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O woe us, what are we gonna do!
I didn’t hear no chill though.
What exactly is the point of a Jellyfin server? Wouldn’t it be easier to just like, open the files? Why would that require a server?
In addition to the UI others have mentioned, I host mine behind a VPN so all my friends can use it over the Internet, too. It gets a decent amount of traffic every week.
You get a cute little user interface to browse through your movies and shows with little posters and information. You also don’t have to use a flash drive and move stuff over if you want to watch from your PlayStation or other device. just a browser is enough.
If I can just add to what @glinncor@lemmy.world said:
I personally have one so that I don’t have to mess around with plugging in any hdmi cables and moving my laptop from where it’s docked, I can flick on the server and then it can just be accessed on any tv in the house by anyone.
This is the way. And you can watch from anywhere in the world if you set things up with a VPN.
So one can watch from a phone, tablet, TV etc.
Plex & sex
Emby & embrace
Jellyfin & sin
Stream and cream?
Love the potrait of Linus Torvalds behind Xenia
setting up a small jellyfin server for my family instead of getting 32402398423948 subs to shitty streaming companies was the best thing i did
Just don’t talk about the part where we spend ~$1000 on acquiring 20TB of HDD
24TB Seagate drives are on sale for 249 right now, actually a good time to stock up
You got to learn how to shuck those Western digital drives when they go on sale.
Shucking drives? What part of JBOD did you not understand. Half of them don’t even fit in the case, they are just piled up on top of each other.
🤤
I’ll show you how hard my drives are.
My QNAP NAS is rapidly approaching 20 years old, I just dump media onto it and then use Infuse as the front end on my Apple TVs.
It does the trick for the time being, but I do want to spin up a HexOS system with a set of 3x16TB drives to eventually replace it.
As all should have
How’s the barrier to entry for Jellyfin? I just got done investing in Plex when they started changing their payment model
Dockstarter with jellyfin + sonarr + radarr + qbittorrent + swag is your friend. I actually found jellyfin easier to setup. Don’t have to worry to much that streams are getting transcoded. Setting swag up was some effort though.
I just use jellyfin, what is all of the rest of those things for?
All of the *arr apps are for automatic media downloading and organization.
You want all the new seasons of a show? Just mark that as a ‘monitored’ show in sonarr. When new episodes are released, sonarr uses your torrent indexer to get the torrent or magnet link and sends that to your torrent downloader. Once the download completes, it renames the file with metadata and puts it into the spot where jellyfin/plex is expecting the file to be.
It’s an automation stack for media piracy.
SpaceInvaderOne has a bunch of tutorials on how to set things up if you want to dive into the full self-hosting ocean.
Very cool, thanks for the explanation!
Maybe this is just me but using a torrent through a CLI is something I have not explored at all, I just transfer files back and forth. Seems very useful
Harder than plex to set up, but not difficult.
If you want to watch outside the network then you’ll need to port forward.
You really shouldn’t port forward Jellyfin. Hell, you really shouldn’t port forward anything. A domain is like a dollar per month. Use a reverse proxy with some sort of login gate like Authentik or Authelia.
If you’re only using it for yourself then there are a lot worse things that people do (like downloading apps for websites, using untrusted VPNs, or even just using the web)
Reverse proxy is more advanced and I think someone who needs it wouldn’t be worried about ease of use.
Just use a tunneling service like tailscale. Easy as fug to set up, and only people who know your credentials can poke about in your server.
If you remember to disconnect machines other than the server from the VPN when not using them and don’t share out the server too much, you don’t even have to spend money.
You don’t even need to remember to disconnect machines you can have a 100 different clients(is that the right word?) on a tailnet. Honestly it’s so sick and amazing it’s free
afaik (and I might be super wrong) you can have up to 100 machines IN the network, but only 3 connected at any given time in the free plan.
But yes, it’s sick and amazing either way.
Nope, free allows for up to 3 users and 100 connected devices. And if you run it on your router, the entire network only counts as one device. So for instance, you and two of your friends could all join the same tailnet. Their business model is basically the same as WinRAR’s; give it to individual users for free, to get people on board. Then charge corporations to use it at scale, since the individual users already know how to use it.
The only reason I don’t personally use it is because my work WiFi blocks outgoing WireGuard connections. And that’s Tailscale’s biggest weakness in my experience; They tout themselves as a zero-config VPN, but that means you’re not able to config things if you need to. If I were able to flip over to OpenVPN or IKEv2/IPSec instead of WireGuard, I’d be fine. But Tailscale doesn’t have the ability to do that, because it would require configuration.
So if you want to watch outside you’re home network, the solution is to blow a hole through your firewall and just raw dog the internet through it? Air out your delicious little jelly hole for the world to see?
I wonder how we teach the kids about VPNs? Clearly their favorite brainrot youchubers/twitchies/tiktogglers nordvpn ads aren’t getting through…
Or reverse proxy, but that’s a bit more complex
Install the package, chuck files at it, it basically runs itself.
Is there a time investment for scanning and importing my library? That’s where Plex got me, so much stuff to sort and edit metadata after getting started
If your library has sensible file names it’ll do it all for you. If you can export .nfo files from Plex (I don’t know, never used Plex), Jellyfin will scan those too. Just add the library to Jellyfin and forget all about it for an hour or two.
Jellyfin is great if you are only streaming content locally. If you have people outside your network trying to stream, it is more cumbersome to set up than Plex
Jellyfin and fuck.
Jellyfin and stick it in
How do people have so much money to buy so much storage?
Used enterprise drives and a SAS controller. Last batch of SAS drives I bought were 16TB for $115 each.
Unraid (and I think ZFS and Ceph as well) supports adding drives 1-by-1 and different sized drives to your array. You can just buy single drives or spares whenever a sale comes around to keep expanding your storage.
You don’t need to buy it all at once.
Long-term planning is a pathway to many powers CEOs would call…unnatural.
They are not paying for all the streaming services
You can buy this amount each year or pay for Netflix 4k for the same year. HDDs are not that expensive.
Trick is to buy used disks. My entire raid pool is cobbled together from large-ish drives that got pulled from commercial servers and sold off on the cheap. Last set i bought was 3x14tb for $400.
The Standard Plan for Nextflix is about 216 bucks a year. A new 10gb HDD runs around $200. Less if you look for deals and/or go for refurbished. But a total of 20tb of storage would be equivalent to two years of Netflix without ads if paying for brand new drives and not looking for deals.
10 gb hdd for 200$? Dude I have a bridge to sell you :)
i got 18tb drives at £190 a few years ago, pretty much all streaming services are about £100 each a year.
Like $300? Plenty of foxes can afford that.
You don’t have to buy it all at once
I made do with a bit over 2 Tb for a bit over 15 years.
But earlier this year I bought two 3 Tb drives, and they’re a bit more expensive here in Denmark due to 25% VAT, so it was 648 DKK per drive (or $101 USD / €87 EUR). And I’m on the lowest income you can get here.
So it is possible to upgrade every now and then, and I’m very happy I’m now on 6 Tb storage (+ 2 Tb NVMe main drive, though not for storage).
I imagine if I had a job in IT, I’d be swimming in it, I’d probably have nerded out on a NAS, though even now I don’t see what I’d need it for.The real question is:
How do people have so much media to fill up those drives?
Followed by: how do people have so much time to watch that media?
Followed by: human driven climate change is real. How can people waste energy just to hoard media that they rarely ever see again?
I understand somehow if you are torrenting and contributing to the sharing ecosystem, but just hoarding?
Q1: They have a knowledge of how to use BitTorrent, or Usenet or somesuch, without being caught.
Q2: They don’t, the point of a library is having things in case you want or need them, or maybe somebody else does.
Q3: I guarantee you it takes less energy and carbon to set up and operate a relatively small local library than it does to operate a giant realtime global streaming enterprise, by probably multiple orders of magnitude.
Fuck, I could do this with a SteamDeck, external drives or something, and run it all on a home solar power / battery system you can get off the shelf.
Have you ever seen, like physically seen, a massive datacenter the size of an auto manufacturing planr, a high rise building that is 50% server racks by floor?
Just how many racks there, how much water and energy is used?
Also: You’re arguing here that feeding evil megacorps is somehow better for the environment, than starving them?
Really?
No, I’m trying to understand why someone would store so many pictures. 20TB is enough for 330 4K movies or 10,000 1080P movies.
“Just in case I need it” is the principle of hoarding.
If you are saying 330 movies is ‘hoarding’, I don’t know what to tell you.
When I grew up in the 90s, we had almost 50 VHS movies.
Wealthier friends of mine had up to or over 100 or 200.
Now what took a large shelfing unit or cabinet… fits into about the size of a brick.
Also… you are missing that digital data can be essentially instantly copied, duplicated, and shared with others.
You are also entirely discounting the idea that infrastructure could collapse, you are assuming that using it as we do now, will remain as relatively inexpensive as it is now, forever.
I am not so optimistic.
From that standpoint, it is less hoarding, as it is archiving.
On my own, I can somewhat regularly use 1tb of internet data in a month and I’m not even a data horder. I always keep a tv on in the background (which these days usually means streaming stuff). I also stream music pretty frequently.
Its not at all unrealistic these days for someone over the course of 2+ years to get 20tb of data all in one place. And if thats media that gets accessed frequently (like music) it probably saves bandwidth and energy storing it that way.
Music we listen to many times but it barely uses any space for today’s standards.
Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it.
And movies? There may be a few favourites we watch again and even if they were 4K wouldn’t use that much space. 20TB is space enough for 330 4K 2 hour movies! Or 10,000 1080P movies. Let’s say that your job is to watch movies 8 hours a day. That’s 4 movies per day, that’s 500 weeks to watch 10,000 movies. Or 10 years (if you take a two week vacation every year). And that’s without repeating.
Let’s say you have 100 favourite movies that you like to watch on demand on 4 K (really an exaggeration) you only need 6 TB.
Si, my question stands.
It depends on the quality you’re looking for. Data hoarders often keep really really high quality files so they can convert it into whatever they want later on.
A 4k remux can range from ~30gb-80gb. That’s ~200 4k movies assuming most are around 50gb.
A 48khz .flac music album is ~500mb. That’s not alot but music makes sense to save locally, plenty of people just keep their music going all the time on shuffle.
Also
Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it
There is no point not storing it, you’re going to use the data either way, why not keep it? At the end of the day, you can get 20tb of storage for a reasonable amount of money, and typically the people with that kinda storage have accumulated it over the course of several years. You can always decide to get rid of stuff you don’t need if you find yourself low on space.
4 x 5 TB internal HDDs costs roughly $500.
Thats roughly a Switch 2 or Steam Deck…
… or about $42 a month, for a year, of maybe what, 2 simultaneous subscription services?
You don’t even need to get new drives to begin, just use what you probably already have lying around, old external hard drives. Use a RAID and swap drives as they fail.
Netflix premium (4k) is like $7.35/month. But HDDs are not comparatively cheaper.
Uh idk where you got that but in the us market 7.99 gets you standard with ads, the 4k tier is 25 dollars a month.
India has cheaper subscriptions. The lowest tier, 480p is 170 INR, which is about 3 USD.
If you’re in india then my understanding is that IPTV is the most cost effective option by a large margin. I"ve never lived there but my family is scattered between Bangladesh and india and they all use IPTVs.
but I guess to answer your original question: regional pricing
Is Netflix 4k bitrate of comparable quality to uh, say a ripped bluray?
Does that Netflix sub have ads?
Genuine questions, I don’t know.
You could also try to factor in the uh, cost of internet and datacaps and all that.
Could probably save some money in the long run, though thats gonna vary a lot by location and use case and I guess income/wealth situation, household size, all that.
BluRays are obviously better. I was just saying that not subscribing to Netflix is America will save a lot more than not subscribing in India. But the storage cost is very similar.
No, that sub does not have ads. There is, however a mobile only, 480p, subscription too, for less than 3 USD.
