I don’t think it’s remotely valid for colonizers to discriminate against a people that their own group colonized and continues to hold a dominant position over. It’s not like the prospective guest was French or Swedish or something.
Really? I thought Welsh, Irish, and Scottish people were typically discriminated against by English. Perhaps not on the institutional level like in America with our Black population, but at least that’s the general vibe I get.
Books can, have and should be written about just how much the Scottish are not a colonised nation, but direct and eager participants in tbe british empire and its crimes.
The Welsh at least can claim to be conquered, although see the part about being direct and eager participants in the empire.
Welsh oppression is like Occitan or Breton or Sicillian oppression.
They’re not a racialised minority, they’re not colonised, let’s not do this.
I’m fine with reserving ‘colonized’ for particular sorts of oppression, but the economic relationship between England and Wales is highly exploitative. To give one example, they electrified the rail network everywhere other than Wales lol. Wrt to ‘racialized’ again I’m fine with reserving that term, but 1) the Welsh accent is very distinctive and does lead to people being ‘read’ a certain way, and 2) as an English person in Wales (unpopular truth alert) you absolutely will face discrimination, though this is arguably justified
Valid. I mean the person doing it was English, so it’s a pot and kettle situation.
I don’t think it’s remotely valid for colonizers to discriminate against a people that their own group colonized and continues to hold a dominant position over. It’s not like the prospective guest was French or Swedish or something.
Neither the Welsh or the Scottish are subaltern, and the welsh do not face racism for being welsh.
Really? I thought Welsh, Irish, and Scottish people were typically discriminated against by English. Perhaps not on the institutional level like in America with our Black population, but at least that’s the general vibe I get.
Books can, have and should be written about just how much the Scottish are not a colonised nation, but direct and eager participants in tbe british empire and its crimes. The Welsh at least can claim to be conquered, although see the part about being direct and eager participants in the empire.
Welsh oppression is like Occitan or Breton or Sicillian oppression. They’re not a racialised minority, they’re not colonised, let’s not do this.
I’m fine with reserving ‘colonized’ for particular sorts of oppression, but the economic relationship between England and Wales is highly exploitative. To give one example, they electrified the rail network everywhere other than Wales lol. Wrt to ‘racialized’ again I’m fine with reserving that term, but 1) the Welsh accent is very distinctive and does lead to people being ‘read’ a certain way, and 2) as an English person in Wales (unpopular truth alert) you absolutely will face discrimination, though this is arguably justified
I’d argue there has historically been a tendency of racialisation of Welsh people.
Especially around stuff like the blue books, the findings of which formed the basis for policies focused on erasing Welsh language and culture.
And some of those policies were still ongoing in living memory, there are records of the use of the Welsh knot well into the 1960’s.