Oh, so its actually, factually, Johnson who shut down the government.
Good to know as trivia I guess, not like right wingers are on speaking terms with reality.
I’m curious why the GOP seems to be actively pursuing a shutdown right now, that they have full trilateral control over the Federal Government. Trump already isn’t bothering to staff or govern the administrations they don’t like, it seems like this would only hamper their goals with ICE & DHS, right?
Is there even an actual goal here? Or are they betting on Schumer et al caving at the last possible nanosecond?
Grover Norquist, who founded Americans for Tax Reform in 1985 at the urging of President Reagan, declared in 2001: “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.”
https://theconversation.com/the-shutdown-drowning-government-in-the-bathtub-111333
They are ideologically opposed to the government doing basically anything other than police and military duties, and having the bare minimum legal system required to facilitate criminal convictions for the poor, and the contract emforcement of private business.
Basically, they want the level of government that exists in Night City from Cyberpunk 2077, but probably without mass transit or even public roads.
This is what Rush Limbaugh’s ditto hesds have been told they want for about 40 years, and now they are just doing it.
You can prosecute people for thought crimes snd not being the right sexuality or religion or skin color with this, so, that’s all good with them.
Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas):
There are more mentions of Donald Trump in the Epstein Files than there are House Republicans here in Washington D.C. today.
He gets creepier every day. They’re gonna find bodies under his house.
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Yup, this very much. Mike Johnson can go fuck himself.
Based on the actions he’s taken to cover up for pedophiles, he’s more likely to go fuck a child.
MikeyJ gonna get on Grindr tonight to soothe his fee-fees and his pee-pee
They have no shame.
Except for being on grindr. I’m sure they feel deep shame about being on grindr.
They’re definitely into that though.
Doesn’t he share his masturbatory habits with his son, in a sort of watchfulness pact or something? It’s so very weird.
Given the recent government, a shutdown might be an improvement.
Try turning it off and on again
Their point is that turning it off this time… will remove whatever safeguards were left. What comes back up will be a rooted POS fully under their control.
Anything but the Epstein files… There must be some really juicy stuff in there.
Yes. Evidence of Dump “allegedly” juicing all over some under aged girls with his BFF Epstien
I loved that yesterday Vance claimed that he wanted to work with Dems on not cutting health care, and they should fund the government, then work with the GOP on healthcare.
This guy is such a liar. The GOP absolutely refused to work with the Dems during the creation of the “Big Beautiful Bill,” despite very loud calls to not cut healthcare to fund billionaire tax cuts.
Like much of the administration, incompetence and yesmenship is what you get when you hamfistedly shove a junior statesmen into leadership.
Shit like this is why I spend time volunteering with potential candidates nationwide.
What cracks me up is when they can’t get things done and you always get this. The democrats need to bring us something good enough. Does not matter if they are majority or minority they can’t figure shit by themselves.
Did you want them to rush the podium and eat Mike Johnson alive like a pack of hyenas, then reclaim congress?
Actually I could get behind that.
I’d actually respect them a bit if they did.
Then they’d get the GOPrions
I’m a fan of javelinas myself
A slow mob with spoons.
Great, now I have a new fetish.
At what age do kids typically learn what a compromise is? Anyhow, half the house are below that age, the other above.
aww shit, I wish. They’re doing it knowingly.
But the democrats are the obstructionists?
I mean, NPR said so.
Didn’t they get defunded recently?
CPB did. NPR’s getting by with some billionaire donations.
Democratic leadership in this moment is incredibly bad.
Literally none of the politicians or their donors are suffering because of Republican policies.
In fact, they’re all benefiting from it.
Can you elaborate?
Oh yes, how dare they shutdown the house floors… Oh wait.
Dems are letting us down in many ways, but we leftists also refuse to engage in electoral politics, so we shouldn’t be surprised.
Does my voting for Democrats mean I’m now a capitalist like Nancy Pelosi?
A shutdown is the best case scenario for dems right now.
Only if they don’t cave in the first week. They need to clearly articulate the demands to American people and draw a line in the sand.
If they cave without anything the optics would be terrible.
Shut it down and never reopen
This and unironically. Keep it shutdown till after the mid-terms.
Say you’ll only open the government if Trump steps down and calls for new elections.
This is precisely what good leadership from Dems would be in this moment.
Instead they are getting clowned on after claiming to be “getting through” to Trump in negotiations.
It’s truly pathetic how hard Dems are working to maintain the facade that they aren’t controlled opposition and the government is still somehow functioning. If they worked half as hard for the working class they’d never lose another election in our lifetimes.
At minimum demand the full and unredacted Epstein files
Yes!! Right?
MAKE SOME POLITICAL HAY YOU INCOMPETENT NINCOMPOOPS!!
90% of Democrats and 82% of MAGAs want the files
I would argue it could be the best case scenario for Trump as well.
If we’re talking purely politics (and not the actual suffering Trump’s policies have and will cause), not shutting down the government in march was a huge win for Dems and a huge fail for Trump.
You strike me as the type that would argue over anything though.
I think things are much more complicated than most people on Lemmy want to admit. They want to throw the baby out with the bath water cause the leadership isn’t doing exactly what they want. When in reality, it is a much more complicated decision filled with landmines no matter which you choose.
Meanwhile they also aren’t looking back 6 months ago when they were complaining about the same leaders and the same decisions. And in the end, it was the leadership that made the right decision, not the community.
How do you get around with that fence post up your butt?
Definitely not as well as you do on your high horse.
Where’s the /s?
The only people that were really happy with the budget approval in March were Republicans. Everyone else was either livid because Democrats gave up one of the few bargaining chips they had or resigned to the fact Democrats can’t do anything substantive and any day we’re not under martial law is a blessing.
Everyone on here was livid with Democrats.
What happened after? Trump’s approval rating went from net 0 to net -9. Would this have happened if Democrats shut the government down?
I don’t think so, but who knows. I think Trump and Republicans would play the victim (which they are great at) and anything bad that came after would be blamed on Dems, including any damage from the tariffs.
Right now we’re in a situation where conservative voters are not happy with the administration. There are pros and cons to shutting the government down, and people on here do not consider the cons at all.
https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
I think Im on the other side, a shutdown is better for democrats except now is the worst time for it. American memories are apparently nonexistent, if this were to happen a lot closer to an election you would have a lot of fresh memories of government employees looking to remove republicans from office because they stopped paychecks from coming in. But given 6 months everyone will forget about it
Unless the government is still shut down
My fear is Trump would use a government shutdown to further his authoritarian powers. And he would feel empowered to do so because of the “radical left that shut the government down”.
It could go either way, which means it is a risk to shut the government down. It’s easy for Lemmy to say we should take the risk, but the Democratic Party is much more diverse politically than republicans. Their people will rally around them no matter what.
So, you’re worried that he’s going to do exactly what he’s already going to do, either way? And your solution is to preemptively give Republicans everything they want, without any concessions?
You sir, are a political mastermind. /s
No, my fear is that he has restraints right now that will be removed when the government shuts down. Whether these restraints are from actual government functions, or the restraints are from his followers disapproving of his actions.
You sir, are a political mastermind. /s
It’s crazy how quick people become jerks on here.
I think the goal of some of these lemmites (lemmings, lemmors?) is to push all the moderates out of the Democratic Party so we’re left with only the truest most liberal of politicians. And from there, we will win 20 senate seats and never see the presidency again.
If democrats aren’t alienating the majority of Americans, they aren’t the party for us!
Are you high?
There are hardly any left leaning congressmen left. The Overton window has been shoved so far to the right for decades that most Democrats are right of center, neo-liberal corporatists.
Even if you got rid of most of the Democratic Party, there’s only a handful that are not right of center. There is no such thing as a progressive part of the Democratic Party.
The stark reality is that the government has been so corrupted and under funded for so long there isn’t money for big public works projects or to overhaul the medical system or really innovate or build new things because it just going into corporate shareholders pockets.
The American people have been duped and the wealth of the nation has been transferred to Wall Street over the course of the last several decades. The corporations are flush with cash, and the country is falling apart. Since corporations and the wealthy elite don’t pay their fair share taxes, and keep taking all the cookies out of the jar, everybody’s fucked and fighting with each other instead of uniting to get these corrupt assholes out of politics.
The very fact that all these tech bro, billionaires have seized control of the government along with white nationalist crysto-fascist think tanks, like the heritage foundation, shows the weakness of the American style government.
So depressing.
I am just hopeful that the up and coming politicians that were inspired by Bernie Sanders (AOC, Mamdani, others?) will make themselves a large part of the Democratic Party. They won’t be able to do it while democrats can’t hold a majority of any office.
push all the moderates out of the Democratic Party so we’re left with only the truest most liberal of politicians.
Why should we listen to you when you have no idea what words even mean? The moderates are the liberals!
On top of that, your argument is ass-backwards anyway, even after we interpret it as you meant (“the truest most leftist of politicians”) instead of as you said.
By your logic, since the MAGAs successfully pushed all the moderates out of the Republican Party so we’re left with only the truest most fascist of politicians, they went on to win only 20 Senate seats and never saw the presidency again.
…oh wait.
The difference between republicans and democrats is republicans stick with their party no matter what. The know they can say and do whatever bullshit they want, and they will maintain their voters.
Democrats don’t have this luxury. If they feel like the Democratic Party sucks, they won’t vote.
Democrats don’t have this luxury. If they feel like the Democratic Party sucks, they won’t vote.
All the more reason Democrats need to start fucking listening to their voting base (working-class Americans) by moving left instead of conspiring with corporate donors and moving right to screw us.
The key thing to understand is that there are no mythical “moderate voters” to court. Those are nothing but a fucking fantasy; a lie perpetrated by the Democratic Party as an excuse to chase money at the expense of votes.
Talking about alienating people…
I think we could all live without “”“moderates”“” like you.
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Is that your go to when you disagree either someone, but don’t have a real argument? Go find out which mods have overreacted to something and then that invalidates everything that user ever says?
I am not moderate, I’m anything but homophobic/transphobic, so that is 100% irrelevant.
Brother you keep saying you aren’t these things but we can read what you’re writing…
Yeah bud you’re such a victim lol
If you want to have a conversation about the comment that these mods banned me for, I’d be happy to do so in that thread. But pulling up some BS rather than actually engaging in a conversation on what I actually said in this thread is bullshit.
Nowhere am I acting like a victim. I’m just pointing out your BS.
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Ah the enlightened centrist take that has been leading to loss after loss in campaigns. It’s almost like no one actually likes people who fence sit and stand for nothing.
This is true. Centrists are like “we need to.move right to win the election” and then don’t win the election. Then they blame the left, who don’t have power nor were appealed to
I’m in no way saying we need to take a moderate/centrist approach. I am saying this is a moment when Republicans are vulnerable, and all this community wants to do is bag on the Democratic Party. That is how we always lose.
Well the Republicans are currently doing whatever they want because the Democratic party has been so utterly worthless for so long.
They can’t fight against fascism in an election and barrel to the right. They can’t fight fascism when they’ve lost and the fascists are in power.
The Dems deserve every ounce of vitriol they are getting right now they are a fundamentally useless organization that only serves as the slightly less mean wing of conservative thought in the US.
Edit: Also yes you are absolutely advocating for the moderate/centrist liberal approach here.
They’re bagging on the Democratic leadership who are once again not doing anything to actually take advantage of that vulnerability…
You don’t always need to take action to take advantage of a vulnerability.
How do you think the Republicans became so powerful in this country?
By being nice and letting their ideological enemies flourish?
No - they take advantage of the vulnerabilities.
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Huh?
Yes, there are definitely accelerationists (both tankies and useful idiots) who just want to watch things burn.
But this? I can see the logic. But there is zero chance that resolution would have passed and this is just republicans shutting the government down a few hours early rather than bickering until the last minute.
For DNC leadership that insists on decorum and tradition? Yeah, that is atrocious and horrible and an even greater sin than not properly clapping for someone. But it doesn’t matter to anyone else. This is now a war of the news and social media and not one that is going to be solved while in session.
And all this comes across as is… weakness.
exactly
Hence the comment about the worthlessness of current leadership. Shutting the government. down shuts down project 2025. It forces the gestapo to work unpaid. That might last a week, but two, three weeks? That shit doesn’t fly when you are deployed to fucking Chicago and you are now paying for shit out of pocket.
Democratic leaders are cowards who are afraid to wield force, and they have the perfect opportunity here to show the incompetence and bankruptcy of this administration, along with extracting results.
Schumer and Jeffery’s are working to do the opposite. Worthless.
When they shut the government down, there is still a huge pile of money to be dispersed. It just closes down some offices. Trump has stolen many billions from congressionally allocated uses. That money will pay the gestapo while everyone else eats ramen until the government reopens
Trump isn’t the type to pay people. He deliberately tries to renege on debts owed, just to feel like a brilliant deal artisan. He especially doesn’t care about poors nor military service members, which ICE somehow Venn Diagrams on top of the racism.
We’ll definitely agree to disagree, but I said what I said and your comment makes me feel no different.
In a time when Republicans should be in the hot seat, liberals (which I assume you are), are instead focusing on how shitty democrats are. In every post I see about what republicans are doing wrong, the first comment is to shit on Democrats.
This is how we give republicans the midterms.
This is how we give republicans the midterms.
&
liberals (which I assume you are)
Well you are clearly an idiot who doesn’t understand the definition of terms or have the remotest context for their comments.
The will for Democrats to meet Republicans halfway is precisely why Democrats lost this past elections.
You want to call me… ME?!? liberal? Bruh, you are literally advocating a liberal position. Get a clue. Don’t even bother showing up to the comments if you don’t know what words mean.
Shitlibs gonna shitlib I guess.
Well you are clearly an idiot
Relax dude. I’m a real person.
I see now that you are a conservative who wants democrats to fail. I’ve have been seeing countless liberals on here that want the same thing. It’s hard to tell the difference these days.
