For the ‘Carney is basically just Poilievre’ Crowd, a look at Poilievre’s proposed legislation (note: this from about a month ago)
I’ve seen this take that Carney is just as bad as Poilievre more than a few times. And while Carney may not be as Green as some had hoped for but my goodness, the difference between him and Poilievre is staggering.
Figured it’s worth posting the legislation that Poilievre put forward in August which includes removing pipeline regulations, scrapping the West Coast oil-tanker ban; killing the industrial carbon tax; eliminating the electric vehicle mandate and reversing the single-use plastics ban.
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Their brain hurts. Give hoser a break. 😄
Poilievre said the Sovereignty Act would also include his campaign promise to exempt people from capital gains tax when they reinvest the proceeds of an investment in a Canadian company.
This one is insane. The 1% would accumulate so much more wealth, tax free, with this. JFC.
It’s honestly crazy that we saw the US do this literally months ago with Trump and Harris and somehow no lesson was learned.
The US did the exact opposite of this: rally behind ineffectual neoliberals who would not and could not get the job done.
I mean, the US rallied behind Trump, if anything.
Democrats in particular didn’t go for somebody from the progressive wing, but I’m not sure if that would have helped. Look at Jeremy Corbyn. The actual alternative would be for party leadership to recognise the system was done for and aggressively manage it’s collapse, but they didn’t come anywhere close to that. The class of people in charge seemed to prefer the theory that they could manifest a functional democracy by believing in it hard enough.
Maybe there was another path if you change things all the way back in the 'oughts. By Obama’s presidency things were already in a deadlock death spiral.
So far , Carney did nothing but incompetence and betrayed Canadian with the major promise of fighting Trump. This is so frustrating to me because the mini trump will win next time because of it
No, he is a banker, and all his solutions are neoliberal.
PP is fascism light, like those drinks that assure you artificial sweeteners are harmless but cause cancer long term.
Yes, we don’t need to exaggerate, Carney’s neoliberal austerity doesn’t have to be fascism to be overall bad for us.
My problem is that poor governance from the lesser of two evils almost inevitably results in a swing towards the greater of two evils.
It just delays the worst, doesn’t avert it.
We had other options, as uninspiring as they may have been. Now we’re locked into a FPTP two-party death spiral, and both parties bear the responsibility for it; the cons for being unrepentant monsters, and the libs for pandering to the right and to capital at the expense of the best interests of the majority of the electorate when they could and should be choosing policy directions that don’t perpetuate ballooning inequality and the decay of the social safety net.
Carney in particular watched (and to some extent, presided over) decades of just this kind of decline in the UK, he absolutely knows what his policy directives are going to do to this country.
We do not choose the ideal; we choose the best from the choices we’re given.
There is no liberal so bad that a conservative cannot make it worse.
Yeah, but saying that shows you’re a bigger leftist than the next poster. Who cares if it’s not factually accurate? /s
Pssssh, amateurs, actions speak louder than words! For example, whenever I’m on public transit and we’re about to turn
rightnot Left, I stand up and demand the driver instead make three Left turns instead. Admittedly, this has been difficult on trains but it’s the effort that counts.Edit: formatting
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Defending Carney will only make Poilievre wins the next election
So how are you going to beat Poilievre?
Make pressure on Carney to respect his comittements
You’ll put pressure on Carney in order to go after Poilievre? That makes sense. /s
On the off chance you mean that Carney is more likely to win the next election if he does what the left fringe wants him to, no, not really. That’s questionable against any candidate, and this particular Conservative leader specialises in stirring up outrage over ambitious policies.
He also made commitments that were pretty mild in the first place, aside from cuts to spending that he probably can’t deliver.
Carney is more likely to win the next election if he does what the left fringe wants him to
Carney is more likely to win the next election if he redeem himself and start respecting his engagements toward the people who make him win the last time. He didn’t deliver a single thing right now
the people who make him win the last time
Voters? I agree, he has to make them happy.
Lemmings? Lol no.
Of course, voters don’t know the issues very well, go by soundbites to judge who’s doing what and just get tired of people eventually. So far he’s managed to cultivate a totally different image from his predecessor, neutralise Poilievre’s attacks, and keep the economy from totally rupturing anywhere, so I’d say he’s doing fine so far.
They’re not defending Carney. Just stating the fact that PP is significantly worse. A fact that’s being muddled by unfounded criticism of Carney. Some folks who didn’t have a strong anti-PP opinion like a family member of ours is asking whether we shoulda voted for PP if Carney is bad, after hearing unqualigird critique of Carney. It’s important to criticize Carney for his fuckups but that should always be grounded in the relevant PP context.
As for NDP voters who lent their votes to Carney this round, we don’t need unfounded critique to know the NDP is better for us.
Basically it’s important to tailor one’s message depending on the audience in order to achieve the desired understanding. Most of us here know what’s up politically.
Carney already broke his biggest promise of fighting Trump. Many criticism of Carney are very well funded so it’s really important to help at least vocally Carney accountable so he don’t make us lose to conservative in the next election .
It’s important to criticize Carney for his fuckups
But the OP said this
Carney may not be as Green as some had hoped
This is barely a criticism
PP is not going to win the leadership review.
I think I’d take that bet!
I’m super curious how the base will see it. On the one hand, he did win a much larger percentage of the popular vote than most Conservative leaders have won while making inroads in traditionally Left areas.
But, he also lost one of the largest polling leads in modern Canadian history…
On the other hand, the Liberals won in large part because of voters from the NDP/Greens defected to the Liberals… But then how much of that was to keep Poilievre out versus some other Con?
You could go nuts going back and forth on that.
Not only did he lose the lead, he failed to even get elected and had to be given the literal safest riding for a Conservative in the country to get a seat. Which I feel is not the best sign for someone who’s career has entirely revolved around politics.
What seat would you have expected him to take, if not a very junior member of the party’s? He can’t win you a Liberal seat in a voluntary by-election…
I mean frankly I’m shocked the party kept him around and even gave him another chance. It’s especially hypocritical as PP was extremely vocal against Carney not holding a seat after being nominated as LPC leader.
Hypocrisy in politics is nothing new and certainly not something someone would resign over (he’ll have his own rationale about some trivial detail.)
As for turfing him out right away, he just led the Conservatives to crack 40% of the popular vote, something they hadn’t done for 30+ years (Mulroney in '88 was the last one) and it took almost historic defections from the NDP/Greens to keep them out of power.
If things don’t get better rapidly (economy, housing, both of which are long term challenges unlikely to be solved in a single Parliament) I’d say Poilievre has a pretty good shot next time as the defectors return to their parties and the Right continues to rise among young voters etc.
I literally don’t know how it could be seen another way, which is how I know his dumb fuck base will keep him.
The seat, that’s because that was likely one of the most junior members of the party (“seniority sucks until you’re senior”) and the election… Well, they cracked 40% which they hadn’t done since '88.
So the question for their base becomes “which is more likely, Poilievre keeps most of his coalition together or everyone else in Canada bands together to stop him again?”
Personally, I have trouble imagining the NDP/Greens don’t recover to some degree.
Throw in economic pain from tarrifs etc and well, unless you really expect Carney to magically fix large systemic global problems…
Explain your logic please
It’s the same logic on how democrats lost to republicans in the usa
