I disagree that AI is “stealing” for the same reason I don’t think piracy is stealing. It’s true that everything AI produces is inherently derivative. However, intellectual property only exists as a set of market relationships enforced by the state. Even so, I would agree that artists are getting exploited. However, that’s because the market they are forced to engage with is controlled by capital and not because IP is a physical thing that can be stolen.

I get that socialists will naturally be sympathetic to artists who often are not well compensated for their labor. However I think it’s also important that we understand that in order to make a living, independent artists rely heavily on intellectual property law. As such, they tend to want to categorize all AI art as unoriginal and derivative of existing works.

Unfortunately I think that’s a bit of a liberal argument. It ascribes some ineffable quality to human creativity that AI cannot replicate. In doing so it obfuscates the process by which the state creates and enforces a market for intellectual property. Therefore, I don’t think it’s particularly useful argument for socialists to make.

That’s not to say “AI” companies aren’t exploiting the work of unpaid artists. That is definitely still true. We just need to be advocating for solutions that go beyond what capitalist markets can offer.

I believe a UN investigation found human rights abuses but nothing that comes close to genocide.

I think they’re closer to where the DSA was maybe 6-7 years ago when it was basically an amalgam of social democratic aims and means with Trotskyist analysis.

China is making some big moves towards green energy that give me hope. Ironically I think US aggression has pushed them to seek energy independance at an accelerated rate. They also needed to point their massive productive capacity towards something new anyways since their urbanization efforts are slowing.

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Vague missives? You’re the one who literally said,

Why is it that you folks constantly shit on everything while offering zero idea of specifically what it is you want?

Then I told you what the people you referred to as “you folks” specifically want and you’re suddenly incredibly defensive. Get a grip.

Geez I was literally just answering your question. You don’t have to get so bent out of shape because I told you something specific that people actually want.

For me radicalization is synonymous with learning to be anti-capitalist and developing class consciousness. Before that most people can’t articulate why we can’t have all the nice things you mentioned.

People want the US to stop sending bombs and weapons to Israel. There is no indication the democrats plan on endorsing such a proposal anytime soon. Seeing as it is it likely the only way to stop the carnage Israel is inflicting on Gaza, anything short of that just comes across as empty words.

How do you think that would even work? Do you have any clue how absurd that sounds? It’s like John Birch Society level paranoia.

Lol wow you really went retro with that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68X8o0S7vJc

I just don’t believe you can type it.

What does that mean? Do I not have fingers? Omg am I an AI stuck in a simulation and my code literally prevents me from typing out some magic spell for no discernible reason?! 😲

Or maybe you started this thread by taking swings at windmills and as a consequence I just don’t take you seriously enough to feel the need to prove anything to you. I’m amazed you haven’t considered that.

But hey I get it. That tinfoil hat sure is shiny and you wear it well. It would be such a shame if you decided to take it off.

Okay so am I right to assume you’re just looking for a reason to justify your dismissive smug attitude? Because that’s genuinely what I think you’re doing.

“yes” or “no”

Give me another one! I can do this all day. Lol

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That makes sense. It aligns with their perceptions of foreigners. If one assumes the natural inclination of humans is to desire some form of liberation democracy, then it follows that citizens of illiberal countries must either brutally repressed or complicit in their governments actions.

I’ll only jumps through hoops for you CanadaPlus 😉

in my experience you folks don’t tend to shy away when flamed.

Well I think like most people online MLs aren’t above posting snarky replies or acting dismissive especially when confronted by the same attitudes. Most know that countering disinformation or trying to organize for their political aims online is generally a waste of time.

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