Thread below is also full of nuclear takes including the one about “materialist religion”
Religious organizations are largely idealist sure, but that doesn’t mean the religion itself is.
Buddhism for example has “dependent origination” the “spiritual plane” is created by and dependently originates from the material brain and is confined to it within the long discourses of the Pali canon, that’s strict materialism with materialism taking precedence.
Christ was all about standing with workers and exploited and marginalized people against exploiters, landlords, money changers, the rich.
Judaism and Islam have their materialist socialist sects, as do pagans of various varieties.
Has this person never heard of utopian socialism?
There’s also the whole thing about dialectical materialism not being an ontology, and Marx warned people to not fall into the trap of vulgar materialism, which itself is a metaphysical position masquerading as materialism.
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It would be one thing if they were criticizing certain methods of religious suppression being counterproductive. Mishandling of the religious problem has blown up in peoples’ faces before (I’ve heard communist Albania criticized for thin, for instance, but I’m unfamiliar with the details and can’t really say more). Trying to pass off religion as materialist is a whole other matter.
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1909: Lenin heavily expanded on this in “Materialism and empiriocriticism” to show how much danger was in trying to smuggle even a hint of idealism into marxism, which was then confirmed many many times not only by the very people in question (Bogdanov, Lunacharsky and similar) being the shaky, unprincipled marxists, but also later too by failure of many other projects, most relevant of them here being Arab socialism which was promising but ended up largely because religious opposition and funding of said opposition by imperialists.
2023: People will tell you that it’s “vulgar materialism” for not outright embracing religion.
JFC, you weren’t kidding.
Has this person never heard of utopian socialism?
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It would be one thing if they were criticizing certain methods of religious suppression being counterproductive. Mishandling of the religious problem has blown up in peoples’ faces before (I’ve heard communist Albania criticized for thin, for instance, but I’m unfamiliar with the details and can’t really say more). Trying to pass off religion as materialist is a whole other matter.
A lot of such cases there.
1909: Lenin heavily expanded on this in “Materialism and empiriocriticism” to show how much danger was in trying to smuggle even a hint of idealism into marxism, which was then confirmed many many times not only by the very people in question (Bogdanov, Lunacharsky and similar) being the shaky, unprincipled marxists, but also later too by failure of many other projects, most relevant of them here being Arab socialism which was promising but ended up largely because religious opposition and funding of said opposition by imperialists.
2023: People will tell you that it’s “vulgar materialism” for not outright embracing religion.