fact that the backlash from GOP cuts might be worse in the long run not because I believe the shutdown is some massively popular issue at the moment. Some 70% of the electorate didn’t want the Dems to pull the trigger on the shutdown - I’m glad they did anyway! But that’s really fucking different from pretending that there’s mass support for the issue.
At no point was justification offered for the eight Dems who broke ranks; only that the notion that they had the voters ‘behind them’ was ridiculous by the numbers.
And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.
Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist™ like yourself could never forgive. Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won.
What the fuck?
Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.
And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.
I had no desire to engage on your terms. Since I’m not named netanyahu, you don’t care what I think.
Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist™ like yourself could never forgive.
that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.
Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”
You preferred the murdered minorities over telling netanyahu no.
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won.
What the fuck?
Centrists can’t understand the concept of a mandate from the people.
I had no desire to engage on your terms. Since I’m not named netanyahu, you don’t care what I think.
… you’re literally here, engaging, albeit doing so with subpar literacy and reasoning skills.
that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.
Lord.
You preferred the murdered minorities over telling netanyahu no.
Fucking what.
Do you not understand what I’m saying, or is this non-sequitur intentional?
Or do you think I’m secretly Biden himself?
Centrists can’t understand the concept of a mandate from the people.
… fucking what.
Do you… do you not understand the difference between elections at different levels of government? Do you not understand the concept of popularity and unpopularity enduring from one moment to the next, as with Mamdani’s months-long lead, or are you incapable of conceptualizing anything outside of your immediate moment of consciousness right now?
albeit doing so with subpar literacy and reasoning skills.
There’s some of that abuse I mentioned. You just can’t help yourself.
that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.
Lord.
That’s not a denial.
Do you not understand what I’m saying, or is this non-sequitur intentional?
Understanding it and buying it are two different things.
Or do you think I’m secretly Biden himself?
No, you’re to his right.
Do you… do you not understand the difference between elections at different levels of government?
I do. I also understand that the democrats’ brand was in the toilet because they did what pro-genocide anti-worker anti-healthcare centrists like you wanted for so long. The second it started looking like they were changing for the better and had acquired a spine, they started winning again.
Turns out, no. They were just pretending to have a spine until the polls closed. Yet another shutdown where democrats get nothing because they capitulate like you want.
You just defend the worst actions of democrats no matter what they do.
So no response to actual evidence that the voters weren’t behind them, cool.
I guess your inner Republican craves ‘truthiness’ over truth, huh?
I don’t support the 8 Dems who broke ranks, but that’s fucking different from pretending that this was a popular shutdown.
You’re not owed interaction on your terms. You’re not entitled to a debate, sea lion.
You are by making excuses for their actions. And I don’t believe for an instant that you don’t support this. You had your one little poll just ready to go for when your wing of the party did what you wanted, just like you spent an entire year supporting them BECAUSE they were selling weapons to netanyahu.
lmao
The meaning of Sea Lioning is not “Refutes my points 😭” but “Insists on an engagement by bad faith inquiries”
Engaging with me, and after I presented evidence, not a question, is as far from proving me a Sea Lion as you can get.
Sorry that refuting your bullshit hurt your feelings.
Where did I excuse their actions?
lmao
lmao
Fucking lmao.
I’ve been calling out Israeli genocide and advocating against all US aid for Israel for longer than Lemmy has existed, but go off, I guess.
Yes. Which is what you were doing.
By pretending they had reason to fear continuing the shutdown. You know better.
And then started advocating for those who enabled netanyahu as soon as you made a lemmy account for some reason.
If people were blaming the shutdown on democrats, they would have lost. They won. Now their voters are seeing that they’ve been had. Your wing of the party shamelessly betrayed its voters. Well, they didn’t betray you.
You think that… citing a source… and saying that you are incorrect… is a question.
And you think that responding to me in an argument is me attempting to engage an unwilling participant by use of bad faith inquiries.
… fucking what.
I don’t ‘know better’, as public discontent over the shutdown is serious. I fear the backlash from the shutdown. I support the shutdown continuing for the dual reasons of the inhumanity of the GOP proposal and the fact that the backlash from GOP cuts might be worse in the long run not because I believe the shutdown is some massively popular issue at the moment. Some 70% of the electorate didn’t want the Dems to pull the trigger on the shutdown - I’m glad they did anyway! But that’s really fucking different from pretending that there’s mass support for the issue.
At no point was justification offered for the eight Dems who broke ranks; only that the notion that they had the voters ‘behind them’ was ridiculous by the numbers.
Ah, yes, “Please don’t assist the fascist, he’s literally more pro-Israel than even Biden”, the sin that a Very Real Leftist™ like yourself could never forgive. Any number of murdered minorities, after all, including additional murdered Palestinians, is worth your moral high ground of banging the drum against the great monolith of “The DEMS”
What the fuck?
Lord.
I had no desire to engage on your terms. Since I’m not named netanyahu, you don’t care what I think.
that hasn’t been your messaging. Your messaging has been constant abuse at anyone who doesn’t like genocide for any reason at all.
You preferred the murdered minorities over telling netanyahu no.
Centrists can’t understand the concept of a mandate from the people.
… you’re literally here, engaging, albeit doing so with subpar literacy and reasoning skills.
Lord.
Fucking what.
Do you not understand what I’m saying, or is this non-sequitur intentional?
Or do you think I’m secretly Biden himself?
… fucking what.
Do you… do you not understand the difference between elections at different levels of government? Do you not understand the concept of popularity and unpopularity enduring from one moment to the next, as with Mamdani’s months-long lead, or are you incapable of conceptualizing anything outside of your immediate moment of consciousness right now?
But not on your terms.
There’s some of that abuse I mentioned. You just can’t help yourself.
That’s not a denial.
Understanding it and buying it are two different things.
No, you’re to his right.
I do. I also understand that the democrats’ brand was in the toilet because they did what pro-genocide anti-worker anti-healthcare centrists like you wanted for so long. The second it started looking like they were changing for the better and had acquired a spine, they started winning again.
Turns out, no. They were just pretending to have a spine until the polls closed. Yet another shutdown where democrats get nothing because they capitulate like you want.