Lemmy’s design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

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    Give it another year or two and we’ll have some website that tallies the karma of lemmy users. Clout is an insidious disease that grows like a social cancer.

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    I have a question though:

    On Reddit the same post won’t usually show up twice in my feed (unless it’s a repost). So once you’ve seen it, Reddit notices that and kind of marks it as seen I guess.

    Using Lemmy however I happen to see the same posts over and over again for days. Is there any way to fix this?

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      It’s one of two things

      1. Your app doesn’t hide things that are marked as read. This is typically a setting you can choose.

      2. The same content is being posted to multiple communities or multiple instances (if you are watching global feed). This is not something that can be fixed I think.

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      I would like some tips as well. Currently i’m using voyager, which has a ‚hide read‘ function (for posts you’ve opened) and other than that I swipe hide posts that i’ve „seen“ manually.

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    I did count my likes from some top liked comments or posts of mine before. It kinda feels the same as karma, to me.

    I’d say that people always find some way to get addicted to something, in whatever.

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    We have plenty of astroturfing bots & powermods here. Once karma becomes a worthwhile metric for some to filter by, it’ll be abused & manipulated here, too.

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      For all the problems with karma it did allow for effective filtering. With most accounts on Lemmy being harder to create with captcha and approval it might not be needed

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    The lack of karma is definitely a plus. Zionist trolls can downvote all they want, no one cares. In fact, there isn’t much of an incentive for any to invest in “downvote farms”.

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    idk about you but psychologically i never chceckef my ksrma scote but still pay some attention to how an individual comment/submission is perceived. cuz i took the time to write it and it’s cool if people like/understand it and it’s “important” if they dont (at least important to my rat brains)

    as a departure from this mentality, i will not edit the typos

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      I liked my karma back on my old reddit account (before being banned from supporting Luigi), but that is because I had the account for 12 years and invested too much time into it.

      So far I’m enjoying the laid back nature of lemmy. Hopefully there will be more engagement, maybe some UI updates too. But overall I’m liking the switch. The conversations and posts feel more real.

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        I got banned for my support of Luigi as well. 15 year account over there. Sometimes you gotta say goodbye to a friend.

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    Oh my sweet summer child. EVERY new service and SocMed site starts out like this. Fresh, fun, and working properly. Until the masses show up. That’s when it goes to shit.

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      Yep, it’s just a matter of time till karma system is getting implemented on here too

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        Why make this assumption? Is there a reason you believe we need that karma system? I genuinely can’t think of any reason, outside of corporate interest to push engagement.

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          Yep, any sort of karma system is needed to get the masses to join somewhere. To attract the majority of people you need something that keep them interested. Karma on reddit is the same as likes on Facebook or Instagram

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            Horrible take. I absolutely do not give a fuck about arbitrary internet points and would like to see an open discussion without a majority bias downvoting someone into oblivion just because they disagree. For example, your comment will not be hidden just because your comment is being downvoted.

            The only thing bringing profile karma to Lemmy will do is attract botters to inflate their credibility. Those could also be used to downvote others so the botter’s comments and posts are pushed to the top.

            Again, horrible idea.

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    “Karma” is just a counter of a user’s recieved votes. It still exists on lemmy, most clients just choose to not display it.

    Also where is this “value content” supposed to be?

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    Isn’t Karma essentially just the delta between upvotes and downvotes you get with some sort of weighting thrown in?

    Because you can very much get that delta on here, it just isn’t visible in the default Lemmy interface. If you look at your account through an Mbin frontend for example you can see the “Reputation points” value in the sidebar: https://fedia.io/u/@wittycomputer@feddit.org

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    Lemmy still relies on upvotes for ranking the feed, so, farming them makes sense, it’s just isolated per each post.

    And I believe the issue might get worse as Lemmy grows. The reason Reddit came up with karma and all that is because the more people you have on your platform, the more baddies you have to account for.

    For now, Lemmy is small enough for a basic interpersonal reputation to mostly just work, but as it grows, we need something else. Presumably, not karma.

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      8 hours ago

      Piefed implements an “attitude” system which tracks up vote ratio and a few other simple metrics mods can use to identify bad actors

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      Can you explain what you mean with farming upvotes makes sense? There is no part of the algorithm that takes into account how many upvotes the OP recently got, or is there?

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        I think they meant on a post-by-post basis. You can’t farm account karma, but you can farm upvotes on individual posts, for ego, I guess…

        There is the vibe-check on Lemmy, though. I don’t believe the algorithm takes that into account.

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        There is no algorithm at all as far as I know, for better or worse. The closest is the “Scaled” sorting option, which takes community size into account to help boost smaller communities. But I’d hardly call that an algorithm, even though it technically is.

        There is no point in farming upvotes here apart from feeding your brain’s dopamine response.

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      There’s multiple sorting types that you can choose for your feed. How do you want your content ordered?

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    That’s right! I said good shit in tech posts that was worth upvoting so others can see. Then there was an bad comment I wrote in patientgaming that deserved the downvotes and not worth reading.

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    Lemmy is small enough, that without even seeing a karma total, some users have an unofficial “rapport”, where I’ve seen them around enough to recognize whether they are the type to go against the grain, a perpetual troll, or a usually reasonable person with an unusually spicy take.

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      Yeah, lemmy suffers a lot of from this. Too many posts that try to just make the front page, too many popular communities that dominate c/all. I’ve even had a friend quit over this.

      I genuinely miss communities about games, linguistics and niche hobbies - they just aren’t as popular as news/politics/general memes and that. I do try to post them as much as i can, but since they’re niche there’s only so much content you can find.

      I’d love for the frontpage to have some [optional, ofc] changes that encourage more of this type of content.

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        Yeah, but in this day and age we’re going to grow with easy-to-consume content e.g. memes. Once growth hits a critical mass then the niche communities will come.

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          Ah i’m sorry, i should’ve specified; i meant communities for specific games. A lot of these games are too obscure to hvae a community for themselves, sadly :(

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          maybe my definitions of healthy and active are extremely biased, but these communities have several days-old posts with low numbers of comments and limited reply threads. not only that, but there’s lots of news articles about the industry but not much stuff about GAMES, be that random reviews, discussions, or memes.

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            what do you want to discuss post it, no one has a montery incentive to make this site work for you, if you want it to do you gotta do it yourself, commentings a good step, now make a post about what you want to discuss so theres a more recent post on that community about it

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            Well it’s partly my bias too, because when I joined Lemmy about 3 years ago, lemmy.world didn’t exist yet and there were around a couple dozen new posts on All of Lemmy per day at the time.

            I’m just really grateful for how much we’ve grown as a site, even if we’re still hardly anywhere close to the scale of modern corporate social media. But imo it doesn’t have to be, I like this.

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            Beehaw is quite toxic and for that reason, lemmy.world is not federated. I expect an angry swarm of people from Beehaw to send me death threats now to prove how untoxic they are.

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        Pretty much any game or random hobby I’m on at the moment, I could count on finding a decently populated and active Subreddit. This is what’s missing from Lemmy.

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        Why would anyone be on all? Even with reddit I I quit going to all probably 10 years ago…

        And don’t let my Lemmy age fool you, I drop my account every 6 to 8 months. It took my a lot longer to figure that out on reddit.

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          For me it’s to find new content (i block most news/politics communities since they’re most of c/all) but there’s a lot of attention and eyes to be gained from all.

          But most of this, as i said; is buried by the generic popular content.

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            Well yeah, that’s what ALL is right? The most generic stuff. You can browse communities and subscribe as needed.

            If you are going to use all It might help to enable scaled sorting.

            It boosts small communities in the sort.

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      With time we’ll get there! The more we slowly contribute to the niche topics, the more we’ll see these communities grow. I’m sure there are a sizable amount of people from Reddit looking for their niches on here to start growing more for them to fully hop over. I’ve got a good chunk of mine on Lemmy now, but still a handful of ones I haven’t found a comparable server for yet. If I understood running a server more I probably would have started a couple of my own for these topics.

      Is there anywhere on Lemmy people can request for servers to get started? I think that would be helpful to have since missing topics are some of the barriers of entry for some people.

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      Blocked? Why? If you don’t want to see them why are you subscribed to them?

      I mean if you want niche communities you create them and subscribe to them right?

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        Browsing the global/all feed is one way to find new communities, and some people just like using it in general rather than defaulting to a subs-only view.

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          Seems like a not so good way to me, and thats why people are complaining.

          You can just look through the communities and sub to good ones.

          Maybe it would be helpful to use ALL with scaled sorting. It boosts smaller communities.

          I gave up using all on reddit a very long time ago, and Lemmy is basically the same… But at least on Lemmy you have scaled sorting to try and help.

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            Or just…browse all and then block communities you don’t want to see. Most stuff I block is furry shit. Nothing against it, I just don’t want to see it.

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            For what it’s worth I generally agree with you, and especially think the people who treat /all as their own personal feed are nuts, but nonetheless it’s something that some people do 🫠

            Everyone has their own preferences about how to use things!

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        I just see them in the Everything feed, and if I don’t block them, they seem to dominate. I’m not actually against them, but I don’t want my feed to be all memes.