i know that the rhetoric he pushed was vile but videos like there really strike me in the feels for some reason. he was a father. he was a husband. but he was also a fascist. and the policies he helped to instate, if i were to be an american, would harm me immensely. it’s conflicting because yes he’s a piece of shit and a sellout and a grifter, but these videos (as corny as some may be) give him humanity beyond who he was politically. it’s just… fuck man.
I find myself having similar feelings towards people I work around. Some of them seem like good people… Because I’m a straight passing white guy, I mask whatever mental bullshit I’ve got going on well, and I work hard. To them, I’m one of them. Ngl I kind of hate that. I haven’t had much privilege in life but that’s obviously a big one.
Anyway, at the end of the day we are all human.
It’s just that some of those humans have chosen to spew hateful ideologies and influence others to live that ideology.
It reminds me of the stories i’ve read about the post-war nazi hunting that drags through the years. really makes me ponder the question of rehabilitative vs retributive justice in those aspects.
I do not believe that they wouldn’t do it again. Nor that their continued existence isn’t contributing to the build up that would eventually unleash their ideology again. I do not see it as retributive, but as self-defence.
You’re absolutely right about it evoking feelings about those nazis that go into hiding. But I also think it can just be other people in general. How much do you truly know someone? We do not all share our pasts.
sometimes i’ve gotta remind myself that because all these people look so normal. so ordinary. both kirk and erika look like normal blokes who’d live down the street from you and bake cookies with their kids on saturdays. but then you remember that kirk called on violence towards marginalized groups and peddled so much propaganda that definitely resulted in at least someone being radicalized and all of a sudden their humanity seems… almost obsolete. like it doesn’t matter that they’ve got families and hopes and dreams because they’re so adamant on ruining the lives of others for being part of the current out-group. i just hope his kids do better.
Yeah, things like this present an emotional nexus where you’re pulled in many different directions and there is no “right” or “wrong” way to feel, only useful and not useful. All these things are true at once, and it’s up to each person to decide how to proceed with it. I personally choose to embrace the “lol he dead” angle because I view it as the most pragmatic for me, but i won’t disparage anyone who doesn’t, as long as they don’t go down the harmful lib path of wishful whitewashing.
well said. i don’t wanna be the one to go “LMAO sucks to suck loser” about all this but i won’t pretend to mourn either. he’s dead. okay. he was a bad person and his life’s work led to a fascist party coming to power. he had kids and a wife and was a father of questionable quality. that’s that, i s’pose.
i know that the rhetoric he pushed was vile but videos like there really strike me in the feels for some reason. he was a father. he was a husband. but he was also a fascist. and the policies he helped to instate, if i were to be an american, would harm me immensely. it’s conflicting because yes he’s a piece of shit and a sellout and a grifter, but these videos (as corny as some may be) give him humanity beyond who he was politically. it’s just… fuck man.
I find myself having similar feelings towards people I work around. Some of them seem like good people… Because I’m a straight passing white guy, I mask whatever mental bullshit I’ve got going on well, and I work hard. To them, I’m one of them. Ngl I kind of hate that. I haven’t had much privilege in life but that’s obviously a big one.
Anyway, at the end of the day we are all human.
It’s just that some of those humans have chosen to spew hateful ideologies and influence others to live that ideology.
So fuck him and his family.
what a fun image
Yeah it sticks with you.
It reminds me of the stories i’ve read about the post-war nazi hunting that drags through the years. really makes me ponder the question of rehabilitative vs retributive justice in those aspects.
I do not believe that they wouldn’t do it again. Nor that their continued existence isn’t contributing to the build up that would eventually unleash their ideology again. I do not see it as retributive, but as self-defence.
You’re absolutely right about it evoking feelings about those nazis that go into hiding. But I also think it can just be other people in general. How much do you truly know someone? We do not all share our pasts.
I agree with this. The empathy of the whole thought just stings ever so slightly
oddly fitting
Fascists are human, yes. Their inhumanity towards those they would exterminate, is why we fight.
sometimes i’ve gotta remind myself that because all these people look so normal. so ordinary. both kirk and erika look like normal blokes who’d live down the street from you and bake cookies with their kids on saturdays. but then you remember that kirk called on violence towards marginalized groups and peddled so much propaganda that definitely resulted in at least someone being radicalized and all of a sudden their humanity seems… almost obsolete. like it doesn’t matter that they’ve got families and hopes and dreams because they’re so adamant on ruining the lives of others for being part of the current out-group. i just hope his kids do better.edit: nvm kirk can go get fucked
Yeah, things like this present an emotional nexus where you’re pulled in many different directions and there is no “right” or “wrong” way to feel, only useful and not useful. All these things are true at once, and it’s up to each person to decide how to proceed with it. I personally choose to embrace the “lol he dead” angle because I view it as the most pragmatic for me, but i won’t disparage anyone who doesn’t, as long as they don’t go down the harmful lib path of wishful whitewashing.
well said. i don’t wanna be the one to go “LMAO sucks to suck loser” about all this but i won’t pretend to mourn either. he’s dead. okay. he was a bad person and his life’s work led to a fascist party coming to power. he had kids and a wife and was a father of questionable quality. that’s that, i s’pose.
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