…and what if the Democrats try to shut it down, but Trump and Scotus figure out a way to not have a shut down without democrat involvement.
…there, that would be Trump in power permanently.
Old pussy couldn’t handle it
I’m still waiting to see who these ‘radical left democrats’ are… cuz I’m more left and radical than ANYONE that’s elected currently. I don’t understand how that doesn’t just get old…
You’re not radical or left enough to have gone all the way around to being extremely right… it’s like a circle…
Schumer is going to give him such a tweeting 😡
I bet he’ll even follow it up with a strongly worded letter with at least 3 very strong points addressed to whomever will pay attention to him.
Only if the Baileys think that’s the right thing to do.
Ok.
Shutdown might help Trump to push his project 2025 agenda with no judges working and the justice halted.
Because all those precious checks and balances work right?
No pay for ICE et. Al.
I know that was Schumer’s excuse last time, but I’m not sure that really adds up. The federal courts can still fund themselves for a few weeks after a shutdown. Also, the lower courts are slowing Trump down, but the Supreme Court is consistently ruling in his favor. If anything, he should want the courts to be running as quickly as possible so he can keep appealing and getting the Supreme Court to overturn all the restrictions the lower courts are placing on him.
Plus, while ICE is being designated an essential agency and ICE agents are expected to fulfill their full duties during a shutdown, they do it without pay (and get back-pay when the shutdown ends). That’s not a big deal for a week, but if you stretch a shutdown out for a month, that starts to hurt. I’d like to see how loyal Trump’s dogs are when they’re not getting fed.
Schumer said after the fact, or his underlings leaked, that he knew public perception last time would have favored the Republicans even more as a result, as they successfully blamed the shutdown on Dems. But now he no longer sees this equation that way.
I’m not a big fan of his right now but I like to at least hope that level of strategy is actually happening
Shut it the fuck down.
Never open back up
Don’t worry, I’m sure they will find some moral-grandstanding excuse to avoid doing it.
Aka aipac money
You think it’ll reopen?
Hopefully not
The alternative would probably be an all out dictatorship, no?
Hard to keep a dictatorship when your gestapo isnt being paid.
Trump will just pay them out of his own pocket.
Nope, couldn’t say it with a straight face.
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I’m being flippant here, but the federal government is doing much more harm than good right now.
We don’t even have the NOAA or CDC anymore
After renovations are complete.
They’ll just roll over like they always do, what’s new?
Government is starting to break down. Officials are being arrested by ICE. This really feels like the pot is so ready to boil, which just sucks for the average Joe trying to get by.
Pots been boiling for years, the right just put a lock on the lid like a pressure cooker.
And took the knob, and sold it to Russia. They’ll sell us a new knob, but it just spins on the axle, occasionally turns red hot, and yells banal insults at you.
Lmaoooo Chuck is radical left, sure buddy sure
Everything left of themselves are radical to Facists. Alex Jones got a lot of leeway back in Bush days because people thought him being against Bush meant he was closer to center, but it was the opposite. Bush wasn’t terrible enough for Jones.
Same with Fuentes and Kirk really; groypers attacked TPUSA mostly for not being racist enough to Jews.
The Chuck that comes crawling to “find a compromise”. With Nazis.
I wish they were radical left.
According to the very special imperial political spectrum created by the USA, they are leftists! Of course this has no bearing on reality, a perfect fit for our country the United Scammers and Assholes.
Yep. They might actually do something.
Or even regular left.
Id settle if they just left all together.
Or just radical!
Or left light, or left light classic.
~It’s just left zero.~
It’s just one of those generic brands you’ll find on some low shelf in a semi-abandoned dollar store.
Are they crystal left?
They are, I’m afraid, new left.
Ah yes, right.
Man that shit got cancelled so fast and hard Tipper Gore put a warning label on it. This shit is like Kroger-brand diet Pibleft.
Funny to think of the right viewing the, globally speaking, center-right as “radical left”. The level of hyperbole and hypocrisy from the right is stupefying.
It’s one thing I am trying to impart on my kids. If someone speaks fluently in hyperbole and absolutes, or getting louder the more they are challenged (or both), 100% they are full of shit and trying to sell you something.
Funny to think of the right viewing the, globally speaking, center-right as “radical left”. The level of hyperbole and hypocrisy from the right is stupefying.
This is a major part of the problem we’re in. And I’m sorry but I’m going to “both sides” a bit because there is plenty of blame to toss around.
Democrats and Republicans have both been upping the rhetoric for decades, describing their political opponents in harsher and scarier terms. Most politicians did so understanding that it was all basically just “campaign talk” and not really true. But it gets votes so you do it. You can see this when you see retired politicians giving interviews where their language is much softer and reasonable than when they were in office.
Republicans turned it up to 11 quicker than Democrats though - and Donald Trump and his followers actually believed the rhetoric rather than understanding that it was just campaign BS.
When did Democrats treat Republicans harshly? The problem is that they don’t, they’re spineless bastards who would rather take one step towards fascism than two steps towards progress
A few Democrats have properly called out Republicans for what they are: fascists and Nazis. This very much hurts the feelings of the fascists. Can’t you see how mean it all is?
1864?
This is a deep cut, this is an underrated comment lol
Thank you.
When did Democrats treat Republicans harshly? The problem is that they don’t, they’re spineless bastards who would rather take one step towards fascism than two steps towards progress
I get so 'fing sick of this “we play too nice it’s why we lose” BS. And yes - BOTH SIDES do that.
You mean by stopping Walz from calling Republicans “weird?”
You notice how things went from “Oh we just call them weird” to full-on “THEY’RE FASCISTS” in like 0 seconds?
For the record, the “weird” meme was years after their rhetoric was deemed objectively fascist by every historical expert on the subject. It wasn’t hyperbole, only people saying, “it can’t happen here, that’s a slippery slope argument”.
And now here we are: SCOTUS-approved racial profiling, concentration camps, disappearing, FCC openly stifling free speech, open attack on sec 230, a budget to benefit oligarchs, pay2win tariffs, rule-by-executive-order. Trump now considers it an act of terrorism to say you are anti-fascism.
To still bend over backwards to say “both sides” at this point is absolutely wild to me.
What would you call the current state of the GOP right now if not fascism?
It was probably because Trump was talking and is now acting, like a fascist.
Hell, he’s got a card carrying, open neonazi in his cabinet, that he picked. Twice.
Ie, Gorka.
Bush II was called a fascist FFS. Back when we still had a court that didn’t believe the president was a king actually and congress would at least occasionally push back on the executive.
Bush 2 was a fascist. Stealing the 2000 election, and constructing this whole extrajudicial framework with ICE and Guantanamo and whatnot, very directly laid the groundwork for what’s happening right now. Trump is only able to direct a law enforcement agency to wander the land executing his will without having to convince anyone whose allegiance is to the law instead of their orders, because George Bush set it up for him in the first place. Right-wing media at the time getting in on defining a fantastical narrative under which they could direct the anger of their followers at “enemies,” Bush saying that atheists shouldn’t be considered citizens… it was all there. It was just new, so it was just getting started, it couldn’t have much impact and the country resisted a lot of it.
Trump is more fascist than Bush was. But the people who were seeing the first little seeds of something that could grow into something horrifying, all the way back then, were 100% right.
People were saying to anyone who would listen that Guantanamo was going to lead exactly where we are today. The sane washing as we call it now goes back so far.
Let’s not forget who came after W. Those who could have undone the damage but only cemented it further and built it up.
You hear harsh words and assume they must be hyperbole without trying to determine the truth. The truth is there have been fascist elements in US government for its entire history which have waxed and waned over time; it was waxing under Bush II and now it’s a full moon. When people warned about fascism you say they were being unreasonable, even though you seem to acknowledge that Trump really is fascist, vindicating their warnings.
Ah yes, Bush, the paragon of antifascism
This comment was satire, right?
Just because Dubya wasn’t given the freedom to exact fascism, doesn’t mean The Decider didn’t want it.
I’m not gonna go into detail because PhilipTheBucket already did that, but: Yeah, the court only stole the election for him.
… if one side moves farther to the right, and the other side stays where they are, the side calling out the mover isn’t “both sides”.
(Not that Democrats haven’t also moved farther right)
They literally did a 180 on immigrants when Joe Biden was president what are you talking about lol
I mean… I say right in the post that Republicans are worse. But partisans are simply incapable of any introspection.
The reason you are being downvoted is because you are doing a “both sides” over two right wing political parties in a left wing space that overwhelmingly recognizes that neither party represents us or our interests. Whether you mean to or not you are lumping everyone left of center in with the right-wing Democrats simply because they are the least-right party that currently exists, and that is not only reductive, but harmfully inaccurate.
The Bailey’s are so fucked, and rightly furious with this chucklefuck.
Democrats need to let the shutdown happen but im almost positive they’ll just give the fascist everything he wants instead.
They need to shut it down AND call for a nationwide general strike. And then we don’t stop until every Republican has been removed from government, gerrymandering has been outlawed and fixed, and RCV is the law of the land.
Seriously. That’s what’s lacking from nearly all Democratic politicians. They don’t want to lead, they just want resistance to materialize externally, do some tone policing, and then take credit for any successes. When you’re systematically powerless, you should be building your power to impact the system from external sources.
They’re going to let the shutdown happen but they’re not going to point the blame where it needs to go. They’re going to be spineless and let the Republicans blame them for the shutdown.
They absolutely have to shut it down. That said, if they lose the messaging game (they will) they will absolutely lose this fight.
Shutting it down would be giving him what he wants: expanded powers and no one to answer to (because the government is shut down).
Schumer et al: “best we can do is write some sternly worded letters”
“Send us money to keep first past the post voting safe the two party system intact!”
That’s exactly what Republicans want. They’ve already proven previously that the people don’t actually care about a shutdown occurring. And that just lets t hem further reduce government expenses. The things that get shutdown are things they can’t grift from anyway so they don’t care about them.
It’s a lose/lose, but at this point the fascist-controlled agencies are actively working against their intended purposes, so losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil.
losing in the way that shuts down the government is the lesser evil.
Standards are low. We can easily do better if we break these legacy political parties duoopoly on the electoral system.
Okay, but that’s not going to happen by October or whenever the funding deadline is.
You gotta have a plan that’s actually actionable in the short term, or else you’re just indulging in pointless wankery.
