On election night, as the results looked to be in Trump’s favor, the baseless conspiracy theories about fraud began tapering off.
No, not true. They are saying that this time they knew to watch close, so the Democrats couldn’t pull of the same fraud as 2020. They are indeed stating that it is “supisious” that 13 Million Democratic voices where nowhere to be seen this time around, taking that as proof they were right all along.
That’s how this works. You take reality and then make it mean what you want it to mean. So that’s their take in regards to voter fraud.
That’s how this works. You take reality and then make it mean what you want it to mean.
What’s “fun” is when you realize an awful lot of people do this with an awful lot of topics all the fucking time. Probably including yourself.
I would say everyone does it. Confirmation bias isn’t something you can completely avoid. You can try to recognise it in yourself, but most of the time it’s a lot more subtle. As simple as reading something you agree with and not going to check the source. We ALL do that.
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug
Absolutely. I try to counter it by beeing aware and checking M opinions against facts where possible. But I am sure there are many topics where I don’t fully succeed or I haven’t caught myself doing it yet.
It’s an extremely common aspect of human psychology to make up a story to explain the results of an event or reasoning for your actions after the fact.
It’s even been demonstrated in specific cases in studies of people who’ve received brain hemisphere bifurcation to prevent grand mal seizures.
The side of the brain responsible for speech is not shown information or things the individual must complete, then when asked why they performed such an action, the speech responsible side of the brain will spontaneously make up a resonable sounding story to explain it.
I highly recommend checking it out. It’s an absolutely fascinating look into human psychology
I’m sure I do this same thing all the time subconsiously, and I’ve certainly noticed it in others.
Sounds like free-wil denial pseudo-science
To be fair, this research comes from a limited number of patients and is from the 1950s and 60s, a time not exactly known for its accurate assumptions in the field of neuroscience, lol.
Yeah, much like frontal lobotomy, severing the corpus collosum (sp?) was a popular treatment for a variety of mental issues for a time. But much like doing really elaborate twin studies on nature vs nurture it’s really hard to do a lot in that area without violating ethical rules today.
You really have to be a stupid person to be a Republican these days. Wild.
Schrödinger’s voter fraud
“Too big to rig” was a clear indication that this was always the plan.
Who would have thought that complaining the vote was rigged would disenfranchise the democrats from voting instead of, you know, motivating them? It’s kind of a sad state of affairs.
No need to distract anymore from voter suppression and their own voter fraud.
It’s going to join the great migrant caravan in the sky.
they accomplished their goal no need to keep up the tale
What about the 100 or so lawsuits? Will they be making the next election count even more relia… oh you don’t know what I’m talking about? Oh…
Oh for fucks sake, I escaped from the left wing cesspool that is Reddit and came here after being told it’s free from left wing cancer. Obviously not…
Imagine actually thinking MSNBC is left. Scamper back off to Reddit now.
Also, Lemmy was founded and is run by communists. Lol
Obviously ‘did their research’ hahahhahahahh
Sounds like you belong more on truth social…
Where the facts don’t matter
Reddit isn’t Left Wing, it’s Tankie SJW nonsense
This is Left Wing, where Facts don’t care about your feelings.
you were misinformed.
Isn’t that weird?
It’s almost like they didn’t believe in their own claims.
Or they don’t want anyone investigating their victory too closely
They already caught republicans doing shady shit before Tuesday. Who knows how many they didn’t catch.
No, the narrative just changed. Good luck convincing anyone the 2020 election wasn’t stolen ever again.
“I told you. In 2020 we won all 50 states. Voter fraud by the millions. I was saying it all along. But we worked hard, we passed laws for election integrity, we watched the polls and they couldn’t cram their 10, 15 million votes into the boxes again. And look what happened. Instead of winning by 8 million votes, she lost by 6 million votes. Which is what should have happened last time.”
This is the narrative I’ve been hearing. The voters that just stayed home simply never existed in the first place, as far as they’re concerned. He’s going to use this victory as proof of his claim that he should have won last time, voter fraud was rampant, and Democrats are cheaters. And it’s going to work.
And it’s going to work.
Well, let’s face it - the target audience for such stupid narratives are his base, and they are dumb as a box of rocks.
Please don’t insult them. Boxes of rocks can still serve a purpose and don’t deserve to be denigrated like that.
No box of rocks ever called me a ______. Insert a slur!
No box of rocks ever had his picture taken with Jeffrey Epstein!
Remember that half of the population is below average.
I’m assuming that other 2% had other motivations.
That’s honestly now how averages work. Most of the population is roughly average.
If roughly is within one standard deviation from average then most of the population is roughly average and half are below and half are above
Below average? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Should we tell him who was president in 2020 and who was president in 2024? Oh right, it doesn’t matter to them as long as they repeat it a million times.
And used to support the claim to change voting in some way, or do away with it at least for Federal level.
Given their penchant for projection, has anyone considered that the fraud was coming from inside the house?
I believe we have one of the most secure elections in the world. I don’t believe in conspiratorial bullshit. I’m just saying, anything the Republicans accuse others with is frankly evidence that they are doing it themselves.
They tell me immigrants are eating pets? Yeah I’m going to say there’s definitely a non-zero chance that republicans are out there picking up roadkill cats and dogs. I mean Kennedy has probably done that 100 times himself.
So if the Republicans accuse Democrats of creating millions of fake votes I doubt it’s possible to do, but let’s double check anyway because now they’ve made me suspicious.
They literally had their supporters burn drop-off ballot boxes and destroy ballots. They literally intimidated other voters. They harassed poll workers and volunteers whose entire purpose is to ensure everyone who is eligible to vote has everything they need in order to do so. Yet no one is batting a fucking eye. THESE FUCKERS STOLE THE ELECTION. 15 million less votes than what Biden got and Trump got about the same as he did when he ran before. This stinks of interference.
I don’t think that the physical interference would have been enough to turn this one. The interference in the media/social media however was definitely the root cause to this. Along with Democrats shifting more right than they have in decades
Can we also consider that intentionally making it harder to vote in Democrat leaning counties in otherwise Republican States is electoral fraud? Because it kinda is.
If you remove the word kinda, your comment becomes true
I believe we have one of the most secure elections in the world.
That’s unfortunate.
It’s very true. Voter fraud is statistically non-existent here.
I know this to be true, and I am very angry at the mistakes the Dems made in this campaign. But 15 million less Democrat voters? That seems like a LOT of people deciding to stay home. If you told me Jill Stein got 15 million votes, I’d find that easier to believe than 15 million just stayed home compared to 2020.
With record turnout out early voting. Don’t forget about that. The news were throwing that around a week before.
My co-worker and I were talking about that last night. I told her that it’s amazing that not one fucking republican as uttered those two words, “voters fraud”, since Tuesday night. Isn’t it amazing how that is no longer a problem??? The fucking hypocrites!!!
I told her that it’s amazing that not one fucking republican as uttered those two words, “voters fraud”, since Tuesday night.
Oh, I’ve heard them use those words, mostly in context of claiming that their watchful eyes prevented those evil Democrats from being able to do it this time. You know, because the party that can’t win without voter suppression and gerrymandering believes that they are the party that can’t lose without voter fraud.
It’s always projection. ALWAYS.
And yet I still have Facebook friends posting about how “all the states Kamala won are the ones that don’t require photo ID…”
Of fucking course. These people really should try breathing through their noses.
Those aren’t your friends. Those are Nazis.
We know they’ve tried electoral interference before, what are the chances they did it again this and it worked this time?
I mean, if you’re talking about fake ass twitter accounts and grifting, they did that in plain sight.
But these strategies should be well known by the democrats by now and they aren’t invulnerable to counteracting. It’s simply the case that less people showed up to vote this election than previous ones, I guess.
The GOP winning at all means it worked, just as it has in the past. Gerrymandering, voter purges, limiting access, corrupt judiciary, prisons, dark money groups, etc. That is how the GOP has won for several decades. They have NEVER been able to win a fair democratic election on a national level.
I know that most progressives are just crying in their beer and looking for someone in their party or an adjacent political group to blame, but why isn’t more attention being brought to the many many efforts by Republicans and their overseas allies to corrupt the election and disenfranchise Democrats? I’m disgusted by the institutionalism that leads our leaders to call and congratulate the fascists rather than holding our own rallies to demand accountability for election irregularities.
It’s really odd to me that they just quietly conceded and moved straight to complaining about the loss. Conservatives have been screaming about election fraud for years and every accusation is a confession with them…I would not be surprised if the numbers are fictional
Because it doesn’t matter anymore. Elections are over and won’t be happening again.
Ye! I hate how many people are talking about trump as if his reign will only be 4 years. They’ll martyr him, and Vance will take the over dictatorship, then before elections happen again, some “emergency” will arise to let him declare martial law and cancel elections.
Folks, we’re living in Nazi Germany now. Go read up on it. The people at the top of maga certainly have.
We need to start being more French about these things.
Now they also control the social media platform that liberals and leftists used for organizing.
And good luck getting most people off of social media controlled by conservatives. Facebook/Twitter is digital heroin to A LOT of people.
It’ll go in waves. Currently both the Fediverse and BlueSky are cozy places, and as they continue to further decay, both are going to gain more and more users. I’m less on these kinds of platforms, but I started to instead doomscroll way less and either watch more videos or are more productive. We maybe even should call this movement “social media detox”.
Half the country not showing up to the polls didn’t help
Absolutely. I place most of the blame here on voters. Even with all those GOP shenanigans in place, a majority of Americans made a choice. I’m well aware the Democratic Party didn’t do itself any favors but the people ultimately decided that this is what they wanted. It wasn’t win or lose, it was a choice between two clear outcomes and they picked authoritarianism.
Traitors, every one of them.
How common was voter purge this time around? Could it have impacted people who voted early?
My grandmother’s doctor was told his mail-in vote wasn’t counted, then he came in person to vote and they arrested him for “fraud”
Don’t worry, they’ll still have Biden, Clintons, and Kamala to blame for all of Donnie’s mistakes.
Don’t forget Obama!
Barack HUSSEIN Obama
Sorry, there was just an orange turd that made a law that made it illegal to not call him that
Thanks adespoton!
