Oil and gas are the apple that will get us kicked out of Eden.

Yes, my MAGA family members bought Trump’s line of “I don’t know who is involved in that”.

I actually think you’re wrong. Having MAGA family members, I tuink they are legitimately brainwashed. They are in a bubble where they don’t hear the bad about Trump. They only hear good things about him and ad things about his enemies. Some of what they hear is true, much of it is lies, all of it is intended to scare.

I think that, had these people heard the same things the rest of us did, at least some of them would be voting differently. Not all, but enough.

As an American who follows this stuff pretty closely, a national abortion ban will be opposed in the courts by the states, but it will very quickly get to the Supreme Court to assess the constitutionality of the ban. When congress passes a law, the president signs it, and the Supreme Court rules that the law is constitutional, that is basically the end of it. Our current court will absolutely uphold a national abortion ban.

I think that the only way we avoid a national abortion ban under a Trump presidency is if the House of Representatives refuses to pass the ban. There is a slim chance that would happen but it’s possible.

Not enough capslock

The problem is that Republicans are being told that there is proof. That the fraud is rampant and everyone knows it. It’s just that “they” keep removing and hiding the information.

My mom seriously believes that there is mountains of proof and that she has seen it in the past, but can’t find it anymore because it has been deleted from the internet.

You’re probably right there. Looking up the onky quoted I’ve been able to find from Musk on the topic, I think he’s been careful not to incriminate himself directly. Either that or he’s been lucky in his phrasing…

… or imprisoned not more than 5 years …

That said, your point isn’t wrong. $10,000 is nothing in this context. Criminal fines should be in direct proportion to a person’s income. Also, statutes, when they mention monetary value, should peg that value to invlation, income, or some other metric that scales with time. We have SOOOOO many laws on the books that use ridiculous numbers by modern standards but were reasonable at the time they were enacted.

It’s so dumb that you’re getting downvoted for telling people the truth that they don’t want to hear. Of course you can’t just “prosecute the board”. Individually, they may or may not be complicit.

It does seem that Musk could be seen as obviously complicit, though, since he is the one out there making the pitch. DOJ should be able to go after him, criminally, if the activity continues, right?

I’m sure this is true. I wish there was a way to communicate it better, though. People have been sounding the alarm for so long that stories like this fall flat with most people. I don’t have a solution, I’m just lamenting that most people will just scroll past because we’ve been hearing dire warnings like this for decades.

At least? You thought a day pass to Disney World was at least $2,500 and maybe $25,000?

Shower sex is fun until you start smelling your husband’s colon in technicolor.

Hey, did you know that 100% fascist is more fascist than 0% fascist?

Please stop twisting words just to be annoying.

Yeah, that’s what I said.

I generally agree with you, but it does make her eat some of her own words as pointed out elsewhere in this comment section:

I think it’s fairly obvious who the more fascist candidate is here. I think it says something that Trump is too fascist for Cheney.

Also, shoving Stein’s words in her face doesn’t mean OP agrees with those words, just that Stein’s words are particularly problematic at the moment.

There is nothing bad faith in my arguments. I am sincere in saying that I disagree with sending troops over there and in saying that I don’t see it as a massive escalation to send 100 troops when we already have 50,000 in theater.

You are arguing in bad faith by ignoring what I am saying and simply labeling any disagreement as “obvious propaganda”. Nothing here is black and white. This conflict has been going on for generations. Any immediate response has generations of previous actions behind it. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

Nothing in this conflict is simple. Nothing is clear. Nothing is black and white. Maybe labeling me as a propagandist for disagreeing on one specific thing while agreeing with your broader stance shows who the real propagandist is.

Jesus fucking christ… Why does everything that anyone disagrees with “propaganda”? Why can’t it be someone with a different fucking viewpoint? What the fuck is wrong with people on Lemmy that we can’t discuss something without it being “obvious propaganda” or some other bullshit?

Not everything is black and white. There is room for disagreement on parts of this conflict. I don’t agree with the US sending troops of any kind to Israel and I think we should stop giving them weapons until they stop committing genocide. The only point I was trying to make is that it doesn’t seem like a massive escalation to send 100 troops and a defensive system when we already have 50,000 troops, many war ships, two nuclear aircraft carries, and a ton of aircraft in theater already.

I agree that we shouldn’t be sending troops to Israel right now but 100 troops is hardly “all the troops” and isn’t a large change in the number of troops in the region.

Again, I don’t think we should be sending troops or weapons to Israel right now, but this does seem like a proportional response to Iran’s attack. They launched missiles at Israel. The US sent an anti-missile battery and 100 troops to support it. It seems like kind of a token force to say “we’re supporting Israel in this, but we’re also not going to go crazy”.

I don’t hope anyone met trajedy. If someone’s MAGA parents did, I hope they posted enough on social media to show that they made their decisions because of Trump’s statements. I hope there is enough there to charge Trump with something like negligent homicide.