A Democratic congresswoman has given a scathing review of the Trump administration’s so-called “Alligator Alcatraz” in Florida, describing it as an “internment camp” that needs to be “shut the hell down.”

Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who represents Florida’s 25th congressional district, said that pictures of the facility “don’t do it justice” and that detainees were being “packed into cages.”

On Saturday Florida lawmakers from both parties took a state-arranged tour of the new 3,000-bed detention center that the state rapidly built on an isolated airstrip surrounded by swampland in the Everglades.

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    they are just SO terrified of calling it what it is, a concentration camp. They are “concentrating” specific people into their camp. Call it what it is. it’s a Concentration Camp.

    I’m SO looking forward to what the Dems decide to call it when they inevitably set up little “chambers” there and people suddenly start “disappearing”.

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    republican presidential administration: builds auschwitz local democrat lawmaker: ‘This is awful, I am going to use my position to work against this and try to shut it down’ internet leftists: ‘im seeing double! four fascists!’

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    Bumfuck Buchenwald works and has the alliteration factor. Whatever the moniker, it never should’ve been established in the first place.

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      Auschwitz was an extermination camp, not a concentration camp. This is more like Dachau. Pretty accurately like Dachau I’d even say.

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        You’re right, BUT -

        this is a majorly fucked up timeline when people are complaining that it’s too mean to call a US concentration camp “Auschwitz” when it’s clearly just harmless little “Dachau.” Dachau led to Auschwitz and if the normalization of it is any indication, it WILL happen again here. THAT’S why people are calling it that - we’ve seen this shit before and know how it ends.

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          I see it another way.

          By the time Auschwitz happened it was already way too late to oppse the Nazi Regime. It was too late to save lifes and prevent tragedy. But at Dachau it wasn’t.

          It also makes it seem like this (Donalds Dachau) is the endgame. Like this is the worst they will do. When they will in fact do much worse.

          By calling it an Auschwitz, I feel we’re kind of throwing a towel and telling ourselves that the MAGA-Regime is already too powerful. It isn’t. They’re only just starting, they can still be stopped. It also makes it seem like this is the height of their tyranny, which it isn’t. Noone should stay at home thinking “well, it isn’t that bad” but instead go to the streets thinking “it mustn’t get worse”

          Also we all know that Dachau isn’t “harmless” in any way, and my comment should be pretty clear that it was awful. Comparing it to dachau isn’t normalizing it, it isn’t disrespectful, because it’s what gets closest to it. On the other hands it can be seen as disrespectful to all those who suffered and even perished in Birkenau to be compared to “Donalds Dachau”.

          Lastly let me assure you that I am NOT, as implied in your comment, defending the current US-Regime nor normalizing Dachau.

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        I mean. They built it in the middle of a swamp. I wouldn’t be surprised if the next time that area gets a particularly heavy rain it’ll morph into an extermination camp in a matter of hours.

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          The facility is comprised of tents, in a gator and snake infested swamp in southern Florida, one of the most active hurricane regions on the planet. The first hurricane or tropical storm that comes through there is going to destroy that place, and put those people at mortal risk.

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        Yeah let’s weaken our political messaging for the camp where acting forces want to feed the latino population to alligators in the name of pedantry! Fuck the fact that most Americans would probably guess Dachau is a cheese or something, and that Auschwitz is certainly the most recognizable of the camps taught from the holocaust, we want to be 5% more correct!

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        Look, if you put people in “concentration camps” until they die, wouldn’t that be an extermination camp, even if you aren’t doing anything to accelerate their deaths?

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          No, because words have meaning. People also died in the original concentration camps - they were still distinct from the extermination camps.

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              Auschwitz 1 was a concentration camp, Auschwitz 2 (Auschwitz-Birkenau) was an extermination camp

              Also please stop using the euphemisms the Nazis used. It’s an extermination camp.

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                Euphemisms are meaningless once the connotation settle in. No person alive in the modern civilization can heart the term “concentration camp” and think “oh, this is not so bad then”.

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                Alligator Auschwitz will be an extermination camp, but the “oopsie, the residents all died of heatstroke and dehydration, maybe they shouldn’t have been illegally entered the country” kind.

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      No. This is Dachau. They’re not yet at the stage where they operate gas chambers. They’ll get there soon enough, though.

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      On one hand, yes. On the other hand, every time I hear potential terrible plans on social media, it seems like they take it as a guide.

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        “Now that we’re here, what should we do?” “Gee, I don’t know Tom. Let’s see what the liberals on Reddit are crying about and do that.”

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    I want Democratic politicians to start talking about the proper response to this. I don’t expect them to endorse people trying to perform armed raids against these facilities, but they need to start talking about holding people accountable. I’m sorry, but if you’re working at a concentration camp, you need to be in prison at best, and possibly even hanged for crimes against humanity. We need to start talking NOW about putting all these ICE agents in jail when this is all over. These people are criminal scum who need to be prosecuted for their crimes. And to head off any possibility of a blanket pardon, we need to be talking about using extra-territorial rendition to try these people for crimes against humanity.

    A presidential pardon will not save ICE agents from this legal liability. Even with a pardon, these agents can still be tried in the International Criminal Court or other body that practices universal jurisdiction for crimes against humanity. And even beyond that, there are dozens of potential nations to send ICE agents to for their crimes. After all, they are committing crimes against humanity against the citizens of dozens of nations. If the ICC isn’t viable, we can extradite these people to Venezuela, Mexico, or any number of other countries. These countries can then try them for the deaths of their citizens at the hands of ICE agents.

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      The whole point of statements by the likes of DWS is to signal to Americans that someone is trying to do something on their behalf. She described it as an internment camp and said it needs to be shut down, surely as a high ranking politician it means she’ll be doing something to shut it down… It’s just a pacifier for people’s anger.

      The Democrats are not your friend, they have the same overarching goal as the GOP: exploit workers and make capitalists richer.

      Alligator Auschwitz serves that goal. They just make noise but as a party they are locked in, just like they made noise about children in cages under Trump the first term but completely forgot that it got even worse under Biden.

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    Once all those Jesus Lovers SEE and HEAR this they’ll be the FIRST in Line to Shut it Down because we KNOW Jesus would NEVER stand for Jailing the Hurt, Innocent or Poor Immigrants!

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      Kill any nazis you see on sight. They will chicken out when they start fearing for their own safety.

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        Feed the alligators bacon. Once they have a taste for pigs, the ICE agents will no longer be able to work there.

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      Boycott American-made goods and services, and try not to support anything from American-owned companies.

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          Do what you can. No-one needs to eschew all American things, but if everyone can cut down a little bit, their economy will feel the pain. A poor economy gives less for the tits in charge to hide behind.

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        Finally an excuse to buy these nice but somewhat pricey (actually more like fucking expensive) Italian guitar strings.

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      Do you mean without stepping foot in Florida? Probably nothing. And even then, it would take a Rambo style frontal assault.

      Or, join the government and have a meeting about a meeting to decide if you’re going to have a meeting to decide if this is a situation that requires an action meeting.

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        Do you think only the government works that way with the whole meetings thing? Corporate america is like that as well, maybe worse even. And actually, I work as a federal contractor doing software stuff, and I dont attend meetings about meetings. Some of us, actually, most of us do have real shit to get done when they go to work.

        TLDR: Meetings about meetings about meetings is for beaurocrats, not scientists and engineers.

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          Dude, no one is talking about you and we don’t want to change the conversation to talk about you. That’s weird.

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            Sure, but its also weird to insinuate that being a government employee of any kind means having meetings about meetings to decide if youre going to have a meeting about doing something.

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          Help me understand why you took this personally. My first thought is neurodivergence, but I don’t wanna put labels on anyone.

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      One could rent drones from Florida businesses nearby and if you are in a country that lacks an extradition treaty with the US Government; well…

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    OMG! You liberals are just grasping at straws now. This is not an internment camp, or a concentration camp. This is a freedom camp! Some call it a “Happy Camp®”. It will be where these illegals can work their way to freedom. I hear DHS is going to put a nice slogan over the gate to avoid confusion, something like “Work Will Set You Free”. If that doesn’t work out, I am pretty sure the Trump administration with come up with a better solution. Some might say, a final solution!