I hate how some are trying to spin this as “he was killed just for having different opinions” like no, he didn’t just have “different opinions” that’s grossly oversimplifying things, he advocated for the genocide in Gaza, said kids being shot in school is “worth it” because “god given rights” (which version of the Bible had assault rifles in it?) ridiculed disabled people in his circles, and said if his 9 year old daughter got raped he wouldn’t allow her to have an abortion
All while in a position of authority and power with influence over a significant portion of people. How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
If they’re “just words” then why are they so butthurt over our words? It’s just words when I say “Charlie Kirk deserved what he got”. What’s the big deal???
I heard something like that from 2 different ‘news’ sources. One was Fox News and the other was PBS news. The PBS one was a lot less direct, but some rando who knew nothing about him could still take that message away. Zero mention of what he advocated for beyond challenging opinions on college campuses and mentioning he was a right wing influencer. They were playing up the think of the CEO’s family card just like they did with the UHC CEO. Oh and don’t forget the 247 (/s) random politicians who condemn political violence.
don’t forget the 247 (/s) random politicians who condemn political violence.
Okay. That’s just what they feel they have to do for appearances. Even the ones who actively wish for political violence (Trump) say that shit. No one should be surprised there.
Why do you disbelieve me? Do you think that PBS news wouldn’t focus on the political beliefs of a political activist without actually mentioning what those beliefs are when eulogizing him? They talked about how he was big in the Maga movement and how he was close to trump, but they didn’t mention any of his horrible views that he got flack for. When you don’t mention what his actual horrible views were and instead focus on a bunch of politicians’ generic condemnation of political violence, It’s not exactly a stretch to think that a viewer could think he was killed for his opinions or his political stance. PBS didn’t say that directly, but they don’t have to for people to take that message away.
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why. I’m not trying to defend the guy, but fundamentally that’s what is supposed to divide the progressives/liberals vs the conservatives. The conservatives don’t care except when it’s their own while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.
No he wasn’t a human being, he was a fascist. The two are mutually exclusive. The world is a better place now that he’s not in it and that’s worth celebrating.
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why.
Julius Streicher was also a human being. He was hanged at Nuremberg for the same kind of hate-mongering that Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of crimes against humanity.
There’s a long list of people taking our liberties away, and the guy who says stupid shit is pretty far down on that list. Words matter, but they’re not violence.
Why do you think the actual white power, right extremists are getting closer and closer to power everywhere? Why is there is a spike in young men leaning right? Because they listen to assholes like this one. Words are very dangerous in the long run.
But the ends don’t justify the means. Morality isn’t outcome-oriented. It’s wrong to kill someone just for their words and ideas.
If the assassin had targeted the people enacting those ideas, that might be different. But assassinations tend to be a net negative. I can’t think of an exception.
No, its because they see asshole like you cheering for the murder of people who say dumb shit. How the fuck can you not see your own extremism when its so fucking blatant??? “People who dont agree with me deserve to die!”. That you lot, thats you lot right fucking now.
Nah, it’s the same playbook every time. You have dangerous right wing rhetoric justifying violence (as seen in this thread, even by Kirk himself) that leads to political violence and the right is just “this is deserved” (see J6 or the attack on democratic lawmakers), but when it hits themselves, suddenly political violence is the worst and collective pearl-clutching starts. These people have created a dangerous atmosphere that they can’t control and it’s backfiring, there was never an attempt from them to defuse it.
People like Kevin Roberts who threaten revolutions with thinly veiled violence etc… btw my personal theory is that Kirk was shot by a right wing lunatic who was disappointed in Kirk’s 180 on the Epstein files which went from something like “this is the biggest conspiracy in history, never trust the government” to “I trust my friends in the government” over a weekend. They have created an atmosphere of “you need to fight those in power by any means necessary” and now they find themselves in an awkward spot.
Anyhow, everybody in the thread you replied to just did what Kirk ask them to. Not show empathy, not let the victims emotionally hijack the narrative. He made the world a worse place, I don’t know if it’s gonna be better without him but I have no reason to believe otherwise.
“Everybody in the thread just did what Kirk asked them to…” And you dont see the problem there?
As for the world being a better place… I highly doubt it, since hes now going to be a rallying cry for action against “the left”. Hes a martyr now, a symbol that right wing lunatics while cling to as they march down the streets demanding Trans people are butchered, immigrants, legal and otherwise, are shot in the streets. “We need you, Trump, to do a third term. Its a civil war out here, dont you know?” will be next.
Shooting people is never, ever, your first resort in silencing a voice. Facts and words are. Violence only ever causes more violence. Someone out there today, he never hurt anyone, is going to pay the price for what happened to Kirk. You know its true. You all do. Yet youre all still all over social media happy, and cheering, and back slapping.
In the famous of words of John Wick… “Consequences.”
So, youre the same kind of cunt he is? And youre good with that? I dont know, I would have thought seeing how much of a prick he was would put you off being one, but here you are, repeating his talking points like a fucking ghoul…
I hate how some are trying to spin this as “he was killed just for having different opinions” like no, he didn’t just have “different opinions” that’s grossly oversimplifying things, he advocated for the genocide in Gaza, said kids being shot in school is “worth it” because “god given rights” (which version of the Bible had assault rifles in it?) ridiculed disabled people in his circles, and said if his 9 year old daughter got raped he wouldn’t allow her to have an abortion
All while in a position of authority and power with influence over a significant portion of people. How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
If they’re “just words” then why are they so butthurt over our words? It’s just words when I say “Charlie Kirk deserved what he got”. What’s the big deal???
For a white ethnostate, obviously.
…like who?
I heard something like that from 2 different ‘news’ sources. One was Fox News and the other was PBS news. The PBS one was a lot less direct, but some rando who knew nothing about him could still take that message away. Zero mention of what he advocated for beyond challenging opinions on college campuses and mentioning he was a right wing influencer. They were playing up the think of the CEO’s family card just like they did with the UHC CEO. Oh and don’t forget the 247 (/s) random politicians who condemn political violence.
Shocking
No, it wasn’t. Bullshit.
Okay. That’s just what they feel they have to do for appearances. Even the ones who actively wish for political violence (Trump) say that shit. No one should be surprised there.
I watched PBS news tonight as well, and what AndiHutch said was pretty much right on.
Why do you disbelieve me? Do you think that PBS news wouldn’t focus on the political beliefs of a political activist without actually mentioning what those beliefs are when eulogizing him? They talked about how he was big in the Maga movement and how he was close to trump, but they didn’t mention any of his horrible views that he got flack for. When you don’t mention what his actual horrible views were and instead focus on a bunch of politicians’ generic condemnation of political violence, It’s not exactly a stretch to think that a viewer could think he was killed for his opinions or his political stance. PBS didn’t say that directly, but they don’t have to for people to take that message away.
PBS is a respectable news source that I trust. Some internet rando is not.
Advocating for genocide in Gaza isn’t even a different opinion. It’s the same opinion as democratic party leadership.
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why. I’m not trying to defend the guy, but fundamentally that’s what is supposed to divide the progressives/liberals vs the conservatives. The conservatives don’t care except when it’s their own while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.
No he wasn’t a human being, he was a fascist. The two are mutually exclusive. The world is a better place now that he’s not in it and that’s worth celebrating.
People don’t sympathize with their trash when it ends up in landfill.
Julius Streicher was also a human being. He was hanged at Nuremberg for the same kind of hate-mongering that Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of crimes against humanity.
Maybe it’s time to start fighting fot our liberties, instead of feeling bad for the guys taking them away.
There’s a long list of people taking our liberties away, and the guy who says stupid shit is pretty far down on that list. Words matter, but they’re not violence.
Why do you think the actual white power, right extremists are getting closer and closer to power everywhere? Why is there is a spike in young men leaning right? Because they listen to assholes like this one. Words are very dangerous in the long run.
Yes, words matter.
But the ends don’t justify the means. Morality isn’t outcome-oriented. It’s wrong to kill someone just for their words and ideas.
If the assassin had targeted the people enacting those ideas, that might be different. But assassinations tend to be a net negative. I can’t think of an exception.
No, its because they see asshole like you cheering for the murder of people who say dumb shit. How the fuck can you not see your own extremism when its so fucking blatant??? “People who dont agree with me deserve to die!”. That you lot, thats you lot right fucking now.
Jesus christ.
Nah, it’s the same playbook every time. You have dangerous right wing rhetoric justifying violence (as seen in this thread, even by Kirk himself) that leads to political violence and the right is just “this is deserved” (see J6 or the attack on democratic lawmakers), but when it hits themselves, suddenly political violence is the worst and collective pearl-clutching starts. These people have created a dangerous atmosphere that they can’t control and it’s backfiring, there was never an attempt from them to defuse it.
People like Kevin Roberts who threaten revolutions with thinly veiled violence etc… btw my personal theory is that Kirk was shot by a right wing lunatic who was disappointed in Kirk’s 180 on the Epstein files which went from something like “this is the biggest conspiracy in history, never trust the government” to “I trust my friends in the government” over a weekend. They have created an atmosphere of “you need to fight those in power by any means necessary” and now they find themselves in an awkward spot.
Anyhow, everybody in the thread you replied to just did what Kirk ask them to. Not show empathy, not let the victims emotionally hijack the narrative. He made the world a worse place, I don’t know if it’s gonna be better without him but I have no reason to believe otherwise.
“Everybody in the thread just did what Kirk asked them to…” And you dont see the problem there?
As for the world being a better place… I highly doubt it, since hes now going to be a rallying cry for action against “the left”. Hes a martyr now, a symbol that right wing lunatics while cling to as they march down the streets demanding Trans people are butchered, immigrants, legal and otherwise, are shot in the streets. “We need you, Trump, to do a third term. Its a civil war out here, dont you know?” will be next.
Shooting people is never, ever, your first resort in silencing a voice. Facts and words are. Violence only ever causes more violence. Someone out there today, he never hurt anyone, is going to pay the price for what happened to Kirk. You know its true. You all do. Yet youre all still all over social media happy, and cheering, and back slapping.
In the famous of words of John Wick… “Consequences.”
Well, that was just a necessary cost of preserving the second amendment 🤷♀️
So, youre the same kind of cunt he is? And youre good with that? I dont know, I would have thought seeing how much of a prick he was would put you off being one, but here you are, repeating his talking points like a fucking ghoul…
Whatever. He was fucking gloating ever since the MAGAts took over, while others are being violently oppressed for “not qualifying” to be “American”.
No, someone who spread as much hate as he did, doesn’t deserve sympathy.
I hope the bullet is ok.