For the ‘Carney is basically just Poilievre’ Crowd, a look at Poilievre’s proposed legislation (note: this from about a month ago)
I’ve seen this take that Carney is just as bad as Poilievre more than a few times. And while Carney may not be as Green as some had hoped for but my goodness, the difference between him and Poilievre is staggering.
Figured it’s worth posting the legislation that Poilievre put forward in August which includes removing pipeline regulations, scrapping the West Coast oil-tanker ban; killing the industrial carbon tax; eliminating the electric vehicle mandate and reversing the single-use plastics ban.
Defending Carney will only make Poilievre wins the next election
So how are you going to beat Poilievre?
Make pressure on Carney to respect his comittements
You’ll put pressure on Carney in order to go after Poilievre? That makes sense. /s
On the off chance you mean that Carney is more likely to win the next election if he does what the left fringe wants him to, no, not really. That’s questionable against any candidate, and this particular Conservative leader specialises in stirring up outrage over ambitious policies.
He also made commitments that were pretty mild in the first place, aside from cuts to spending that he probably can’t deliver.
Carney is more likely to win the next election if he redeem himself and start respecting his engagements toward the people who make him win the last time. He didn’t deliver a single thing right now
Voters? I agree, he has to make them happy.
Lemmings? Lol no.
Of course, voters don’t know the issues very well, go by soundbites to judge who’s doing what and just get tired of people eventually. So far he’s managed to cultivate a totally different image from his predecessor, neutralise Poilievre’s attacks, and keep the economy from totally rupturing anywhere, so I’d say he’s doing fine so far.
They’re not defending Carney. Just stating the fact that PP is significantly worse. A fact that’s being muddled by unfounded criticism of Carney. Some folks who didn’t have a strong anti-PP opinion like a family member of ours is asking whether we shoulda voted for PP if Carney is bad, after hearing unqualigird critique of Carney. It’s important to criticize Carney for his fuckups but that should always be grounded in the relevant PP context.
As for NDP voters who lent their votes to Carney this round, we don’t need unfounded critique to know the NDP is better for us.
Basically it’s important to tailor one’s message depending on the audience in order to achieve the desired understanding. Most of us here know what’s up politically.
Carney already broke his biggest promise of fighting Trump. Many criticism of Carney are very well funded so it’s really important to help at least vocally Carney accountable so he don’t make us lose to conservative in the next election .
But the OP said this
This is barely a criticism
PP is not going to win the leadership review.
I think I’d take that bet!
I’m super curious how the base will see it. On the one hand, he did win a much larger percentage of the popular vote than most Conservative leaders have won while making inroads in traditionally Left areas.
But, he also lost one of the largest polling leads in modern Canadian history…
On the other hand, the Liberals won in large part because of voters from the NDP/Greens defected to the Liberals… But then how much of that was to keep Poilievre out versus some other Con?
You could go nuts going back and forth on that.
Not only did he lose the lead, he failed to even get elected and had to be given the literal safest riding for a Conservative in the country to get a seat. Which I feel is not the best sign for someone who’s career has entirely revolved around politics.
What seat would you have expected him to take, if not a very junior member of the party’s? He can’t win you a Liberal seat in a voluntary by-election…
I mean frankly I’m shocked the party kept him around and even gave him another chance. It’s especially hypocritical as PP was extremely vocal against Carney not holding a seat after being nominated as LPC leader.
Hypocrisy in politics is nothing new and certainly not something someone would resign over (he’ll have his own rationale about some trivial detail.)
As for turfing him out right away, he just led the Conservatives to crack 40% of the popular vote, something they hadn’t done for 30+ years (Mulroney in '88 was the last one) and it took almost historic defections from the NDP/Greens to keep them out of power.
If things don’t get better rapidly (economy, housing, both of which are long term challenges unlikely to be solved in a single Parliament) I’d say Poilievre has a pretty good shot next time as the defectors return to their parties and the Right continues to rise among young voters etc.
I literally don’t know how it could be seen another way, which is how I know his dumb fuck base will keep him.
The seat, that’s because that was likely one of the most junior members of the party (“seniority sucks until you’re senior”) and the election… Well, they cracked 40% which they hadn’t done since '88.
So the question for their base becomes “which is more likely, Poilievre keeps most of his coalition together or everyone else in Canada bands together to stop him again?”
Personally, I have trouble imagining the NDP/Greens don’t recover to some degree.
Throw in economic pain from tarrifs etc and well, unless you really expect Carney to magically fix large systemic global problems…
Explain your logic please
It’s the same logic on how democrats lost to republicans in the usa