I’ve never once heard anyone talk about them, except to make a joke about James Cameron. Literally never even hear mention that they went to see a movie and it was Avatar. The fact that those movies make money confounds me.
My (four) friends went and saw the 2nd one while tripping on acid lol. They don’t remember the movie. I saw it like last year on netflix or some other streaming service. I know of nobody else who has ever seen it.
I’ve seen both. Happy to talk about them if you want. Way of Water had a lot of really cool moments but a lot of weird visual choices. They swapped between 24 and 48 fps (idk if it was 48 but it was definitely higher) seemingly at random. You’d think it would be something like 24 for dialogue and 48 for action, but it wasn’t that straight forward. Some scenes looked like they needed more time to look good. A boat crash in particular stands out. Other scenes were incredibly gorgeous. The young one (name escapes me) swimming to rescue her family stands out there.
I think my biggest gripe about Way of Water was that they said they get this valuable thing from the whales. But the number was orders of magnitude less valuable than the material they were mining from the first one. It made it seem silly. They could’ve just given a bigger number and it would all make sense. Maybe it’s something about the initial investment to get to Pandora being the biggest cost so now they can pursue things that make less money.
I do watch and enjoy them, it’s just, the reason they’re enjoyable isn’t really the plot. In my view, they’re basically tech-demos for how much you can push cgi tech, with a relatively simple and chiche story to tie it together. They’re very pretty, and enjoyable for that reason, but once the movie is over there’s little to bring them up because they don’t inspire the same interest in the characters or plot or worldbuilding that a lot of other popular media franchises do.
I mean, they’re good. Saw both, enjoyed both, will see the next one. There’s just not much to talk about though. The stories are pretty self contained, there’s no source material, so there’s not a lot to go off of. They’re also not trying to build/pander to fanbase, look at the amount of star wars merchandise and events out there. They’re just what I want out of a blockbuster movie, interesting, fun to watch, cool setting, have an anticapitalist moral, and you don’t need to have watched a ton of other movies or tv shows to make sense of it.
Think he got a deal on doing four of them. They’ve also made BANK the first grossed nearly 3B and the second still grossed around 2.3B. Those film executives do not care about comments on the stupidity of the plot or their rotten tomatoes score they can’t see or hear it over the waterfall of money printing.
I’m talking about fan content. no one gives a shit about avatar the world/story so how is it about as quarter as popular as the animated Avatar series?
It still was a big production, right? Also has a lot of room for the good old fixit fanfics to flourish! So Blue Avatar gets something! The animated ones just get a lot more because easy more world building. And ship fanfics.
I’m talking about fan content. no one gives a shit about avatar the world/story so how is it about as quarter as popular as the animated Avatar series?
I’m surprised people give enough of a shit for that much (EDIT : FAN CONTENT) to be made
I don’t think anyone can stop James Cameron at this point. It could bomb and he’d probably still make the next one
But they don’t bomb, which I don’t understand.
I’ve never once heard anyone talk about them, except to make a joke about James Cameron. Literally never even hear mention that they went to see a movie and it was Avatar. The fact that those movies make money confounds me.
My (four) friends went and saw the 2nd one while tripping on acid lol. They don’t remember the movie. I saw it like last year on netflix or some other streaming service. I know of nobody else who has ever seen it.
I’ve seen both. Happy to talk about them if you want. Way of Water had a lot of really cool moments but a lot of weird visual choices. They swapped between 24 and 48 fps (idk if it was 48 but it was definitely higher) seemingly at random. You’d think it would be something like 24 for dialogue and 48 for action, but it wasn’t that straight forward. Some scenes looked like they needed more time to look good. A boat crash in particular stands out. Other scenes were incredibly gorgeous. The young one (name escapes me) swimming to rescue her family stands out there.
I think my biggest gripe about Way of Water was that they said they get this valuable thing from the whales. But the number was orders of magnitude less valuable than the material they were mining from the first one. It made it seem silly. They could’ve just given a bigger number and it would all make sense. Maybe it’s something about the initial investment to get to Pandora being the biggest cost so now they can pursue things that make less money.
I do watch and enjoy them, it’s just, the reason they’re enjoyable isn’t really the plot. In my view, they’re basically tech-demos for how much you can push cgi tech, with a relatively simple and chiche story to tie it together. They’re very pretty, and enjoyable for that reason, but once the movie is over there’s little to bring them up because they don’t inspire the same interest in the characters or plot or worldbuilding that a lot of other popular media franchises do.
What I don’t get is why they can’t add a good story to that spectacle. Or even an ok one.
I mean, they’re good. Saw both, enjoyed both, will see the next one. There’s just not much to talk about though. The stories are pretty self contained, there’s no source material, so there’s not a lot to go off of. They’re also not trying to build/pander to fanbase, look at the amount of star wars merchandise and events out there. They’re just what I want out of a blockbuster movie, interesting, fun to watch, cool setting, have an anticapitalist moral, and you don’t need to have watched a ton of other movies or tv shows to make sense of it.
The first one was a big event and I remember everyone going to see it. Shit movie but lets not pretend it wasnt treated as a phenomenon at the time.
The first Avatar grossed $2.9 billion, and the second grossed $2.4 billion
yeah, he’s got enough money to make whatever he wants
Think he got a deal on doing four of them. They’ve also made BANK the first grossed nearly 3B and the second still grossed around 2.3B. Those film executives do not care about comments on the stupidity of the plot or their rotten tomatoes score they can’t see or hear it over the waterfall of money printing.
I’m talking about fan content. no one gives a shit about avatar the world/story so how is it about as quarter as popular as the animated Avatar series?
It’s the internet, porn and drawing practices.
It still was a big production, right? Also has a lot of room for the good old fixit fanfics to flourish! So Blue Avatar gets something! The animated ones just get a lot more because easy more world building. And ship fanfics.
Somehow the sequel made billions. I have no idea how.
I’m talking about fan content. no one gives a shit about avatar the world/story so how is it about as quarter as popular as the animated Avatar series?
James Cameron writes all of it under pseudonyms