Cowbee [he/him]

The biggest factor is

they have fuck-all to do with Marxism and Communism

Which is my biggest disagreement, what you see is the result of being Marxist and Communist. What do you expect Marxists and Communists to talk about?

What my familiarity is with one ideology or another is irrelevant to this thread.

It’s absolutely relevant, you’re calling people claiming to be Marxists and Communists “fake” without demonstrating an understanding of what it is they advocate for! Of course it’s relevant.

But yeah, ml/c/usa is a great example of mostly anti-west mass posting by a vocal minority. We could get into specific subjects and events that may or may not be true, but that risks detailing the point of this thread. (This may have changed over the last few months, but I doubt it.)

Communists are indeed anti-west. The West is the greatest source of Imperialism in the world, which is the greatest obstacle in the way of Socialism.

For generic cut-n-paste responses, all you usually need to do is mention anything about Ukraine or Chinese gost cities. Those are just two glaring examples, but I am sure there are more.

What do you mean, exactly? Where do these people diverge from Marxism?

Your experience is going to be different because you likely have different views than me. That’s not good or bad, it just is what it is.

Evidently, I’m a Marxist-Leninist.

No, I am not a fan of .world either. It’s got its own set of issues.

Was mostly a cheeky joke.

Oh, TIL. Thanks!

Israel right now

I have and blocked nearly all of it. They have fuck-all to do with Marxism or Communism and mainly focus on Kremlin and CCP anti-west propaganda.

Can you explain what you mean by that? On what grounds do you claim they have “fuck all to do with Marxism or Communism?” How familiar are you with Marxist theory?

It’s worse than the “conservative” communities, actually. It’s not so much about promoting a cause as it is about telling everyone else how they are “bad”. Any dissent is usually met with insults or walls of cut-n-paste posts that all point back to state media sources or fake sites.

I’d love examples, because this is blatantly false in my experience.

While all places have their own degrees of circle-jerk mentality, it can be especially bad in some corners of Lemmy.

Lemmy.world tends to be pretty bad, I agree 😜

You’re more than free to actually visit instead of whatever caricature you concocted in your mind palace.

This may be, but the probability is unarguably higher than with Trump

This is entirely arguable, Harris doesn’t support Israel out of any moral reasoning, but economic.

Personally, I’d even argue that it’s unethical to not vote for a candidate like Harris, just because the chances of getting stuff like ranked choice voting or educating voters done (which will then lead to you being able to realistically vote for others) is significantly higher when voting Democrats than… letting Trump win?

This is also wrong. The Dems don’t want RCV, nor would implementing it fix the system.

Notice that I don’t say you have to agree with anything else she stands for, you’re trying to achieve certain goals/get out of the very unfortunate current situation, and even a low chance of reaching that is infinitely better than none.

There is no chance under Kamala.

The only way forward is revolution. Delegitimizing Dem and Rep rule is an important step towards revolution.

No one said that Trump is the reason for fascism

The post did, they said Trump was the existential threat, and not the Capitalist decay that caused him to win.

I personally blame Obama for changing nothing when he had the presidency though I’m sure there are lot of other liberal failures that have lead to the rise of fascism

Great Man Theory is wrong. Obama was again, a symptom of Capitalism, the Bourgeoisie needed a Neoliberal warmonger and got one.

We should still do anything to stop the fascists from winning power.

Correct, we need to join revolutionary orgs like PSL and FRSO and end support for enablers of fascism like the DNC and GOP.

I don’t love the BS narrivate around purity tests

I don’t either, liberals need to stop pretending they are anti-fascist by continuing to enable fascism.

Everyone has lines that once crossed we are not willing to tolerate.

Genocide is a major one for me.

The bottom line is there is no viable candidate for president that supports ending Israeli genocide.

Sounds like it’s your moral responsibility to get organized with anti-genocide parties.

However if you care about Palestinians at all you should vote for the lesser of two evils. It’s the least anyone can do.

There isn’t a lesser evil when it comes to the genocide of Palestinians among the DNC and GOP, both are completely in lock-step and want to expand it to a regional war. Walz even supports the “Greater Israel” project.

Voting Harris is the only remotely ethical vote

Voting for Harris is one of the most unethical votes you can make, along with Trump. A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide, failed climate action, world war 3, and continued Imperialism.

Stop looking at the world in black and white

I don’t, can you explain?

The proletariat revolution will never happen

Of course it will, it’s already happened in many places and continues to be fought. It will inevitably come to the US, if the world isn’t ended by its warmongering or failed climate action, that is. Disparity continues to rise and Capitalism continues to decay, that’s like saying continuing to heat up water will never bring it to a boil.

Start thinking about grassroots harm reduction locally and vote for the lesser of two evils federally.

Gotcha, we should join Socialist and Communist orgs like PSL and FRSO, and vote for Claudia De La Crúz in the federal, or Jill Stein if she isn’t counted in your state.

Hexbear is anti-sectarian, this doesn’t make any sense.

Are you surprised that there are Leftists on Lemmy?

Not to be pedantic, but “corporate socialism” isn’t a thing, that’s just Capitalism as it monopolizes.

Yep. In 20 years, if leftists have managed to save the world, the libs of today will look back on themselves with shame.

The DNC and GOP are aligned on failed Climate Action, genocide, Imperialism, and are working towards World War 3. The answer cannot be with the Dems, and our time is running out.

If you think Trump is the reason for fascism, and not the other way around, you need to seriously reevaluate where you draw your conclusions from.

Fascism is Capitalism in decay. Trump is a symptom of a greater problem you cannot vote away. Voting for Harris isn’t an anti-fascist vote.

Secondly, claiming genocide is merely an issue surrounding “ideological purity” and not, you know, genocide, is monstrous.

Why are you including things which have not yet made it to the Communist stage of development as examples of success of Marxist theory?

Because Marxism isn’t Utopian. Marxism isn’t a grand idea of a just society, but a theory of historical development. Read Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, this is basic Marxism.

That isn’t a proof that Communism is great yet. It’s calling the experiment before actually seeing if it works.

No. Communism is not an “experiment.” Marx didn’t come up with Communism as a grand society to implement, but saw how one Mode of Production gives way to the next, ie how Capitalism monopolizes into socialized syndicates over time, reaching central planning after proletarian revolution.

And I am not quick to call the USSR or Cuba particularly Dictatorships of the Proletariat. They became actual Dictatorships that carried forward the heirachy of the paramilitary organizations that spawned them never ceeding them to the workers councils like they were supposed to do instead creating new dynasties of career politicians…Career politicians of a one party state are not “working class”.

1. They were not dictatorships.

2. Cooperarives aren’t Marxism.

I suggest reading Why do Marxists fail to create the “Worker’s Paradise?” You have an anti-Marxist idea of what Socialism and Communism are. I also suggest reading Blackshirts and Reds to debunk anticommunist myths. I know I recommended both texts, and I know you didn’t read them. You really should!

But its difficult to say if he had everything figured out because his “dictatorship of the proletariat” doesn’t seem to ever actualize in a lasting fashion. It usually ends up as an authoritarian state arguably because the system is vulnerable to the first group that decides to break faith with the covenant

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the DotP and Communist history in general. The PRC has a DotP, the USSR did, Vietnam, Cuba, Laos, etc. All have a DotP. Read Why do Marxists fail to bring about the “Worker’s Paradise?” You have an odd, idealistic idea of Marxism that even Marx would deny.

A lot of Communist hopefuls tend to either take the examples of this happening as “not true Communism” or try to minimize the bad aspects of regimes that adopted the principles… It does seem once power is too laterally spread it becomes weak to any hierarchy that as long as they can talk a good game and use Marxist language.

This is just a bunch of gestures. The reality is that AES states are truly guided by Marxism, and are true attempts at Communism, but haven’t made it to the Communist stage of development.

In either case a lot of us would not call those outcomes “proven correct”. I would say he had some very lasting ideas which are useful tools… But the fact that none of the places where attempted enactment have particularly lived up to his hype means that like a lot of philosophy of his time that the answers are a lot more complex and nuanced than he could have forseen.

They have absolutely lived up to the hype, coming with drastic reductions in poverty, wealth inequality, increases in life expectancy, housing rates, ending famines, free healthcare and education, democratization, and more. Please, read Blackshirts and Reds.

For clarity, comtemporaries of Marx and Engels also called them authoritarian, hence On Authority.

Hexbear.net is anti-sectarian, so it has AnComms and Marxist-Leninists alike, with no infighting allowed. It probably has the largest number by quantity.

dbzer0 has many AnComms, though it’s explicitly a Piracy instance.

Lemmy.ml has Anarchist communities as well as the Solarpunk instance, but neither have the numbers of the other 2 instances listed.

To be fair, we are not the ones making those decisions, the Bourgeoisie is.

Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml are explicitly Marxist aligned. Lemmy.ml’s admins are Marxists, but for some reason insist that it isn’t a Marxist instance. Lemmy.world defederated from both Grad and Hexbear, because the Lemmy.world mods and admins are anti-Marxist.