edit: the guy to our guy
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TBH I think misogyny is much more deeply rooted in society than transphobia.
And here’s the controversial take that’ll bring me a lot of hate: the root of transness itself is somewhere between misogyny and misandry. Our generation can’t defeat that, but we can target transphobia and hope that our children will come for misogyny and misandry 💪💪💪
the root of transness itself is somewhere between misogyny and misandry
That is the worst possible way you could say that. Even if you think people embracing gender norms for euphoria unintentionally reinforces harmful divisions, that isn’t something inherent to transness itself. We can have gender without mistreating people for it; it’s just an ongoing struggle to minimize mistreating people.
the root of transness itself is somewhere between misogyny and misandry.
What makes you feel that way? How does it jibe with people who reject both male and female identities, or who embrace both?
Lowkey, this is how you make “allies” XD
“pick a fucking struggle” Is now my favorite thing
Being a guy sucks, being a girl sucks. You don’t get to opt out! Life must also be shit for you!
Well, it’s something I guess?
Almost forgot to block this community
I want MORE
That’s just the average lemmy user (derogatory)
damn this is gold. that guy’s a genius. he might have weird views but at least they’re consistent and well thought-through (edit: except the “women are all stupid” part).
i also really cackled at the “damn, cheese, gender, what else do they deny themselves?” as if a gender is something you’re enjoying. really brightens my day that some people see it that way so instinctively.
I love trans-inclusive radical misogyny. it’s so blursed. imagine if we had this instead of terfs.
You’ve got me thinking about Pride and Prejudice and how Darcy’s flavor of misogyny could be interpreted as hatred of patriarchal limitations on the social class “women” rather than a hatred of what women actually are. That is, he hates the behavior women act out as part of a performance they’ve been forced into, but he doesn’t fully think through the concept of systemic oppression because he has no educational background to support that level of introspection, and so he’s left blaming women. I’m sure there’s probably quite a lot of writing on that angle already, but it’s the first time it’s ever occurred to me.
Wtf does that mean? Not everyone is part of your clique that believes stuff that is often inaccurate.
not sure which part is confusing you, but i’d be happy to explain.
- trans-inclusive radical misogyny would be a tongue in cheek term made up for our guys particular unusual views around gender. he clearly hates women, and doesn’t trust them in any positions of authority, but this misogyny extends equally to trans women rather than trans men. usually, these days, this kind of misogyny would be paired with a hatred, fear, and denial of the identities of trans people.
- blursed is a portmanteau of “blessed” and “cursed”. it is essentially a way of saying something has both good and bad elements, usually ones which contrast in a surprising way.
- terf is an acronym that stands for “trans exclusive radical feminism”, it is essentially a group of people who make a huge deal out of policing others gender identity and expression, especially those of trans women, under the pretense of caring about women. they have some roots in the ‘radical feminism’ of decades ago, but nowadays align much more strongly with the religious right, as hating trans people is their sole or primary political interest.
Quit typically finding the most insulting possible way to describe it thanks buddy. Hard to see how you guys lost the fight for equal rights just because you falsely accuse people of bigotry all the time to get your outrage boner off.
Yes, there are unfortunately plenty of stupid, fascism adjacent assholes out there.
Quite typically you found the most insulting possible way to explain it thanks buddy. Hard to see why everybody hates you guys.
Fascist really is your favourite word, isn’t it?
Amazing. On the surface everything I read is bigotry and disdain, but I can’t help liking the guy. At the very least he seems to have the consistency to choose his very own flavor of bigotry.
Not humor though; as far as I understand OOP he’s 100% serious. Maybe one of those people that are kinda half aware that they’re being an asshole just for conversation.
He sounds pretty autistic, and I mean that somewhat affectionately and not at all as an insult. His manner of thinking feels personally familiar to me.
Say we lived in a society that let dogs vote. You wouldn’t have to hate dogs to be real about the fact that they’re not our intellectual equals and to be frustrated with a system that gives them decision power that affects everyone in society. And you’d be even more frustrated when people around you say you’re a bad person for being dog-phobic.
I think that’s the internal world he’s living in, based on a series of false premises that he genuinely believes to be true. I think that if these false facts were corrected then his conclusions would naturally improve. It’s how it worked for me.
Ah yes, trans inclusionary radical misogynist, the TIRM.
His battle with Rowling will be legendary
Honestly, I don’t know if it would be productive but I think it would be a horrid afternoon for Rowling so I would absolutely support this.
No, I don’t think it would be productive in the least, but it would be hysterical and worth eating popcorn to!
Please make it happen. OOP, make him social media literate and translate everything to English!
That you think Rawlings is the problem does not speak well to your understanding here.
Who’s that
You guys just alienate everyone.
I knew the name from somewhere, and it turns out they make sports equipment. Their website features baseball gloves in “watermelon” and “cotton candy” designs.
Awesome, hope Cassanderer@thelemmy.club can figure out how that relates to the conversation above.
What a fascinating specimen… I wish we had more.
If we must have rude people, I want more of that guy among them.
We must have rude people!
Is there a pool going on whether “Not Gay Name” is actually gay too? He sounds so closeted, it’d be easy money.
I don’t think so because he seems jealous of the bisexual person. I think for him it would be better to have a male partner, since they’re so much more competent, but that he unfortunately only finds himself attracted to women.
Don’t forget berating the bi OOP for having “shit taste” in men
he unfortunately only finds himself attracted to women
I don’t know many straight guys who actually think that, yet it do know multiple gay men who are low-key misogynists and really glad they’re not into women. I feel like “Not Gay Name” is a younger version of a gay man i know, who almost got married to a woman who eventually found out he was cheating just not with girls.
I’d go in on that pool. None of his reactions exude disgust or distaste - more just an internal logic of possible inconveniences, compromises, or difficulties for those that are gay - such as not being seen as attractive by other gays, or discrimination/harassment.
Definitely seems like he’s thought it through and that these could be his own counterarguments for coming out that he came up with.
