“Okay don’t take it far” what does that mean?
It’s a joke on “taking a shower”, as in she is literally going to take it with her somewhere. You can tell she’s not amused by the joke either ^^
Ok duh I did not get that one
How is she standing between the wall and the counter?
It’s one of those kitchens where the counter doubles as a table if you get bar stools
And the vertical line? Lools like the corner of a room to me
A corner but it’s bending the other way.
One of the most relatable things that I have seen for a while.
I don’t get it.
Part of the hot water pressure is stolen by the man for dishes. Shower suddenly gets cold. This doesn’t happen if you’re on city hot water probably, but it’s very noticeable when you have your own heater
I have my own heater and that seems like a plumbing issue that i assumed only happens on tv as a joke.
Yeah, this didn’t happen in my childhood home, but it happens in the rental I’m currently in. I sorta assume it’s some sort of cost cutting measure, but I suppose a plumber would have to confirm.
Not a plumber but I do have some experience with plumbing. This issue tends to happen with older plumbing methods where you run one main trunk pipe that you then branch into every fixture. Basically turning on the hot water farther up that trunk from the shower can cause a large pressure drop in the hot water supply at the shower. Basically the closer a fixture is to the source of the hot water, the more priority it has for the hot water supply. Also undersized piping can also make the issue much worse.
The problem can be mitigated in a few ways. By using low flow aerators on your sinks, you limit the maximum flow rate of water out of the sink and thus cause a smaller pressure drop when you turn the sink on. Having the shower be the first fixture along that plumbing trunk can also ensure that it gets priority for hot water. Also just increasing pipe sizing throught the system can help.
Newer style systems where you have a central manifold that immediately branches off to each room or fixture mitigate the issue because all of the fixtures share the water pressure more evenly. I’ve also seen some more expensive newer houses just have the bathroom fed by a seperate tankless water heater which eliminates the issue entirely because then it has it’s own dedicated hot water supply.
That makes a lot of sense, and is kinda what I imagined. I believe I heard my dad say that he got a tip from someone to use larger pipes when he was building my childhood home.
I’ve seen this joke done hundreds of times on TV and in movies growing up, but never experienced it myself. I have pretty much always lived in the suburbs in homes with their own water heaters, yet I still have yet to experience this phenomenon.
I don’t doubt that it’s possible, but the conditions to “trigger” it are probably very specific to regions where film makers and comic artists live.
Happens for me for sure. Has happened in more than one place I’ve lived lol
As long as the temperature is high enough in the tank there should be plenty of hot water to wash dishes and not have a cold shower. Cooler sure, but just move the handle a smidge.
Then the dishwashing stops and suddenly you have a boiling shower lol
Oddly we found it happened most when we used an electric shower. Which heats its own water because only uses cold water. How the fuck that was the most effected I have no idea.
Moved across town and now got a heat pump that does our heating and hot water, it doesn’t really seem to care that much.
If you’re in a cold environment, the water that’s been sitting in the pipes in the house will be warmer than the water coming in from outside the house. If the sink/toilet/whatever increases water usage, that warmer water gets used up more quickly.
Water chills the body about 25 times faster than air of the same temperature, so even a 1-2 degree temperature change can feel like a LOT when it’s sudden.
It depends mostly on how it’s plumbed I believe. In many houses, it’s one hot water pipe that goes to every faucet. If there are multiple pipes in parallel, it’s supposedly better
We don’t have that problem and have a water heater (not tankless). I think they just do something different with the plumbing here in Japan most of the time.
The good old “parallel vs serial” patterns. The later being cheaper, it is used everywhere but in those places where the owner specifically ask for parallel because of knowing its advantages.
Would the order of things when its serial matter? Since moving our shower is the first thing to get hot water and the kitchen comes after, not really noticed it as too much of an issue although the kitchen tap will be slower when water is being used somewhere else. Which is probably the better way of prioritising it.
I’m not a plumbing expert (I got an electronic degree before going for CS), but I can extrapolate from my own experience.
If it does a bit like electricity, it comes from how much water the main line can let through. If it is sufficiently sized, and can accept enough water for both your tap and shower, all you’ll see is a pressure fluctuations (it will be divided per open tap). But if it is not big enough, the water will go to the shorter route first, which depending on the configuration may be the tap or the shower.
At my old man home, we are in the former case, which mean he often used what this comic shows to make sure we finish our shower if it gets too long to his liking (he is an asshole sometimes 😂).
Meanwhile, at my current home, the boiler is just next to the shower, so the shower takes priority.The biggest difference with electricity though, is that you can put far more electricity than the wiring is made for, which can cause fires, which you cannot with water. 😅
Well you could push more water though but it requires higher pressure, I guess this is where water/electricity don’t compare very well as you could draw many amps (until things melt and burn) but you can’t pull more pressure.
Exactly. That what I added in an edit minutes after posting my answer 😆. There are some way to add pressure (a pump, which is often used in high buildings), but it is rarely used for hot water.
the house I live in has tons of problems but not this. there are 4 showers, 3 kitchens, 2 laundry, and I have never had the water run cold from hot running out. I’d trade that for internet that doesn’t randomly cut out for hours at a time.
4 showers, 3 kitchens, 2 laundry
What kind of gigamansion is that, wtf? How many bedrooms, and how many people/servants live with you?
Standard 70’s Yugoslav house I’d say. They built 'em intended to be multi generational. A good 1000l hot water storage in the basement is more than enough for something of this size.
Wherein by ‘multigenerational’, you presumably mean that at least three generations live under one roof. Like in one of those Gabriel García Márquez novels.
Less and less in modern society. Since people start getting kids later in life, grandparents (your own) usually aren’t around anymore by the time you have kids, so its becoming more like two generations.
this is spot on lol
And you live in there alone, with your family, or with multiple generations as intended?
Probably also five boilers in the basement.
It is probably shared with other people.
We’ll see what the actual person says. 👍
“this is spot on lol”
— Grass, five hours before your comment.
I was a hour early xD.
I live with my parents, and they could not give less of a shit
Dishwashers use much less water.
i am too tall to fit in my dishwasher
I think it depends on how many people live at a place. I live alone and would never be able to fill up a dishwasher, using a lot more water for a few dishes than I would.
- Buy more dishes so you can go longer between washes
- Buy a half-height dishwasher. They exist, I owned one that lived on the floor of my bathroom.
I live alone and I fill up my full size dishwashers every few days. If you don’t eat ordered/preprocessed food you can also just chuck pots and pans in the bottom rack.
Dishwashers use a lot less water than hand-washing. Even if there’s a little bit of room left, it’s still a net positive. There’s no reason for anyone to hand-wash unless they live in a tiny NYC broom closet or exclusively eat take-out in disposable containers.
Tbf I should have added that I don’t have the space anyway, I might have considered it if I had. I live in a small flat in europe, so probably what you would consider a NYC broom closet.
Not just broom closets that lack space. Both of my pans are cast iron which cant go in the dish washer. So what, am I going to get like 40 plates and sets of cutlery because that is all I would use that can go in there? Going by the floor plan of my house when I bought it the kitchen is about 5m², where is all of this stuff going to live now that I also lose most of the cupboard space for the dish washer? Already got a washing machine using up a lot of space. Bungalow, about 60m² for the entire place.
I have Bob, the mini dishwasher, perfectly sized for that use case. Now, the fact that it is designed to use proprietary washing cartridges on the other hand… (At around 5 to 10 price of regular washing powder too. Thankfully mine is old enough to not notice you opened the door if you’re fast enough)
You can also fill up the dishwasher over the course of a couple of days. Makes things even more convenient.
They also corrupt the soul.
Exactly. Every time I fill/empty the dishwasher I am thankfull how easier my life is… And that’s daily.
Just like electricity and indoor plumbing lol
Yeah, don’t even get me started on this thing called “Lemmy”
thats the soap pod companies
This took me a minute. I can’t remember the last time I was someplace that didn’t have a balancing valve.
What sorcery is this “balancing valve” that I’ve never heard of or had the pleasure of experiencing!?!?!
It maintains the same temp, even when hot water temp or pressure is changing
I can’t speak for everyone but here’s what mine like like:
That’s a thermostat and won’t do you any good if the plumbing is set up in such a way, that all outlets are connected in series. You need a parallel approach (manifold with large diameter branching off to all outlets).
Those have been standard for a while now.
No. I’ve never used one in Europe but I know they exist here from advertising.
Maybe you’ve just happened to use hardware that was installed a while ago? Or you’re in an area that’s more traditionalist. I suppose there could be many reasons. Those are arguably also a little more expensive, so that could also be a reason.
It doesn’t even need to be that fancy. Basic ones will just react to reduced flow on the hot or cold side by reducing the other side proportionally to keep the temperature roughly the same.
The fuck?
This exist?
Did I live under the bottom of a well or something?
That would explain why your water’s so cold, at least
Ah, called a thermostatic valve here I think? Maybe?
Something that breaks after 10 years time.
…and that there was no planned access to for replacement.
They’re actually not hard to replace at all. Just look up “shower cartridge replacement” on YouTube.
I’ve had to replace the entire mixing valve so that’s what I thought of. Too old for a cartridge or also so old the cartridge was frozen in place. A pain usually.
Yeah was a problem with back when you couldn’t be on the phone and the internet at the same time. Or you still live in a really cheap fucking apartment?
USians love to shit on Soviet apartment blocks, but you know what Soviet apartment blocks have? Separate water supply in the kitchen and the bathroom, with enough pressure for everything unless like half of the floors in a high-rise decide to shower simultaneously.
still live in a cheap fucking apartment
Welcome to the majority of America living situations. And most of the time they aren’t even fucking cheap. To live in a place with basic standards of living that are in line with modern tech is a luxury here.
Not just the states….im in a (rented) house in Germany that was built in the 90s (so not that old to compare to a lot of other houses here) and deal with this everyday. Coupled with the insanely long cleaning times and frequency of use due to how small they are for the “economic” washing machines and dishwashers, fluctuating water pressure and water temps are always a surprise….
Is it like that? I remember this being an issue in the 1970s. Even crappy old places that I lived in as a student had balancers. I think they’ve been required here since the…90s?
Required? In the states? Nah. My last house in the states was built in 2000, not a single balancing valve or thermostatic valve in the place. 4 bed 2.5 bath.
Funny they just said “here” and you assumed the US.
The original comment said “welcome to the majority of American living situations”
Lol “required”. Landlords in this shit hole are barely required to have a habitable domicile much less one that is updated to modern standards.
I am living in a good enough apartment and is still suffering from it. Well, the apartment is old now, maybe that’s why…
Newer homes have tankless constant water heaters and it’s the greatest thing in the world.
In our older house, we got endless comments about how tankless is the greatest thing ever and we should get one. In our new house, we have a tankless and we get endless comments about how they’re not worth it and will break and we should get a traditional water heater.
That’s the problem with listening to tankies.
I’m sure quality can vary wildly, but the one I have right now seems to keep water hot for the whole house even when people are taking simultaneous showers. I also imagine there are some really efficient tank heaters out there too.
I think at the end of the day, all we can really agree on is that synapsids were really weird looking animals but probably would be like any large land animal who bonds with anyone who adopts them at an early age and were likely affectionate and loving despite how terrifying they were.
gotta be specific, but my tankless water heater has actually been pretty okay actually.
Context! I live in Texas, which actually has some pretty great renewable use compared to other states. My personal plan isn’t solely wind powered anymore, but it has been in the past, and still partially is right now.
My house is a super cheap remodel. The tankless water heater is completely electric.
My repair costs have been as follows: complete replacement of the heater cores: 70$.
- two out of three failed over the course of a year and a half.
- I also paid for the plumber to figure out what the issue was, but i’ll be able to replace them on my own pretty easily whenever this happens again
I also paid plumber and electrician costs to move the water heater so i could actually get at them without pulling the whole thing off the wall (thanks shitty remodel!)
$200 for the plumber to run the cleaner through it, since i have super hard water here
- and another half grand to install the valves required to actually be able to do that (thanks shitty remodel!)
- I’ll be able to get my own cleaning kit for one to two hundred online in the future.
So like, because i’m new at taking care of one, and because of the shitty remodel, I have paid over a gran in ‘repairs’ on the thing. But, at the same time, the next time it needs replaced heater cores, or to get it’s annual cleaning, it’ll cost me basically nothing.
Energy costs haven’t been much more expensive than a tanked water heater either, but it’s hard to compare considering those tank water heaters also ran in a different location with different AC needs. And I take super long showers, which I was straight up unable to do before moving here. I don’t pay too much more than previously despite that though.
Most importantly! I can take hour long showers without running out of hot water, and being honest, that’s really the biggest deal for me. I don’t always do that, but sometimes I just wanna relax for a while and running out of hot water is a bitch when I do.
I’d honestly recommend a modern tankless water heater, so long as your electric can handle a load specifically sized to your house, even despite the problems i’ve had surrounding my own.
Jeez, I’m hardly in that much for my whole tankless + install
Is your tankless heater electrically powered? How much is the electricity bill? I’m on the fence in getting one because of that whole flip flop
Lol, in Germany those are only installed in shitty old houses with crap plumbing. They drive up the electricity bill like there’s no tomorrow. Just install adequate plumbing when building a new house and never deal with this problem.
doing the math, tankless heaters use insane amounts of electricity. we were gonna use one for a detached guest house so we could skip the insulated pipe, but holy shit the cabling we’d have to install
Heating the same amount of water to the same temperature requires the same amount of energy.
yes, but not the same amount of electricity. without a tank there’s no heat storage to take energy from.
And this energy, it came from… you rubbing your hands together? The tank will take more as the hot water sitting there is constantly cooling. It will take a system that can supply more instantaneous current, sure, like my humble cardboard shack doesn’t have the electrical to really work well with a tankless heater.
you should probably read up on water heaters.
Depending where you live, the tankless heater might run on gas.
Which is sometimes better for the environment than the electricity, if the grid is coal powered.
I have a tankless water heater and a designated propane tank for it.
i don’t think those are approved for installation in buildings here. and i wouldn’t want gas in my house anyway.
I agree that natural gas in homes sucks, I’m glad that Sweden has mostly phased it out.
yeah only place i know that still has gas ranges is turn-of-century buildings in stockholm. one almost set fire to my aunt.
Older homes with tankless water heater experience the opposite reaction: when someone flushes a toilet all the cold water rushes there. And you get some: hot - hothot - boiling! water.
Thankfully I have a tankless water heater and don’t need to deal with this anymore.
How has the electricity bill changed after switching to it? I’m on the fence for getting one.
I wish I could give you an answer. It’s a new build house that came with it already installed so I didn’t have a good reference. Also, it’s gas, so minimal electric use.
If you have a tank already that would reduce the costs of upgrading to a heat pump. All of my heating is through the heat pump and now heating is like 1/3rd of my total electricity bill.
I’ve switched from similiar-sized apartment with a tank heater to a house with a tankless heater. My bills are close enough that it isn’t super easy to tell. total it was about 20-40 more a month for the location switch.
The real difference is how often you use it. You’ll save money if you use it sparingly (as opposed to an always on tank heater), but you’ll definitely spend more if you don’t (because infinite hot water access!). Just make sure it and it’s power source is sized for the house it’s going into.
You’ll definitely want to pay for an electrician to get it on a dedicated circuit to power it. Otherwise you’ll just get infinite tepid water instead.
I’ve talked to many plumbers about this and what I’ve learned is that if you don’t have gas, it won’t be as good (on average). New construction with dedicated power is a different story, but retrofits are often limited to whatever the old water heater was using, which by definition isn’t enough. Running new power is likely to be a headache.
Now that you’ve mentioned it, I’ve never considered tankless water heaters being gas powered also as an option. My house is all electric so I only have that variable to deal with.
I’m an electrician. I haven’t been impressed by most of the tankless systems I’ve hooked up. I would definitely go with gas unless you are willing to run some serious power. Most hot water tanks pull about 3000-4500W or 12.5-18.75A at 240V. A good tankless system is upwards of 18000W or 75A at 240V and some can be around 36000W which works out to 150A. This will easily be the single largest electrical load in your house, unless you also have an electric furnace or something. Depending the size of your electrical service and what else you have in your house you may need to upgrade the electrical service going to your house as well. Most Residential Electrical services are usually 100-200A in my area.
That is a lot of power… Surely with that much power you could afford a heat pump instead
Wowza! That’s a lot of power.
Edit: my bad, I was wrong. My unit is actually not using a regular plug, and pulls up to 21kW.
I mean I know things are different here in Europe but 18kW for a water heater? Why? I have one that plugs into a regular outlet, so no more than 3.5kW, and I have no issues whatsoever. Sure, water isn’t boiling hot out of the tap, but I can take showers no problem and usually need to mix a little cold water to make it comfortable. Why would you need any hotter water? Or is there some other reason why you need so much more power in an american system?The 3.5 kW heater will have a tank reservoir that will have time to heat up the water when it’s not being used. Tankless means it has to be heated instantly.
It takes ~ 4 kJ to heat 1 kg of water for each 1°C. If you want to do that in 1 second, you need 4 kW of heating power.
So if a shower uses, say, 9 litres per minute, i.e. 0.15 litres per second, heating that water from 10°C (typical cold water temperature) to 40°C (comfortable shower temperature) is:
4 • 0.15 • 30 = 18 kWAnything less heats less water per second, or to a lower temperature.
Like this 5.1 l/min unit at 9.5 kW will be able to heat that flowrate ~28°C above its inlet temperature.
Oops, my bad, I really thought it used a regular 240v plug. Turns out its hooked into my kitchen’s high voltage (400v) circuit and uses 21kW.
Thanks for explaining why physically my assumption could not be possible.
For the shower you’ll want the 18 kW, otherwise you’d have to shower with a tiny stream of water. What you have is meant for washing your hands (tiny one under the sink).
Good lord, well that puts that into perspective, thanks.
Yeah, a tankless pulls down power like an EV, and since conversion to heat is 100% efficient (loss in the pipes on the way to your shower notwithstanding) you actually need that power to heat up the water at the speed a tankless sends it through. That’s why the gas ones work better, hydrocarbons store a shitload of energy.
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I would just stay out of the light of
firewater and just wait. And like waste more time…I mean when I was younger I was petty af and I didn’t care about running up the water bill, so please don’t judge me for wasting water lol…
But yea I kinda just chill… literally… outside of the water… until I can sense the warmth again…
Don’t feel like raising my voice, they’d just ignore me…
Also… sometimes its the pressure… its annoying when it gets low pressure, doesn’t feel as satisfying…
Our house has zero issues like this and I have no idea why not. I can flush the toilet while she showers, no problem.
This isn’t some fancy new home! It’s Habitat for Humanity, tight structure and insulation, shitty amenities. 🤷🏻
It just depends on how the water is routed to each appliance. Some have them inline, so running one affects the other. Some have them separate. Some do a bit of both
It’s more complex than that.
If the sink is in-line after the shower, and you turn it on hot to flush the cooled water, it drops the pressure on only one supply line, and the bather gets hit with cold water.
If the sink is in-line before the shower, and you turn the tap on warm as the hot supply is already flushed of cooled water, it drops pressure in both supplies roughly equally, the bather might notice a pressure drop but no major temperature change.
If the sink and shower are on separate branches, and you turn the sink on hot to flush the line, pressure drop on one line, but not as noticeably to the bather.
If you have a hot water recirculator, you don’t ever need to flush cooled water from the hot line.
Similar, but reversed, issues occur if you use a cold-water draw, like a toilet, hose, washing machine, et cetera.
If the shower has a thermostatic mixing valve, it will compensate for some pressure drop on one supply line to keep the temperature consistent. They’re common now, but to retrofit older showers you need to break open the wall, so it’s uncommonly done short of a major bathroom remodel, if the homeowner is even aware of the technology.
Hehe, this used to happen a lot to us in our previous home.
Hmm… how much water is One Punch Man using? Really you just need two basins, one with lukewarm water (with soap in it, for cleaning) the other can be colder (without soap, for rinsing.) Saitama really doesn’t need to keep the tap running.
Uh, you need even less, you first wet everything. Then stop the water, scrub everything with soap. Then turn water on and quickly rinse everything. Depends on the amount of dishes but you should never use enough water to freaking fill the basin, that’s insane amount of waste.
No woman will ever complain when a man is doing the dishes.
Never fuck with a woman’s warmth.
Life ah, uh, finds a way.
Youve never been to my house
Has more to do with what temperature they run than their gender. My wife runs hot, so she wouldn’t. My ex runs cold. She absolutely would.
