Nothing will change until Americans are willing to disrupt. General Strikes are effective. Shut it all down and see how quickly things change. It’s not easy but until you get the appetite for it, nothing will change.
only if the railroad workers could strike again, this seems to extremely disruptive to the us, if they do it, because its lifeblood of the us. they were doing very hard on both sides to prevent those strikes.
I’d like to see a general strike.
To those being diswayed by comments stating that peaceful protests are useless and don’t do anything, keep in mind that these comments are from people who are probably doing nothing but commenting on the internet and are useless themselves.
“Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.”
Epstein should be the theme. It even has traction with his own side. Empty G and I are on the same side, for the first, and very probably only, time.
Even with this theme, Epstein should feature prominently. This is the first time that an issue has resonated so strongly with his own following. The entire Q Anon thing started over conspiracy theories about Democratic Child Sex Trafficking, HitlerPig amplified it, and rode it to power.
And now we’ve come to the really deliciously ironic part. MAGAs treated this issue like the only people who could possibly be in the files are Democrats like the Clintons, but they’re finding out that even if that’s so, Dems don’t care. We’re all sick of the spineless establishment Dems anyway, go ahead and toss them in jail. Now we have finally reached that moment we have been careening towards for years, and their bluff is literally being called, but instead of showing their cards, they have to show the files, and they don’t want to do that because there are a LOT more MAGAs than Dems. Even more ironic, usually they aren’t holding anything when they bluff, but in this case, we know they are holding a Red Royal Flush.
If it turns out that the Epstein Files were full of MAGAs who could have been destroyed, but the Biden administration chose to give them a break in order to protect the Clinton’s, or some other Democratic perv, then that’s a secondary scandal.
Keep up the pressure, increase it steadily, and this could be the thing that brings him down.
The files were sealed under court order until January. Biden didn’t have the opportunity to release the files.
As an American (I know some people will scoff at that statement but that’s what we would genuinely say), but I feel like protests are effectively pointless in the modern day. The people in power don’t care and even Amy Coney Barrett has said how she has people around her house day and night and that they are wasting their time. Protests are great for the morale of the protestors, but they effectively don’t have any impact on people in office. I like the idea of protests, I support what most protestors are doing, but I don’t feel like they are making any real difference to the political stance of those they are protesting.
Agreed. Protests that don’t disrupt anything are about as effective as online petitions.
and also its only 1 side protesting, maga/conservatives almost never protest against the gop, they are more likely to follow the leader than anything.
Thats a generalisation.
It depends what the objective of your protest is.
Obviously people standing outside a politicians house with a sign are ineffective, thats just not how politics works.
Obviously large scale protests aren’t going to make Trump change his ways or resign.
However, I think large scale protests might activate a lot of apathetic people, and get them connected.
America doesn’t need Trump to resign and Vance to take over. You need societal change. You need your population to realise that your trajectory is pretty awful and that it doesn’t have to be.
statement but that’s what we would genuinely say)
I think part of the issue here is not following through with that energy into elections to get progressive platforms in office.
June “No Kings” saw the largest single day protests in US history. This is a healthy response by the population. We do absolutely need to move beyond the limits of street protests, and onto the development of a mass strike movement; however, the fact that masses of people are willing to go out and protest on a largely spontaneous basis is significant. What is needed is clear revolutionary political perspective. When this understanding grips the masses, particularly the working class, the movement will take on an explosivly historic significance.
I don’t feel like it’s ever going to progress past this though. It only gets this far because it’s as convenient as possible. The no kings protest emptied out after only a couple hours last time I expect the same here no one commits any amount of sacrifice.
I think this sort of pessimism is hopelessly self defeating. People are looking for meaningful ways to fight back. What they lack is organization and leadership. What are you doing to develop this?
I don’t do enough clearly and while I am being pessimistic I’d like to point out that I’m just saying I don’t think it’s going to progress past these protests not that it’s a worthless endeavor entirely.
I am still very hopeful that something does end up happening I’ve not given up entirely. But most of my opinions based on this have come from direct interaction of many people in these protests several of them have told me that they simply cannot monetarily commit to anything longer they have pooh-poohed the idea of multi-day protests lest a full strike.
I even had some of these people at these protests tell me that they thought the end goal was the protest that this was the win not all of them though but many like I said said they couldn’t even go a single day without the possibility of either losing their job or otherwise and none of them even considered it said it was too risky for them.
For the middle-class organizers of these protests, who lack a serious political perspective, the protest is their victory. They have no concept of the independent organization of the masses doing anything, besides protesting and calling it a day. They believe and promote the belief that mass rallies will be sufficient to pressure the Democratic Party, some Republicans, and the trade union bureaucracies to oppose Trump more vigorously. They will not.
It can be difficult to imagine the possibility of general strike when we haven’t seen a real organized mass movement in at least two generations. It’s not enough for isolated individuals convinced of the necessity to simply strike of their own initiative. That would be a recipe for disaster, with the participants facing certain reprisal and victimization. The movement must be prepared, starting with the most advanced sections of the working class organizing the leadership.
The protests express a broadly felt desire for action, but that cannot spontaneously generate the necessary movement. It will take the input of people like you, talking to your neighbors and coworkers, organizing action committees in your neighborhoods and workplaces, reaching out to people from other neighborhoods and workplaces, and organizing in preparation for a struggle. The protests provide a prime opportunity to do just that.
For what it’s worth, in case you’re interested, this is the statement we distributed at No Kings: Mobilize the working class against Trump’s dictatorship!
I’ll also recommend this perspective following the protest: The mass protests against dictatorship in the US and the way forward in the fight against Trump’s coup.
If you read something in there that strikes a chord, I would suggest reaching out through the contact form.
Besides all the other anti equal rights, anti justice, anti democratic, fascist bullshit trump likes, this is also acceptable to him and netanyahu:
More images from Anadolu @ Getty Images
This is acceptable to Israel. People in the west watching BBC or CNN seeing images like this is not though. It’s why they are now repeating the cycle of “letting in aid” that we are seeing now.
Any seemingly “moral” action that Israel takes is literally to ensure they can continue doing their genocide. Giving the west just enough coverage of aid trucks so their media can pretend that it’s no longer happening.
I am ashamed to live in this time of human history that we allow the people causing these images to remain in power and not have their heads placed on a spike (metaphorically of course).
De zoekopdracht voor “anadolu” heeft geen resultaten opgeleverd
You can filter on photographers, and then search the name Anadolu, that worked for me!
Works for me, and I’m not even in NL.
Me neither. Maybe it’s a country thing. Not important, I thought the URL was wrong.
I have attended protests and will do so again, but I have no illusions that the fascists will simply ignore them. This may build up more frustration from people, but the sooner we can plan a general strike the better. The nazi ticks are just burrowing deeper.
What we need is for someone to openly share addresses of the billionaires homes and start protesting there. That’s the only way we can negatively effect them. Make them scared to be comfortable in their own homes.
The protests by themselves are certainly inadequate, despite the impressive turnout. What makes the difference is what we do with them. Last time I went out, I distributed statements, made contacts and even received some donations. People are seeking out fighting perspectives. They need organization and leadership.
It’s an hour long protest. What does anyone think that will accomplish. The “tree huggers” chain themselves to things ffs.
If you complain something won’t do anything, then you must propose a better thing or the only thing you want is apathy.
Was “chaining themselves to trees” not clear?
He literally gave an example of a more committed response. We’re lazy
Then chain yourself to a tree.
That’s such a bad interpretation. They need your support to chain themselves to a tree.
Try something like this, and Im serious:
-if you tie yourself to a tree I will tie myself to a tree
-I cant tie myself to a tree because I have legitimate health condition but I will check in on you and share your progress with all my friends
-I totally support you tieing yourself to a tree. I want to see this happen and I admire anyone who would go that far.
Shaming them will only make them bitter… now maybe that is what you want.
Here’s how things will go: See those starving women and children in Gaza? This is what will happen to Americans, and much of the world.
Their own leadership thinks they are redundant, and no longer have to hide their sheer malevolance.
Shit don’t suggest organizing. That’s insanity.
I do, and it gets moderated and I get banned. You know this. Don’t be a cunt.
Oh no, not moderated! Sounds like you are ready and willing to actually do something, as long as it doesn’t come with the mildest of inconveniences.
Sounds like you love everything that’s going on.
It sounds to me like your solution is violence, but that’s actually a bad idea. Of course I can’t actually argue for or against this “idea” you totally have, because you haven’t stated it.
Although when you come out swinging with insults right out of the gate, it kinda reveals a lot.
What does it reveal?
I mean, that you’re a bit of an asshole.
But aren’t we all?
We need to do a peaceful protest every month till this administration and their dear leader are gone.
Peaceful protests won’t get rid of the regime. What they’re good for is connecting, organizing, demonstrating opposition is a viable size to uncertain bystanders who fear being part of a tiny minority and getting crushed, and generating enthusiasm for further, more ‘strategic’ work.
He just can’t say the quiet part out-loud.
So he says “peacful protest”.
Try every day
You seriously think trump will even remotely care about monthly protests? That is chuckle worthy for him at this moment.
He won’t change until he starts to feel it
He won’t care about daily peaceful protests either. When we break down the adjectives “Daily” and “Peaceful”, change the frequency of the former won’t matter.
As much as I am supportive, it is only realistic to day that it has no impact whatsoever. Until it’s Game On like Donkey Kong, we are just making ourselves feel better. I know, peacefully is how we do it. God be with ya’ll. Just remember this. The oppressors feel that god is on their side when they be getting the 30 Grand bonus for bagging folks. I’d be happy when a peaceful protest followed some ice simpletons home. I’d be interested in that.
F*** them up boo, let s**t hit the fan. We need a breaking point, the whole world is DONE with america, or go strike nationally. Paralyze the entire country
Can you please uncensor the two words in your comment? I can’t tell what they’re supposed to be.
Pretty sure it’s
Fart them up boo, let soot hit the fan.
Makes sense. Thanks!
Oh you sweet summer child.
Its sorta sad I never see something like this on the 50501 communities. I feel someone made them with the intention that someone else would do it. Anyway https://www.rageagainsttheregime.org/
Not sure where the details are. I hit find an action and it took me to a page that says 0 events in New York :|
yeah same with my city. there is no way these will not be locations so im guessing they still have org to do at local levels.
Make me upnif this protests nis in the tens of millions of participants and paralizes the country for a month
Anything less than that will do shit all
If these happen in Democrat-run cities, what is the over/under that Trump sends in the National Guard?
These types of protest. While large and making national news are very unlikely to have that type of response.
These protest are liberals going out and feeling like they did something. Which is obviously better than liberals not going out at all.
The protests that get physical response are the ones that have the potential to build into larger and more active movements. Protest with simple goals like “prevent vehicles from leaving the ICE facility”. As someone that’s been to protest with that goal. 100-200 people with a real material goal are much more likely to have police response than a planned parade.
These “no kings” style protest are essentially just that: planned parades. And are directed through the city in very much the same way. Again, I am not against them. But they are not serving the same purpose.
The military is NOT being used because the size of protest are large. The military is being used as a political tool to form a narrative that justifies more use of violence against civilians.
They wont attack these “protest parades” filled with large amounts of people that are not directly effected by negative effects of their fascist policies. It is much better to keep them as once a month parade members than to risk radicalizing large amounts of them into full time activists if they ever felt the sting of tear gas.
Organizing is step one. Calling it a liberal feel good party does the fascists work for them.
Yes. Because that’s all I said in my comment and that’s the only thing you should take from it. /s
Replies like yours are why I fucking hate the internet. Engage in the actual substance of the comment maybe; instead of just straw manning what I said for the sake of disagreement.
What about my comment implies I didn’t read the whole thing? My point still stands
No. It doesn’t. You rewrote one sentence I said and then pretended like that was the thesis of the comment.
The comment was talking about the use of force and military towards protests. I was pointing out the material difference between “weekend protesters” collecting in mass for a few hours and other people actively preventing ICE from leaving their facilities and being met with violence.
It wasn’t a “bash” on liberals. I want them to go out and do their mass protests. It does help them become radicalized to do more.
It was an explanation of WHY you won’t see high levels of police violence at these large “No Kings” style protest.
Because they don’t threaten the ability for ICE to hurt people. Are they good in other ways? Absolutely. But that wasn’t the point of my comment and it wasn’t what was being asked in the comment I replied to.
It’s the difference between a person holding up a sign that says “save the Forrest” and another person chaining themselves to the God damn tree.
That was my point. So, nothing you have said in response is at all being critical of what I actually said. You’re just straw manning.
Democratic governors need to be attempting to take control of their national guards
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That’s NYC’s Mayor you’re thinking of.
NYs Governor was a Democratic state rep and lieutenant governor for Cuomo (which hasn’t aged well, but is nothing like that dipshit mayor Adams).
Kathy Hochul? Yeah I don’t think so.
More like Gently express disappointment against the regime.
My parents generation got the Black Panthers. My generation gets “I’d be at brunch right now if you just voted for Harris” signs in our protest.
You guys are fucking lame
Pfft, unless they secretly have anti-tank and anti-drone guns, they are not doing anything!
This protest ain’t doing shit.
Get the fuck out of here if you’re only feedback is “the protest is useless”.
That’s the same feedback Trump is going to have for it.
Protest is most effective when there’s a clear escalatory path to violence. MLK was successful because Malcom X was the alternative, and the people in charge knew it.
The last protest didn’t change anything but surely this one that trump will be prepared for will.
Arm yourselfs, peaceful protest assumes trump has a conscience and morals that he will listen to when filled with guilt.
What “shaking the ruling class” did luigi do? They shrugged it off and went right on with the most massive corrupt looting in American history. When billionaires can afford their own private armies, or better yet bend the public one to their will, they don’t give a fuck about your pea shooter.
Stopping them requires taking their money. And that means winning elections and taxing the living shit out of them.
can’t really win an election and tax billionaires by protesting. wait another 3.5 years or so. strikes and violent protests could work though
What “shaking the ruling class” did luigi do?
The company the CEO worked for drastically changed the policies that (allegedly) influenced Luigi.
Other healthcare companies changed policy out of fear.
Other CEOs started hiring body guards because they were worried someone would get them for their practices.
