Its like Hillary walking into a working class kitchen for the first time.

They’ve been shielded from even critical support of China and other AES for so long they literally, not figuratively, literally cannot process that people exist that have beliefs that aren’t Reddit Approved. They immediately assume it’s bots or wumao. Human beings can’t possibly hold these beliefs, so they must be Oriental hordes or actual robots.

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    Well the world is almost all neoliberal hell so maybe that’d be better than supporting a fascistic hellscape because they have socialist aesthetics.

    I support Cuba and various socialist movements… I don’t pretend Xi is a well-meaning person.

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      Nothing about Xi indicates that he isn’t well meaning, and much more importantly the lives of hundreds of millions of people have been vastly improved during his governance as head of a dedicated communist party.

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          Right? All these fucking tankies don’t even believe that there’s a current genocide against the Mongolians

          Bunch of fucking insane nutcases here

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          It’s CPC and of course they are, there’s no reason to believe otherwise apart from being a dumb little racist baby who thinks only white people can do socialism properly.

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            It’s CPC

            What are you on about, it’s both?

            there’s no reason to believe otherwise apart from being a dumb little racist baby who thinks only white people can do socialism properly.

            Maybe the fact it’s a dictatorship with no power to the people? Tell me, what Chinese factory workers own their means of production?

            Call me a racist? Cuba and Burkina Faso are true attempts at socialism, while the USSR under Stalin was not (Lenin was good though).

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              So you want Xi to press the communism button?

              On a serious note, through a communist party controlled state, Chinese workers clearly have greater control over the means of production than workers anywhere else in the world. That’s why they were able to use the resources their own labor created to do things like have an effective covid response.

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                Chinese workers clearly have greater control over the means of production than workers anywhere else in the world

                What makes you think this? Is that why their benefits and conditions are worse than succdem Europe?

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                  China was profoundly underdeveloped, and only began to develop in earnest after a revolution in the 1940s. We’ll never know why it’s different than Europe. That’s a really good question.

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              CPSU, CPV, CPK, etc… CCP is a weird, racist neologism coined by the west to emphasize the “Chinese” part of the moniker. CPC is the standard nomenclature.

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          Few people here think that the CPC is “genuinely dedicated to communism”. It is a party with millions of members, including communists, liberals, nationalists, and others (happy to chat about the specific major factions in the party if you’re interested). Many in the party are not ardent communists, and have mediocre to poor historical and political literacy from the perspective of a lot of the Marxist nerds on here.

          Some people look at the party and see “hey they’re called communists, and many of them are communists, sure as hell better than whatever is going on in the US or wherever” and kinda hop on board with some enthusiasm that way.

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          Oh hey it’s you again, I think you forgot to answer me in the other thread as well: what is your solution to the Ukranian puppet government’s ongoing genoicide in the Donbas?

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            Honestly if Russia ONLY invaded Donbas I think I would support that. But you guys are clearly warmongerers that want as many dead Ukrainians as possible.

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                I’ll rephrase it, Russia should’ve defended Donbas and nothing else. Going further than Donbas is an unequivocal invasion.

                I’ve answered all your “questions” hexshit.

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                  the only way one could believe this is a viable military strategy is if you have gamerbrain. if Ukraine knew that Russia was not going to go beyond the Donbass then when not just set up a shitload of defense and artillery positions along the border? it would be a massive military advantage to Ukraine and it’s not as if the Western response would have been tempered because of it, they were sanctioning Russia even before the war began

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                  You realise that would mean war with Ukraine, and that it’s universally accepted that you can attack an enemy country you’re already at war with.

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              you guys are clearly warmongerers that want as many dead Ukrainians as possible

              This doesn’t even make any sense. People normally criticize us for wanting Ukraine to surrender to end the war – are you just making this up, or??