That’s nice, now I only need 200k so I can buy a house with a backyard so I can make my own groceries.
Where do you live that 200k gets you enough land to grow your own food? Mine was £230k and all I can realistically grow a years supply of in a year is a few types of herbs.
Easy enough. Every country has an area where nobody wants to live. On the side of a mountain, hours away from the next city, maybe on an old garbage tip or an old industrial chemical spill. In Eastern Europe you might even find a cheap piece of land in a mine field. Should be possible.
I really don’t recommend to grow your food on an old garbage pit or an old industrial chemical spill or zone, just in case someone was going to take this seriously.
There isn’t really any unowned land left in England. Some patches that are abandoned perhaps but its not exactly publicised as someone would probably take it if it was well known that there was free land somewhere.
Free not, but there’s really cheap land.
I quickly had a look and for example in Burgenland, Austria there’s a 1100m² building plot for €50k.
It’s far away from anything resembling civilization, but it is land that is buyable.
I found a similar one in Györ-Moson-Sopron in Hungary, with 3000m² for €16k.
You can find similarly priced plots of land all over Europe. Just not anywhere where anyone wants to live.
Edit: sorry, misread England as Europe, my bad. Looking up examples for England.
Edit again: For the £200k that we were talking about before, you can have this nice 6000m² plot of land complete with an old barn: https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/70879656/
I’m sure there are better offers similar to the ones I gave above for other countries, but for some reason UK real estate sites are really hard to navigate, at least for me.
I’m sure if you include North Wales and Northern Scotland in the search you’d find some plots of land that are close to free.
Tbh I would rather a patch of woodland and stick up a cabin, but you normally won’t have permission to live on your land and if you do then it usually costs a lot more.
There are still cheap places to live all over England and Scotland - I bought a 1 bedroom flat with small garden for £90k in Peterborough (a smaller city about an hour north of London) 3 years ago, and the garden has enough space for a few raised beds with vegetables in them
Don’t flats like that usually come with the worst of renting and owning though, as you usually still have ground rates that cost quite a bit and the leasehold expires eventually? Plus they usually don’t have gardens.
Kinda yeah, but I was still able to buy it with only £10k down, my mortgage is only £350/month, and I’ve repainted the place to suit my taste and cut out a wall to make space for a washing machine (I put a dishwasher in the kitchen instead). Not saying it’s for everyone, but it worked for me 🤷
LOL. I started out with a little wooded land, cut trees, cleared it, bought a $1,200 well used mobile home and now have a nice home with three gardens. Buy small and grow.
Have you tried giving up avocado toast?
Or just buy pots, you’d be surprised how much can grow out of just a few
Garlic is actually pretty easy to grow, the main issue you will have in an apartment is where you are going to hang it to store it for the rest of the year
Garlic will grow like a weed too. Growing up we had an entire bed along the outside north wall that went from mixed plants to oops all garlic and chives alarmingly quickly.
Chives make a nice border plant, they crowd out weeds, they are great for cooking and they have nice flowers in the spring.
Eliminate car repair bills with a bunch of tools and this weird trick!
The garlic at my local store is 69¢ a bulb. Nice!
Warning: may lead to overpopulation, hierarchy, authoritarian forms of government, malnutrition, slavery, and war. Use at your own risk.
Hunter-gatherers had most of that, too.
Not really. An exception are hunter-gatherers benefitting from the rich marine resources and salmon of Pacific North America, but for most hunter-gatherers:
overpopulation: well, populations tend to hit the carrying capacity, whatever it may be, but I think here it refers to living conditions like with poop being in the street and stuff like that
hierarchy: hardly any to speak of, it’s mostly family-based, with special respect for great hunters or people who solve conflicts
authoritarian forms of government: no
malnutrition: of course hunger and famine exists for hunter-gatherers as well, but they generally had much better nutrition than early agriculturalists
slavery: no, they don’t have the social organization to manage this
war: meeting strangers was always a dangerous event, and war can exist in specific times and places, more often being small-scale ritualized warfare in places of high productivity, but food production really brought that to another level
Garlic factory owners hate this one simple trick.
As someone who has a garden and has successfully grown garlic from cut ends of store bulbs…
It’s not worth the labor.
I garden, yes, but the economy of scales of buying at the grocery store is much lower than growing your own vegetables. You garden because you want to enjoy vegetables that are either heirloom or you want the freshness.
Between the labor, watering, fertilizing, maintaining, etc. it’s simply cheaper to buy at the store.
That’s why tiktok and youtube shorts are just braindead. I read this other thing where “kids” bought all the cucumbers in stores because there is this crazy new thing called cucumber salad. A week or so later a friend visits me and for some reason it came up and she was like: yeah, i had to try this cucumber thing, because it was everywhere on tiktok, and it turns out it’s:s just a salad.
This woman is 36 years old.
I worked at a grocery store during lockdown and Celtic Sea salt trended on tick tock. We couldn’t keep that shit on the shelf. One or two dudes would clean us out as soon as we restocked and flip it online for a huge markup.
It’s just fucking salt. You’d have to eat a pound of it to get any sort of benefit from the trace minerals.
This woman is 36 years old.
…and they vote…
It’s not worth the labor.
I wholeheartedly agree.
It’s not worth the labor if you don’t know what you are doing. Gardening is like printing free money, and it is an enjoyable hobby that provides some stress relieving exercise, IF you know what you are doing.
Using cheap-ass store bought garlic is a big mistake.
I don’t plow, till and hardly weed yet have a fantastic garden that provides way more high quality produce than we can use. My fresh tasty heirloom produce is not sprayed with any toxic chemicals. I get free rotten hay bales from farmers for mulch and fertilizer from our chickens. I save seeds from varieties that do well in our area.Yeah feeling that after looking at my garlic harvest this year. It was fun to grow it in some pots but unless I had way more space it isn’t worth growing. Ill keep to perennial herbs instead.
Also looking at reducing how many pots I have as they use up way more water than stuff planted in the ground. Probably just mint and chives in pots going forward. Helps a lot that I have my own small garden now so I can plant things in the ground, its so much better than pots.
I let it grow when it happens accidentally.
It happens often because I take my vegetable trimmings and peels to the garden and use it as mulch. I try to remove the seeds and stuff that can grow (like potato peels), but there’s often root of garlic that end up mixed with the peel. Which is no big deal. Often, they only start growing in the spring or summer, so I only harvest immature forms. Which is fine. It’s not like I was invested in that garlic.
My parents grow their own vegetables and they even have some beehives and make and sell their own honey.
I once calculated their hourly wages for beekeeping, and I only counted the time they spent harvesting and processing the honey, nothing else. Not even the cost of materials, bees, food, medicine, nothing. Not the time spent doing anything but harvesting.
It came out to ~€5/h.
It’s not worth the labor.
This is my perspective. I hate weeding, more than almost anything. I hate crouching and bending over, and shuffling slowly from patch to patch. I hate gardening. I hate getting sweaty and the kind of dirty you get in the garden: gritty, and it finds its way into your shoes and gloves. Gardening sucks.
If I was really invested, I might do hydroponics. Elevated, minimum to no weeds, no crawling around in the dirt. I don’t know whether, in the end, I’d actually save any money, though.
I have a terrible back but love gardening so I invested in 3 foot high bins. They are a life saver for not only my back but keeps rabbits from eating the vegetables. If you get the right soil mixture you don’t have to worry about the weeds.
The dirt…you can’t do much about that except hydroponics like you said but that has its drawbacks too. At the end, you do what helps you and keeps you happy.
My biggest issue at this point is mosquitoes so I’ve started wearing long pants and a light jacket. That seems to have helped things.
Mosquito’s suck too, but I didn’t want to get into a fight with someone about repellent, or citronella, or bundling up in winter clothes thick enough to resist the hummingbird-sized mosquitoes we get in Minnesota, while trying to garden in 105° heat.
What makes me happy is buying vegetables from the farmer’s market, so that’s what I do.
Just don’t plant cheap stuff.
I will probably never grow onions, potatoes, corn, celery and other vegetables that are always cheap.
I will plant things that are easy and or pricey. Tomatoes for sure, if I bought the tomatoes at the store I would probably have spent $500 just on tomatoes a season. Chives are also easy to manage and expensive in store. Aspargus is stupid expensive and is almost hard to get rid of once established. Some berry type fruits are also worth growing if you have spare land for them since they come back each year.
Tomatoes have been bad for us for the last couple of years. Last year, we got a good yield of cherry tomatoes but large tomatoes only started to ripen before the cold killed them. This year, we only planted cherry tomatoes and are just now getting the first few. My coworkers have confirmed that their tomatoes are also super late this year.
You are right about chives, asparagus, and berry bushes. Once those get established, you will have to work to keep them under control.
spare land
Look at Mr. Moneybags over here
Guerilla gardening - who said it was my land?
I have a similar view. Plant things that are fun. It is a hobby and it needs to be that. Why bother planting potatoes when they take up a good amount of space and they’re cheap?
I plant chives as well, rocket because I love it, weird varieties of chillies, and I’m thinking of adding also other herbs that I can’t get easily or that are a faff to get. Coriander is a good example, as I have to get a bag whenever I have to use a tiny bit and the rest goes to waste.
Hobby farming is fun and a great way to get you (and the family) to eat more veggies. Subsistence farming is just painful.
Haha, yeah, asparagus is hard to get rid of. It forms these mats of roots like 8 inches down that hollow out during the fall/winter and then new roots shoot back out through the tubes. That said… I’ve never had store bought asparagus that was JUICY. I usually pluck them as as snack to eat while I’m weeding or whatever, they’re perfectly tasty raw.
we plant onions because that way we never have to think “hey, do we have onions?”
I have a similar philosophy with basil. It’s cheap enough in our stores, but it’s way more convenient to always know its outside.
i have so much goddamn basil, lemon balm, rosemary, lavender and laurel because of this philosophy. every few weeks i pick some and fill a jar for each room of the house. it smells fantastic in here.
I like the flowers.
Yeah that’s my attitude as well. I grow the things that are significantly better straight out of the garden. The best tomatoes are too fragile to go through the sorting machinery, so growing your own enables much higher quality produce. Berries are way better picked ripe. Green beans are also super easy to grow and are better fresh.
Then there’s varieties that just aren’t popular enough for many stores to stock and specialty stores are far and expensive: patty pan squash, molokhia, ground cherries, shallots, celery leaves (I don’t like the stalk), a variety of herbs, peppers that aren’t bell or jalapeno, etc.
I’m going to grow canning pickles next year because find those specific types in the store is a nightmare, and that’s even with someone who works there and can special order them, it’s just easier and cheaper to grow my own!
I’d never grow garlic. Store has huge cheap bins of it.
San marzano tomatoes though? Growing. Strawberries? Absolutely growing, the store ones are okay but fresh is amazing.
Were you trying to grow softneck or hardneck? Most grocery store garlic where I live is softneck garlic from china which doesn’t grow well in colder climates. Hardneck garlic, on the other hand, requires a long cold winter in order to flower in the spring. We bought a clove of hardneck from the farmers market, threw two of the biggest cloves in the garden about 6 inches down, and then did absolutely nothing to them for 9 months. The bulb wasn’t as large as the original one but I plan to replant 6 or 7 of the second harvest and see what happens. I usually buy garlic just because of how fucking loooooooooong it takes. I’m tryin to make some pasta not a baby!
Been growing plants inside and out for over 30-years, never had success with garlic. I feel so dumb because it seems the easiest thing in the world to grow. Going to plant this October and see what happens.
My experience with using grocery store bought garlic is mixed. When it did work, it grew a lot of leaves but not the bulb. When I researched this, it’s because garlic requires specific soil conditions to grow its bulbs.
But bulb aside, garlic is a good natural critter repellent. It’s good to grow around lettuce and kale. Though I haven’t found a good cover plant to keep white butterflies away. Right now I’m using netting which they can sometimes find a way into.
once a week i hunt for a shop and gather some groceries.
Just like my forebears
You’re descended from bears?
Yes, four of them to be exact.
Helps with the hunting
And makes the leather fit better.
Might make some other things fit better too, but that isn’t my wheelhouse, so I’ll let experts weigh in.
Do you still shit in the woods?
This is how I see all of the “I’m going to move to the country and grow my own food” crowd.
They’re essentially glorifying subsistence farming, a lifestyle that humans have collectively been trying to escape since we invented agriculture.
Peaches come from a can
They were put there by a man
in a factory downtown.
And if I had my little way
I’d eat peaches everyday.
I’ve lived in a subsistence farming community. You know who doesn’t glorify and romanticize it? Farmers.
Don’t get me wrong, hobby farming often is the best of both worlds, and smallholder farming and gardening fucking make life 20,000 times better. But making the jump to letting your whole life depend on rainfall just to eat is madness.
We as a species have 50 centuries of receipts to tell us that subsistence farmers eventually lose the game in a long enough time line. It only takes 1 season for that to ruin lives and communities.
i mean the food is better when you picked it that morning. but like, i can pay someone else to pick it that morning.
Yeah, I joined a CSA so someone gets money to buy the machinery in order to farm at a larger scale than they could have on their own and I get fresh fruits, vegetables and honey periodically.
the “I’m going to move to the country and grow my own food” crowd
If this statement appeals to you (it does to me) it might mean you need to find more hobbies that keep you outdoors. (I have and it’s great!)
just discovered agriculture?
Hey, you want to make a big of money? Do what I did, get into farming
By this logic, why not buy 200,000 tomato plants with the million dollars?
$50 in a few decades will be worth very little compared to now because of inflation. Take the lump sum and invest more on the early side. That’s how smart people successfully implement compounding.
Edit:
Also, that $6,250 times 52 weeks in a year is not $46M; it’s $325k. Not to mention that the $6,250 takes a year from initial investment, so it takes 2 years to hit that $325k. And that’s revenue, not profit. And it assumes dependable harvest. It’s a joke shit post that I’m taking way too seriously, right?100%
Also, you’d need to live for over 380 years for those $50 weekly payouts to add up to a million dollars.
This was spectacularly bad advice in every aspect.
By this logic, why not buy 200,000 tomato plants with the million dollars?
Because that’s a lot of planting. Gonna throw my back out at that rate.
Glad I’m not the only one, because that’s exactly where I’m at. The premises almost relies on consistent yield and unconstrained growth, which nature very much does not like. Plus it doesn’t consider the opportunity cost of having to sink your time into becoming a literal farmer (nor any other recurring costs to maintain and harvest your plants).
In this case, the upfront cash is hands down the way to go. You don’t even have to do any complicated investing, just huck the mill in a jumbo CD and take the monthly payout. Going off my local credit unions (about 3.75% in dividends for a 5 year term), at $37,500 per year it probably wouldn’t be enough to quit your job, but you’d be doing an order of magnitude better than $50 per week. If you’re really looking to grow it, you could just dump the lump sum in the S&P 500 (up 95.3% from 5 years ago). (Assuming no taxes and that the dollar still has any value in the next 5 years).
With this SIMPLE LIFEHACK and TWENTY SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS anyone can be a MULTI MILLIONAIRE in just ONE YEAR!!!
And in 10 years you’ll have more wealth than all previous humans combined! Payday advance places hate this one trick.
On what fuckin land?
Broseph, I could just build a factory. Just take $20 a week making sourdough starter and wait 6 weeks and build a factory making bread. Just ignore every other cost and the cost of owning land and taxes and real life.
There are more than 1 seed in each tomato.
My God, we’re so fucking rich!
I was expecting this video.
Fookin’ brilliant!
This sounds like a wall-e type sci-fi concept. Except our actual future.
Idiicracy
12000 years and we’re back
Wait until they stop adopting children after finding out about impregnation
That’s pretty much all youtube shorts are now. Most are just poorly done ragebaits
