Her arguments are surprisingly valid. Even going as far as complaining that they aren’t passing bills but instead are relying on executive resolutions. It’s a weird time when MTG starts sounding relatively sane.
It’s a weird time when MTG starts sounding relatively sane.
MTG is a classic case of someone who just says what people want to hear in order to get the thing she’s after. She’s not remotely as stupid as people claim, just absent any real moral compass or sense of shame.
In this case, she’s breaking from the GOP because what they’re doing is clumsy, unpopular, and generally horrible for her constituents. And since she came up through the social media circuit (where popularity matters) rather than the corporate empty suit circuit (where you just get Pappa Elon to spend $40B on “my opponent fucks shrimp” negative advertisements in a gerrymandered district), she’s acting out of self-preservation.
I don’t actually think that. I have followed her through her entire political career and I truly think that she believes everything she says and does 100%. She was posting insane QAnon shit way before she had a political career, and she has been shockingly consistent on a lot of issues. She has turned on Trump precisely because she isn’t just an opportunist whose views depend on which way political winds are blowing. It’s like Mitt Romney. The dude is completely terrible and I disagree with him on basically every possible issue but because he has a moral compass, even if it’s one I almost completely disagree with, he is at odds with the Trump admin. I believe Rep. Greene is the same. She has some kind of moral code she believes in (even if such moral code is completely stupid and terrible), and so she is necessarily at odds with the Trump admin, which is the embodiment of amorality and selfishness above all else.
Exactly. This is a lady who quit the Catholic Church and was re-baptized as an evangelical just because she was so disgusted by the child sex abuse scandal. This is a hill she’s willing to die on — willing to kill on, even.
I grew up in a close enough to her district that my hometown might get gerrymandered into it at some point. This is the correct take, and I say that because of how many women I know from the area that are exactly the same. Not the sharpest tools in the shed, hell I’d say among the dullest, but they believe in protecting children above all else.
I don’t like Greene one bit and generally think she’s a bad person, but she does believe in something, which is more than I can say for Trump who only believes that he should have power
Yes, I agree. I‘ve long said that Greene (and Boebert) are what you get when someone who actually believes this shit gets into power.
I don‘t follow this stuff closely enough to know how this article fits into her history, but the Epstein stuff is completely consistent. And, while I don‘t agree with 99% of her principles, it actually shows her to be more principled than most of Trump‘s followers, who were fully against paedophilia when Pizzagate was a thing, but who now seem to think that it‘s no big deal and that every man would fuck a pre-teen if given the opportunity to do so.
The factions have been infighting for a while. They were so desperate to make Kirk the first shot in a war between right/left, because it was real the first high profile shot in a maga civil war.
This is what always happens in a power structure like trump cultivates without clear ranks out of fear the 2nd will replace him. Sometimes not till the leader is dead, but any time they seem significantly weak enough to not be able to hold off a challenger.
Once one starts making public moves like this, the rest are going to panic and start to differentiate in hopes of gaining enough support to take leadership.
Every one of them willing to burn some of it down to control.some.of it rather than none of it.
It’ll be like small scale collapse of USSR. The big danger is if someone gets the keys to ICE in a functional state and tries to take the country by force.
Exactly. Fascist movements are in many ways similar to cults. The skills of founding a cult are one thing, but the second generation leader needs a different set of skills. Cult leaders often don’t want to give a lot of power to the sort of person who can keep it going because that does weaken their position. I see many people who think they’re Brigham Young or David Cavendish among the magas, but I don’t see anyone who actually is.
DeSantis was the face of the suburban bigot faction but he made a power play and lost his influence for it, Mace seems to be vying for that position now. Vance is the major player in the technofascist camp, but they aren’t very popular. Greene seems to be heavily influential in the rural and social media brainrot spheres and should be used as a bellweather there, especially as it’s a particularly influential camp, but also nobody wants to put that faction in charge. The christofascist wing seems led by Johnson, but their leadership seems far more from the shadows than an amorphous movement. The neonazi (as in, will call themselves fascist) camp will back anyone sufficiently bigoted, but they seem willing to fight anyone who doesn’t give them everything they want except trump.
And so looking at that I have a hard time seeing any of these people actually getting the support of all the others. One of the trump kids will probably try a play for power, and they’re probably the most likely to actually get it, but while trump is in harmony with the movement as a whole, being someone who both drinks and pisses the flavorade, his kid would likely be someone struggling to hold the factions together under them. That’s not to say they can’t, more that they’re unlikely to be able to go on stage and ramble incoherently off the dome and have it become party doctrine
That’s a great overview of it. I think you’re right; as soon as Trump dies (and I do think it requires his death, not just leaving office), MAGA will fall on each other like wolves. This is why I’m not concerned about “who comes after Trump” because in choosing, MAGA will splinter and self-destruct. I’m actually concerned about actually getting there. If Trump dies (naturally is best), and the country isn’t completely destroyed, we’ll have a hell of a cleanup project, but I think it could be fixed in a generation or two.
The fact that MAGA potential heirs are starting their succession fight tells me that they know and are privately acknowledging that he’s not healthy and are trying to get a headstart in kneecapping the opposition.
It’s not too much unlike Obama. There’s going to be a power vacuum. I’m not saying Obama was a cult leader, but he was a cult of personality. He was able to rally the 3 major factions of the dem party behind him and bring in independents as well.
When he left, no one was left to pick up the pieces, and worse, he fostered so much animosity that we got the backlash that we are still dealing with today.
The left needs to rally and find their champion, just like the tea party did.
Her arguments are surprisingly valid. Even going as far as complaining that they aren’t passing bills but instead are relying on executive resolutions. It’s a weird time when MTG starts sounding relatively sane.
MTG is a classic case of someone who just says what people want to hear in order to get the thing she’s after. She’s not remotely as stupid as people claim, just absent any real moral compass or sense of shame.
In this case, she’s breaking from the GOP because what they’re doing is clumsy, unpopular, and generally horrible for her constituents. And since she came up through the social media circuit (where popularity matters) rather than the corporate empty suit circuit (where you just get Pappa Elon to spend $40B on “my opponent fucks shrimp” negative advertisements in a gerrymandered district), she’s acting out of self-preservation.
I don’t actually think that. I have followed her through her entire political career and I truly think that she believes everything she says and does 100%. She was posting insane QAnon shit way before she had a political career, and she has been shockingly consistent on a lot of issues. She has turned on Trump precisely because she isn’t just an opportunist whose views depend on which way political winds are blowing. It’s like Mitt Romney. The dude is completely terrible and I disagree with him on basically every possible issue but because he has a moral compass, even if it’s one I almost completely disagree with, he is at odds with the Trump admin. I believe Rep. Greene is the same. She has some kind of moral code she believes in (even if such moral code is completely stupid and terrible), and so she is necessarily at odds with the Trump admin, which is the embodiment of amorality and selfishness above all else.
Exactly. This is a lady who quit the Catholic Church and was re-baptized as an evangelical just because she was so disgusted by the child sex abuse scandal. This is a hill she’s willing to die on — willing to kill on, even.
I grew up in a close enough to her district that my hometown might get gerrymandered into it at some point. This is the correct take, and I say that because of how many women I know from the area that are exactly the same. Not the sharpest tools in the shed, hell I’d say among the dullest, but they believe in protecting children above all else.
I don’t like Greene one bit and generally think she’s a bad person, but she does believe in something, which is more than I can say for Trump who only believes that he should have power
Yes, I agree. I‘ve long said that Greene (and Boebert) are what you get when someone who actually believes this shit gets into power.
I don‘t follow this stuff closely enough to know how this article fits into her history, but the Epstein stuff is completely consistent. And, while I don‘t agree with 99% of her principles, it actually shows her to be more principled than most of Trump‘s followers, who were fully against paedophilia when Pizzagate was a thing, but who now seem to think that it‘s no big deal and that every man would fuck a pre-teen if given the opportunity to do so.
Boebert was literally pulled from a casting website. She doesn’t believe shit.
And desperation. When someone flips that floppy it becomes quite apparent.
The factions have been infighting for a while. They were so desperate to make Kirk the first shot in a war between right/left, because it was real the first high profile shot in a maga civil war.
This is what always happens in a power structure like trump cultivates without clear ranks out of fear the 2nd will replace him. Sometimes not till the leader is dead, but any time they seem significantly weak enough to not be able to hold off a challenger.
Once one starts making public moves like this, the rest are going to panic and start to differentiate in hopes of gaining enough support to take leadership.
Every one of them willing to burn some of it down to control.some.of it rather than none of it.
It’ll be like small scale collapse of USSR. The big danger is if someone gets the keys to ICE in a functional state and tries to take the country by force.
Exactly. Fascist movements are in many ways similar to cults. The skills of founding a cult are one thing, but the second generation leader needs a different set of skills. Cult leaders often don’t want to give a lot of power to the sort of person who can keep it going because that does weaken their position. I see many people who think they’re Brigham Young or David Cavendish among the magas, but I don’t see anyone who actually is.
DeSantis was the face of the suburban bigot faction but he made a power play and lost his influence for it, Mace seems to be vying for that position now. Vance is the major player in the technofascist camp, but they aren’t very popular. Greene seems to be heavily influential in the rural and social media brainrot spheres and should be used as a bellweather there, especially as it’s a particularly influential camp, but also nobody wants to put that faction in charge. The christofascist wing seems led by Johnson, but their leadership seems far more from the shadows than an amorphous movement. The neonazi (as in, will call themselves fascist) camp will back anyone sufficiently bigoted, but they seem willing to fight anyone who doesn’t give them everything they want except trump.
And so looking at that I have a hard time seeing any of these people actually getting the support of all the others. One of the trump kids will probably try a play for power, and they’re probably the most likely to actually get it, but while trump is in harmony with the movement as a whole, being someone who both drinks and pisses the flavorade, his kid would likely be someone struggling to hold the factions together under them. That’s not to say they can’t, more that they’re unlikely to be able to go on stage and ramble incoherently off the dome and have it become party doctrine
That’s a great overview of it. I think you’re right; as soon as Trump dies (and I do think it requires his death, not just leaving office), MAGA will fall on each other like wolves. This is why I’m not concerned about “who comes after Trump” because in choosing, MAGA will splinter and self-destruct. I’m actually concerned about actually getting there. If Trump dies (naturally is best), and the country isn’t completely destroyed, we’ll have a hell of a cleanup project, but I think it could be fixed in a generation or two.
The fact that MAGA potential heirs are starting their succession fight tells me that they know and are privately acknowledging that he’s not healthy and are trying to get a headstart in kneecapping the opposition.
It’s not too much unlike Obama. There’s going to be a power vacuum. I’m not saying Obama was a cult leader, but he was a cult of personality. He was able to rally the 3 major factions of the dem party behind him and bring in independents as well.
When he left, no one was left to pick up the pieces, and worse, he fostered so much animosity that we got the backlash that we are still dealing with today.
The left needs to rally and find their champion, just like the tea party did.
I really like your analysis.
I really fucking hope you’re right.
Given the insane positions she’s taken over the years I’m guessing she’s just jumping ship and hoping she doesn’t get ejected in a blue wave or worse.
Yeah, when she starts making sense, we’re all in trouble
This truly is the weirdest timeline.
It’s hell. We died in 2020 from Covid. That’s why everything has gotten absurdly worse from that point.
Speak for yourself. I died when LHC created a black hole that swallowed Earth.
Those sexy hadrons touching tips. 🍆🍆
Lol
Don’t fall for it