• carpoftruth [any, any]@hexbear.netM
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    81
    ·
    1 month ago

    The paucity of the examples of repression is very telling. Omg a handful of security checkpoints, I’ve never seen that kind of thing when I travel through airports or enter bars before, holy shit

    • SSJMarx@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      1 month ago

      I also hate security checkpoints. I remember when I could go to a Padres game and there were like eight entrances to the park - but now everybody has to go through just one entrance, so there’s always a huge line that wraps around the city block and a big crowd of people packed into a small space getting their bags checked.

      • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        1 month ago

        Security checkpoints in China are fast and efficient, and fully staffed, unlike the airports in the US I’ve been to, with 12 points, 10 of which are closed. The only time I had to stand in a line more than literally one minute, including at the airport, was at Tiananmen Square.

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    81
    ·
    edit-2
    1 month ago

    I went to China and everything was black and white. There is no color, there. The people eat their pet dogs and plain rice. They don’t even need to eat the dogs, they just do it to fuck with westerners. Six men in a dragon costume threw firecrackers at me.

    Hire me, NYT

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    71
    ·
    1 month ago

    Videos by influencers documenting their trips have been widely promoted on Chinese media — if they tell a certain story.

    Yeah I’m sure the NY government will promote vlogs where tourists complain about crime or dirty streets or getting scammed or robbed alongside tourists expressing joy over seeing theater and historical sites.

  • Antiwork [none/use name]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    67
    ·
    1 month ago

    Xi I would very much love to visit China. I promise to take pictures and videos that show China in a positive light because it’s an amazing country. Please just help me with airfare costs.

  • 中国共产党万岁@lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    52
    ·
    edit-2
    1 month ago

    What other place could have:

    • Police on every corner
    • Ubiquitous surveillance
    • Systemic repression

    what’s that? it’s new york city? whoops.

  • LocalOaf [they/them]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    46
    ·
    1 month ago

    Is it just me or is CHYNAAA BADDDD propaganda from The Paper of Record™️ and Fourth Estate™️ getting dumber and sloppier? It feels like they all wore themselves out on Taiwan saber rattling shit and have just been phoning it in lately

    • TechnoUnionTypeBeat [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      42
      ·
      1 month ago

      It doesn’t need to be smart or clean. The propaganda runs so deep and so complete that “China Bad” is almosy quite literally the every waking thought of anyone in the global north who isn’t a socialist. The propaganda doesn’t even need to say anything anymore, liberals will simply fabricate whatever scares them the most, and if people ever point out the flaws in the propaganda, they’ll just laugh and say that it could be real and that’s the scary part etc

      • bumpusoot [any]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        26
        ·
        edit-2
        1 month ago

        For me at least, it’s one of the scariest parts of modern (western) culture, the complete denial and unwillingness to address reality. WWatching people believe quite literally any shit you can cook up about China or NK. But as soon as you say “uh actually they’re just normal human beings” you’re decried as an insane person.

      • PeeOnYou [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        22
        ·
        1 month ago

        the absolute shock of the people i work with when i say anything positive about “bad China” is all the anecdotal proof i need to know how true this is

        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          edit-2
          1 month ago

          Try it out in your life, point out any well-documented objectively good thing China has done recently. This could be curing Diabetes, building thousands and thousands of km of high speed rail, meeting their 2030 green energy goals ahead of schedule, eliminating extreme poverty, etc.

          In nearly 100% of cases, in America at least, they will retort with a “but at what costs” or “that’s made up”. The only exception is certain Chinese people, fellow MLs, or people with direct firsthand knowledge and experience of China.

      • I hate how true this is.

        the typical American imaginary is and has been marinating in sinophobia, coming from every media source since I’ve been alive. from newspapers, erudite periodicals, live anchors, and “sober” non fiction books to fictional TV shows on broadcast, cable, and premium channels. shows that have nothing to do with “politics” or have any international scope throw in subplots about how scary and dangerous and undemocratic life in China is.

        the single piece we see and snort at today is just another pinch of salt or drop of vinegar in a long running process that has more layers of interlocking parts than the gods have faces.

        this is the maintenance of the superstructure.

  • SSJMarx@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    43
    ·
    1 month ago

    By “Chinese Propaganda” they literally mean “Chinese Tourism Departments”. The Chinese Government is big and there’s a lot of agencies that just do innocuous stuff.

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    42
    ·
    edit-2
    1 month ago

    Here in the free land of America, we actively promote people taking a big, smelly shit on our country, our rights, and our citizens.

    I was setting that up as a “nobody promotes negative stories about their country” sort of argument-by-comparison, but we also just had our government practically offer their assholes to Count Bibula, right after he insulted our nation and people while asking for money and demanding we do his laundry, so I guess we really are free.

  • HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    34
    ·
    edit-2
    1 month ago

    So there are police visible walking around sometimes,

    Security checkpoints at the entrances to densely packed areas,

    And one time a hotel had to phone the local police to ask if they could accept foreign guests.

    The horror.

  • khizuo [ze/zir]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    25
    ·
    1 month ago

    I’ve watched a few of those videos, they just made me nostalgic. Hopefully someday I can go back for a visit, it’s been a while.

  • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    20
    ·
    1 month ago

    Doesn’t the New York Times, the most famous newspaper in the world, do constant negative reporting from China? I’m assuming they must have staff, or at least contractors there, considering how much they have to say about the place.

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    ·
    edit-2
    1 month ago

    “You forget that you are on a massive movie set, seeing a facade of freedom.”

    Yeah, it’s all just a big Potemkin village. A really big Potemkin village with over a million people in it. Any minute, they can collapse it all down and go back to the barracks. They probably have really fancy machinery that folds everything down on its own, too.