“I wasn’t being a nazi when I spray-painted a swastika on the grave, I’m a Buddhist actually”
Its missing the key feature of the SS skull, which are the cracks in the skull. It’s a skull tattoo that is entirely too close to a Totenkopf.
“It’s not a nazi swastika, it’s wider than it is tall. The nazi swastika is square! It’s a Buddhist symbol!”
You absolutely wouldn’t look twice at it in 99% of real-world situations.
“I’m comfortable around nazi imagery, that must mean everyone else is too”
what an obvious bad faith bullshit comment lol, reminds me of the company behind this poster claiming how it was totes a complete coincidence that it looks exactly like a nazi poster, you can tell because the guy on the right is wearing a hat, a key feature not present in the nazi version!!!:
I know it’s very, very old news - but it remains amazing to me how so many people use the net as a tool to double down, triple down, and quadruple down on whatever they feel must be true. Reality and facts don’t matter. Their unhinge net bubble is their happy place. I assume the majority of r/TheBulwark denizens decided that because Platner is a former Marine so he’s a badass - he’s just the kind of candidate they love and they’ll support to matter what.
When it’s clear he has a Tokenkof tattoo that’s no biggie. They just create a reality in their mind where the tattoo is not really that.
It’s missing the key feature of the SS skull! The cracks! Nobody really knew Totenkopf was a thing! It’s a C tier Nazi emblem! You absolutely wouldn’t look twice at it in 99% of real-world situations!
When it turns out he’s been lying and he knew it was a Totenkopf - that’s still no biggie. They simply ignore that until/unless they can figure out a way to show it’s not really true.
[To be completed later.]
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That redditor should try saying those things in public. People would look at him as though he was insane.
If there were no cracks in the skull on Platner’s tattoo then let’s see a nice clear close-up of it.
Here’s an image of the tattoo that I’ve enhanced. Notice how you can’t see the fine line details of the teeth or where the crossbones are distinguished from the skull itself? But we’re supposed to believe that there’s enough clarity and resolution in the image that we can tell for certain that there’s no crack in the skull? These people are deeply unserious.
Somebody should interview the Croatian tattoo artist - if he actually exists that is. I wonder what he’d say.
Journo: “Is it a Nazi tattoo? A Totenkopf?”
Croatian tattoo artist: “Of course it is! And I want to apologize from the bottom of my heart for my sloppiness. There are no cranial sutures on the top of the skull because they were too tricky for me. I was new to tattooing then.”
Now I’m wondering if Platner got the tattoo from somebody else somewhere else.
Unless it was his last tattoo then there’s a good chance that whoever tattooed him since he got that one done saw his chest and the totenkopf on it.
There are two types of tattoo artists:
The ones who know all of the fascist and gang symbols that refuse to tattoo them and the ones who are comfortable with tattooing those symbols. If a typical tattooist saw that tattoo they’d likely refuse to tattoo him or they’d offer to cover it up.
This is speculative, sure, but it’s less speculative than the arguments that amongst a handful of blurry, poorly lit pixels you can clearly tell that there are no cracks in Platner’s totenkopf tattoo, that Platner has never seen a Nazi with a totenkopf in his entire life, and that nobody had ever pointed out that he had a Nazi tattoo on him.
The selective suspension of disbelief that is on display is really breaking my brain.
He’s also a self-proclaimed history buff. I think the democratic party and most libs will continue to back him until new information comes forth like a handful of witness confirm that he bragged about slaughtering Iraqi civilians for fun.
Yes, there’s limited historical evidence of them using the reverse:
Prior to the Nazis seizing power there was fairly widespread use of the swastika, including in Germany, and its use was less codified so you can probably find pre-Nazi German swastikas being flown that are of the opposite orientation and it would take a real history buff (obviously not a Graham Platner-tier history buff) to be able to tell if that’s a Weimar Republic era warship flying the reverse swastika or if the image was taken a few short years later under Nazi Germany. (Also anyone who can tell the difference immediately who isn’t some dusty old academic in the history department of a university deserves a side eye.)
So yeah. It’s complicated but it seems like it was used, albeit rarely.
We could literally dig out a signed and thumb-printed written confession accompanied by a video explicitly admitting he’s a nazi and a big fan of Adolf Hitler and they would argue he meant he’s a grammar nazi and just liked Hitler’s art, which is totally different. After all, he’s an American patriot, and therefore can’t possibly have knowingly gotten a nazi tattoo. They’d probably follow it up with an implicit endorsement of the most devastating genocide in world history by waxing poetic about the “great American experiment” or whatever the fuck
Step 1: Lie
Step 2: Double down
Step 3: Gaslight
Mainstream American politics is just a group of nazis fighting each other over who’s more of a loyal fascist to their favorite genocidal empire.
These people are the textbook definition of BlueMAGA. They would happily kill another million brown children if it meant they got some of the spoils.
I know you mean well but this is a myth and there are countless examples of the Nazis using 90 degree swastikas:
Even medals:
And Hitler’s own personal standard:
Not to mention in one of the most iconic videos depicting the Nazi swastika:
I’m not trying to drag you here. Fascists use this argument tactically for plausible deniability and it’s widely accepted as common knowledge in the west but it’s straight up untrue.
Yeah, the Finnish government who was vehemently anticommunist and quite cosy with Nazi Germany has continued using the swastikas to this very day.
“I’m not a Nazi sympathiser, I just love the quiet collaborators of Nazi Germany and their particular use of the swastika” isn’t the defense that some people think it is.
Akshually Finland only blocked any supply lines leading out of the besieged city and fired on soviet soldiers, the nazis just happened to attack at the same time!!
i remember reading that the white army in finland allied with the liberals were known as “the butchers” for their extensive field executions of red army soldiers during the overthrow of the tsar
(i’m joking, i don’t think that argument flies very well even with reversed swastika on white boy, which people attach to buddhism, but still reads very sus. )
“I wasn’t being a nazi when I spray-painted a swastika on the grave, I’m a Buddhist actually”
“It’s not a nazi swastika, it’s wider than it is tall. The nazi swastika is square! It’s a Buddhist symbol!”
“I’m comfortable around nazi imagery, that must mean everyone else is too”
what an obvious bad faith bullshit comment lol, reminds me of the company behind this poster claiming how it was totes a complete coincidence that it looks exactly like a nazi poster, you can tell because the guy on the right is wearing a hat, a key feature not present in the nazi version!!!:
I know it’s very, very old news - but it remains amazing to me how so many people use the net as a tool to double down, triple down, and quadruple down on whatever they feel must be true. Reality and facts don’t matter. Their unhinge net bubble is their happy place. I assume the majority of r/TheBulwark denizens decided that because Platner is a former Marine so he’s a badass - he’s just the kind of candidate they love and they’ll support to matter what.
When it’s clear he has a Tokenkof tattoo that’s no biggie. They just create a reality in their mind where the tattoo is not really that.
It’s missing the key feature of the SS skull! The cracks! Nobody really knew Totenkopf was a thing! It’s a C tier Nazi emblem! You absolutely wouldn’t look twice at it in 99% of real-world situations!
When it turns out he’s been lying and he knew it was a Totenkopf - that’s still no biggie. They simply ignore that until/unless they can figure out a way to show it’s not really true.
[To be completed later.]-–
That redditor should try saying those things in public. People would look at him as though he was insane.
Nazi:
Not Nazi:
Know the difference! (/s)
If there were no cracks in the skull on Platner’s tattoo then let’s see a nice clear close-up of it.
Here’s an image of the tattoo that I’ve enhanced. Notice how you can’t see the fine line details of the teeth or where the crossbones are distinguished from the skull itself? But we’re supposed to believe that there’s enough clarity and resolution in the image that we can tell for certain that there’s no crack in the skull? These people are deeply unserious.
Somebody should interview the Croatian tattoo artist - if he actually exists that is. I wonder what he’d say.
Journo: “Is it a Nazi tattoo? A Totenkopf?”
Croatian tattoo artist: “Of course it is! And I want to apologize from the bottom of my heart for my sloppiness. There are no cranial sutures on the top of the skull because they were too tricky for me. I was new to tattooing then.”
Now I’m wondering if Platner got the tattoo from somebody else somewhere else.
Unless it was his last tattoo then there’s a good chance that whoever tattooed him since he got that one done saw his chest and the totenkopf on it.
There are two types of tattoo artists:
The ones who know all of the fascist and gang symbols that refuse to tattoo them and the ones who are comfortable with tattooing those symbols. If a typical tattooist saw that tattoo they’d likely refuse to tattoo him or they’d offer to cover it up.
This is speculative, sure, but it’s less speculative than the arguments that amongst a handful of blurry, poorly lit pixels you can clearly tell that there are no cracks in Platner’s totenkopf tattoo, that Platner has never seen a Nazi with a totenkopf in his entire life, and that nobody had ever pointed out that he had a Nazi tattoo on him.
The selective suspension of disbelief that is on display is really breaking my brain.
He’s also a self-proclaimed history buff. I think the democratic party and most libs will continue to back him until new information comes forth like a handful of witness confirm that he bragged about slaughtering Iraqi civilians for fun.
did they use the reversed swastika as well? Not very informed on nazi symbology beyond the basics.
Yes, there’s limited historical evidence of them using the reverse:
Prior to the Nazis seizing power there was fairly widespread use of the swastika, including in Germany, and its use was less codified so you can probably find pre-Nazi German swastikas being flown that are of the opposite orientation and it would take a real history buff (obviously not a Graham Platner-tier history buff) to be able to tell if that’s a Weimar Republic era warship flying the reverse swastika or if the image was taken a few short years later under Nazi Germany. (Also anyone who can tell the difference immediately who isn’t some dusty old academic in the history department of a university deserves a side eye.)
So yeah. It’s complicated but it seems like it was used, albeit rarely.
Side eye delivered
We could literally dig out a signed and thumb-printed written confession accompanied by a video explicitly admitting he’s a nazi and a big fan of Adolf Hitler and they would argue he meant he’s a grammar nazi and just liked Hitler’s art, which is totally different. After all, he’s an American patriot, and therefore can’t possibly have knowingly gotten a nazi tattoo. They’d probably follow it up with an implicit endorsement of the most devastating genocide in world history by waxing poetic about the “great American experiment” or whatever the fuck
Step 1: Lie
Step 2: Double down
Step 3: Gaslight
Mainstream American politics is just a group of nazis fighting each other over who’s more of a loyal fascist to their favorite genocidal empire.
These people are the textbook definition of BlueMAGA. They would happily kill another million brown children if it meant they got some of the spoils.
Which way, western r*dditor?
nazi swastika is rotated by 45 degrees 🙄
I know you mean well but this is a myth and there are countless examples of the Nazis using 90 degree swastikas:
Even medals:
And Hitler’s own personal standard:
Not to mention in one of the most iconic videos depicting the Nazi swastika:
I’m not trying to drag you here. Fascists use this argument tactically for plausible deniability and it’s widely accepted as common knowledge in the west but it’s straight up untrue.
A year or two ago i had someone join my discord with a swastika in their name and tell me they were just a big fan of the finnish air force.
v finnish airforce flag
Yeah, the Finnish government who was vehemently anticommunist and quite cosy with Nazi Germany has continued using the swastikas to this very day.
“I’m not a Nazi sympathiser, I just love the quiet collaborators of Nazi Germany and their particular use of the swastika” isn’t the defense that some people think it is.
And during the Continuation War directly and deliberately assisted the Nazis in committing genocide on Leningrad.
Akshually Finland only blocked any supply lines leading out of the besieged city and fired on soviet soldiers, the nazis just happened to attack at the same time!!
i remember reading that the white army in finland allied with the liberals were known as “the butchers” for their extensive field executions of red army soldiers during the overthrow of the tsar
They also sold finns into slavery to the us.
Lahtari.
This was some random edgy teenager, i don’t think he thought it was a good defence to begin with.
this is 0 degrees swastika 🙄
(i’m joking, i don’t think that argument flies very well even with reversed swastika on white boy, which people attach to buddhism, but still reads very sus. )