I would just say to consider Chapo_is_Red’s response and then Nopeace’s response to that in this same thread. And OP’s response, “could be true for all we know.” It could be. But that’s the problem. The narrative on any given event is so openly and nakedly just an agenda that doesn’t even need to have a tangential relationship to reality, so our best bet at landing somewhere within the realm of truth is to first assess who benefits from the story as it is being presented. It might be true, but it’s on equal footing with all the so-called conspiracy theories because that’s all any of it is anymore, an ocean of spin. It’s not that feds weren’t always compulsive liars because of course they were, but the lesson there isn’t that they can be taken at their word like most people used to do before the post-truth era, it’s that we never should have trusted them about anything to begin with. But we should even less now because it is a lot worse than it used to be, where they practically flaunt how batshit they can be with the media fully on board no matter how contradictory the shifting narrative gets in comparison to what it was the day before and vast swathes of the public will eat it whole because their team is the faction currently pushing it.

You’re right, not everything is a government plot. But everything they say is a narrative they’re pushing, and it may or may not have any relationship with reality. If it is true, you have to ask how they benefit from actually telling the truth this time.

I think a lot of people are just nervous about the crackdown that feels imminent and are hoping he’d be another nazi shooter or something. Although, I don’t think it would ultimately change much, as they’d find some other justification to bring the hammer down anyway. The shooter being an almost entirely apolitical G*mer who wrote dumb reddit memes on his bullets is just as American as if he was a nazi.

The smart ones don’t get caught. Cops aren’t that smart, and even with all of the digital surveillance tools at their fingertips, other law enforcement agencies are also staffed by people who peaked in high school, so you have to be pretty dumb to leave enough evidence to get you caught. It still amazes me that these people don’t look for where cameras are before they do something like this, because the first thing that LE does is pour over surveillance footage. Some podcaster with a dismal reputation on here frequently says the right is incapable of threat assessment.

I agree and disagree at the same time on whether we’re being too conspiratorial. I think it’s where you place the conspiracy that matters.

Here’s how I think it would play out in a way that allows feds to get their way: Tyler goes on the run. He gets cornered in a remote area, cops don’t know if he is armed. Either they claim Tyler shot himself (he allegedly said he was thinking about it) or they claim they shot Tyler in self defense. Now Tyler is out of the way and anything can be said about him. His last words, his motives are all up for grabs.

However, it didn’t happen that way. Tyler walked, unarmed, into the police station and peacefully turned himself in. Now you have someone who will eventually talk. Your options are to kill him or try to mitigate his future confession. He’s not dead yet. It could be that the cops make it easy for a revenge shooting to take place and we get a lazy Jack Ruby thing. He might commit suicide in jail. We have to wait and see. But while he’s not dead, their option is to piece together his motives in a way that benefits their narrative.

Propaganda is about emphasis. They are placing emphasis on certain pieces of evidence and not others. They do not want you to consider all the evidence in full context. They want you to focus on certain things. This is why you will get partially released chat logs, texts, photos, and anything else right up to the point of it being illegal withholding of evidence. We may see a little scuffle between the courts and prosecution in the future about missing context for evidence.

The roommate appears to also be a problem. Like Tyler, the ideal thing would be for them to put up a fight. They didn’t though. They cooperated immediately and genuinely seem surprised by Tyler’s actions. As much as the feds are fascists, they’re not crossing the line into what we expect of them. They didn’t black bag the roommate and take them to a remote site for interrogation. They didn’t plant a gun or drugs on the roommate as justification kill them or arrest them.

You have an incompetent federal investigation that hasn’t gotten their way this whole time. They want to create a narrative but now they have to be clever about it. They are not clever people. They want to do the conspiracy, but they can’t carry it out without cooperation. Kash can’t just walk in and shoot Tyler in the head in front of all the local or state Utah cops. Yes they’re fascist and most of them probably like Trump, but they aren’t on board for that level of involvement.

Their only recourse is to take the evidence and frame it in a way that fits their narrative. That’s the level of conspiracy we’re dealing with. How do the feds finesse this in a way that doesn’t alienate everyone involved from cooperating? Can they construct a case in a way that doesn’t get push-back from local investigators, dozens of lawyers, and the judges that are going to be involved.

I don’t think we’re dealing with a situation where Trump hand picked a 20-something Utah resident to take the fall. People keep throwing around “who benefits?” but I think they’re misapplying that heuristic. Any news story that isn’t about Epstein distracts from Epstein. You either stop reporting new events until the Epstein thing wraps up or you make every event about Epstein. Trump benefits from everything because that’s how our system is set up, not because Trump is omniscient. Remember Shock Doctrine? Disaster capitalism.

It feels like the disinformation campaign is different this time, or maybe I’m just noticing it more. But it seems like the only way to tell the “truth” anymore is exclusively through what is repeated the most which I’m pretty fucking sure ain’t how this shit is supposed to go. Feels like I’m going schizophrenic cause “what the fuck is actually real??”

utah’s mayor

governor?

It’s just a weird choice