I hope Republicans get absolutely crushed to the point that it becomes clear catering to the extremists and conspiracy theorists is not tenable. Then they have 4 years to try to rebuild from the ashes and try to present a reasonable platform instead of something insane.
I prefer the Republicans offer a reasonable alternative so that Democrats can actually be held accountable. Currently Democrats can engage in insider trading, pass laws that help their stocks, continue to give weapons to war criminals, and you still have to come out in droves to vote for them or the country becomes a Dictatorship.
If Republicans are forced to rebuild and offer someone that isn’t going to run the country and everyone’s freedoms into the ground, (or better yet completely crash and burn allowing an actual leftist party the chance to be the 2nd party) then Democrats can actually be held accountable if they pass shitty laws.
I like how you disengenuiously phrase everything. Oh Lordy, I wish the Republicans could force those filthy Democrats to stop their cheating ways, or I swear I’ll faint!!
Meanwhile, there are already Democrats who ARE proposing fixes to your little list. LOL, we don’t need Republicans to hold Democrats accountable, we need them to vote with the Democrats trying to fix the problems. But good luck with that
Yep. If you’re a progressive and you want an actual progressive party, the only way to do that in this current (two party) system, is to shift the Overton Window to the left such that the current Democratic party becomes the center-right party (replacing the far right Republicans entirely), and said new progressive party, the left.
That means voting Democrat (including down ballot, which would be especially important in shifting local politics to the left) for now while continuing to do everything in our power to promote and support progressive candidates.
And this would take several election cycles. The collective ADHD of social media addled brains of Gen Z voters is another massive hurdle. They haven’t seemed to grasp yet just how slow things can move in politics (which by itself isn’t inherently good or bad).
How do you get them to stay engaged for 12+ years when it may seem like nothing is getting better?
According to Insider, Sens. Ossoff and Sen. Kelly were two of only 10 sitting members of Congress last Congress to place their portfolios in blind trusts.
Oh no! I criticised something only most Democrats are doing! That must mean I support Republicans!
At no point did I say Republicans need to hold Democrats responsible. What I said was I want Republicans to present an at least somewhat reasonable alternative so that the voters can hold Democrats responsible without risking the safety of marginalized people.
If 10 Democrats are trying to stop this that’s great, the problem is you still have to vote for the 100 other Democrats that are gleefully taking part because the alternative is literal fascism. Democrats don’t have to actually try to improve people’s lives because what are you going to do, not vote and let the Republicans win?
I would not have expected “I wish there were 2 reasonable candidates to choose from” would be a controversial take, but I suppose American “Politics” is more tribalism than anything else.
You want the Republican party to compete with the Democrats by attempting to make things fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats?! It’s like expecting Biden to be the youthful candidate, Trump to be the honest and rational candidate and Bernie to be the corporate shill all in one.
The rest of my post was saying I want Republicans to not be a dumpster fire that is going down the fascism hole. They don’t need to be “fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats,” they just need to not be taking away established human rights when they’re in power so that not voting for Democrats if they aren’t behaving can be a reasonable option.
What I said was I would prefer if Republicans were a somewhat reasonable option, that wouldn’t be taking away people’s rights or diving straight in fascism, so that voters could hold Democrats responsible.
Basically, wouldn’t it be nice if you didn’t have to vote for a Democrat if they didn’t follow through on their promises or engaged in unethical behaviour?
Short answer: yes. I’d prefer we move away from a two party system and embrace something like ranked choice or STAR to promote more voices at the table, but that takes away power from both Dems and Repubs, so it ain’t happening anytime soon.
I think the party would destroy itself long before they become introspective enough to straighten their shit out.
This isn’t just a political party we’re talking about, it’s essentially a cult. Maybe not every Trump voter is in that deep, but enough are to cause a serious schism in the party.
I just hope that this time, the allegedly anti-Trump Republicans have the balls (or lady-nuts) to actually say/do something rather than falling in line and kissing the ring.
Unless we’re still talking Russian kompromat… If that’s the case, whatever they have on these people must be truly horrific.
Who fits that description that they would have even considered nominating?
I agree in general about nominating someone awful, though.
And I’m also happy to see that not only is she doing much better so far than I thought but all the energy she seems to have brought and seeing people get amped up. Haven’t seen that for a very long time.
Yeah, that would have been terrible messaging. I think of the top contenders, Cooper is the oldest at 67. For that reason, I hope they go with one of the others. Kelly is 60, Shapiro is 51, and Beshear is 46.
I guess you didn’t see the article about her statement regarding Israel/Palestine.
Already got the “totally a progressive who wouldn’t vote for Biden because they just learned Palestine exists” concern trolls to make sure everyone knows that she lost their support already 🙄
I’m just a normal human being that uses words in normal human context and not like a demented psychopath that needs to define each meaning for every possible dumbass who thinks they are smart.
No I don’t think they are particularly left, but they are left in relation to the other party and they are considered to be the left for that very reason (at least!).
Again, you are embarrassing yourself with comments like that. You are like a little child that listens to a teacher and tries to find bizarre situations in which what the teacher says is not true. Its pointless and dumb.
A rather large majority says the democratic party is the left. That is why I used the word, not because I wanted to talk what they are and what they aren’t. That is how normal people usually do.
Normal people don’t nitpick about every single word and try to deconstruct them to find faults when the topic is something else.
Which people say they are left? I’m not nitpicking, you are fundamentally wrong about using the term. It wasn’t a throwaway word, it is essential to the meaning of your post, and this incorrect. You can’t expect to throw disparaging remarks around when your understanding is not right.
I am 100% not wrong about using the term. Words don’t mean whatever you decide they mean.
Which people say they are the left? Almost everyone. If you do a poll and ask all Americans, no, everyone in the world which is the left party and which is the right, what do you think you will get?
Maybe you think numbers don’t matter? They do where words and meanings come into place.
Maybe you think her policies are not sufficiently to the left for your taste? Though.
What disparaging remarks? That the left - meaning the democratic party with all it’s progressive and less progressive individuals together with other leftist parties are their own worst enemy?
What a bloody contraversial statement! Nobody in history every said something so disparaging. Let’s attack this guy on all angles for this crazy statement.
This is truly amazing and at mindnumbingly boring at the same time.
I couldn’t say it better myself!
Some trolls will go out of their way to find a reason for insults over a single insignificant word. Wether that reason is linguistic or ideological or just pointless in every way.
You could say the most benign banal thing and they will jump on it like crazy people. It’s normal, it’s Internet, but it’s also sad.
Looks at Clinton… Looks at JFK… Looks at Jimmy Carter…
What the fuck are you even talking about? I can think of a lot of small mistakes that could have ruined any of the examples I provided but they are all LEFT heroes.
I’m sorry you are offended and agitated for some reason, I have no idea why. There is even a saying that the far right is the leftist second biggest enemy, right after another leftist they only share 95% of opinions with.
They asked you a valid question - what are some significant examples of what you are talking about? They gave examples of the opposite of what youre saying being true.
Man, I’m so happy with the way this is going so far. I sure hope she wins the election.
I hope Republicans get absolutely crushed to the point that it becomes clear catering to the extremists and conspiracy theorists is not tenable. Then they have 4 years to try to rebuild from the ashes and try to present a reasonable platform instead of something insane.
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For sure, though I said the same thing in 2020 and was disappointed at how close it was. Really a terrible reflection on the country.
I hope they are crushed, learn nothing and double down on it by running with Trump again, this time fully campaigning from prison.
Looking forward to 82 year old trump vs Harris 2028
Followed by 86 year old Trump vs, I dunno, Kelly maybe?
2032 Stop the steal! 🪦
There’s nothing in the constitution that says a corpse can’t run for office. He meets all the requirements.
Trump is there to stay as long as they continue to embrace fascism.
At some point he’ll die.
Yes, until he dies. I assume they’ll continue to invoke St. Trump afterwards.
https://youtu.be/Crif5E67ar0
I prefer the Republicans offer a reasonable alternative so that Democrats can actually be held accountable. Currently Democrats can engage in insider trading, pass laws that help their stocks, continue to give weapons to war criminals, and you still have to come out in droves to vote for them or the country becomes a Dictatorship.
If Republicans are forced to rebuild and offer someone that isn’t going to run the country and everyone’s freedoms into the ground, (or better yet completely crash and burn allowing an actual leftist party the chance to be the 2nd party) then Democrats can actually be held accountable if they pass shitty laws.
I used to say (and believe) things like this. The fact is, it cannot exist. Reasonable people don’t run for office as a Republican, full stop.
https://www.ossoff.senate.gov/press-releases/sens-ossoff-kelly-introduce-bill-banning-stock-trading-by-members-of-congress-2/
I like how you disengenuiously phrase everything. Oh Lordy, I wish the Republicans could force those filthy Democrats to stop their cheating ways, or I swear I’ll faint!!
Meanwhile, there are already Democrats who ARE proposing fixes to your little list. LOL, we don’t need Republicans to hold Democrats accountable, we need them to vote with the Democrats trying to fix the problems. But good luck with that
Yep. If you’re a progressive and you want an actual progressive party, the only way to do that in this current (two party) system, is to shift the Overton Window to the left such that the current Democratic party becomes the center-right party (replacing the far right Republicans entirely), and said new progressive party, the left.
That means voting Democrat (including down ballot, which would be especially important in shifting local politics to the left) for now while continuing to do everything in our power to promote and support progressive candidates.
And this would take several election cycles. The collective ADHD of social media addled brains of Gen Z voters is another massive hurdle. They haven’t seemed to grasp yet just how slow things can move in politics (which by itself isn’t inherently good or bad).
How do you get them to stay engaged for 12+ years when it may seem like nothing is getting better?
Oh no! I criticised something only most Democrats are doing! That must mean I support Republicans!
At no point did I say Republicans need to hold Democrats responsible. What I said was I want Republicans to present an at least somewhat reasonable alternative so that the voters can hold Democrats responsible without risking the safety of marginalized people.
If 10 Democrats are trying to stop this that’s great, the problem is you still have to vote for the 100 other Democrats that are gleefully taking part because the alternative is literal fascism. Democrats don’t have to actually try to improve people’s lives because what are you going to do, not vote and let the Republicans win?
I would not have expected “I wish there were 2 reasonable candidates to choose from” would be a controversial take, but I suppose American “Politics” is more tribalism than anything else.
You want the Republican party to compete with the Democrats by attempting to make things fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats?! It’s like expecting Biden to be the youthful candidate, Trump to be the honest and rational candidate and Bernie to be the corporate shill all in one.
No, I meant making a 3rd party actually potentially viable
That’s really not how your previous post reads to me, apart from the thing in brackets.
The rest of my post was saying I want Republicans to not be a dumpster fire that is going down the fascism hole. They don’t need to be “fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats,” they just need to not be taking away established human rights when they’re in power so that not voting for Democrats if they aren’t behaving can be a reasonable option.
Fair enough.
I think that as long as winner take all first past the post remains the method here there will never be room for more than 2 parties.
What color is the sky in your world?
“I would prefer a functioning democracy”
“What fantasy world are you living in?”
Americans are full on drinking the Kool-aid aren’t they?
Republicans being reasonable? Reasonable Republicans holding Democrats responsible? For what?!?!
You’re down k hole and experiencing a fever dream.
And it was Flavor-Ade. Get yer shit straight.
What I said was I would prefer if Republicans were a somewhat reasonable option, that wouldn’t be taking away people’s rights or diving straight in fascism, so that voters could hold Democrats responsible.
Basically, wouldn’t it be nice if you didn’t have to vote for a Democrat if they didn’t follow through on their promises or engaged in unethical behaviour?
Short answer: yes. I’d prefer we move away from a two party system and embrace something like ranked choice or STAR to promote more voices at the table, but that takes away power from both Dems and Repubs, so it ain’t happening anytime soon.
Let the Tories in the UK be a terrible warning for them.
Let the American voters follow the example of the UK’s voters this year!
They haven’t been reasonable since Nixon
I think the party would destroy itself long before they become introspective enough to straighten their shit out.
This isn’t just a political party we’re talking about, it’s essentially a cult. Maybe not every Trump voter is in that deep, but enough are to cause a serious schism in the party.
I just hope that this time, the allegedly anti-Trump Republicans have the balls (or lady-nuts) to actually say/do something rather than falling in line and kissing the ring.
Unless we’re still talking Russian kompromat… If that’s the case, whatever they have on these people must be truly horrific.
Agreed, and wow, you can really sense the working cognitive function, I have to admit. Especially when only one of the candidates has it now.
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Who fits that description that they would have even considered nominating?
I agree in general about nominating someone awful, though.
And I’m also happy to see that not only is she doing much better so far than I thought but all the energy she seems to have brought and seeing people get amped up. Haven’t seen that for a very long time.
Yeah, that would have been terrible messaging. I think of the top contenders, Cooper is the oldest at 67. For that reason, I hope they go with one of the others. Kelly is 60, Shapiro is 51, and Beshear is 46.
If she doesn’t you know there are a lot of people who don’t care if a fascist wins. There’s no way Trump can win this if the people show up to vote.
I guess you didn’t see the article about her statement regarding Israel/Palestine.
Already got the “totally a progressive who wouldn’t vote for Biden because they just learned Palestine exists” concern trolls to make sure everyone knows that she lost their support already 🙄
What could go wrong now? The left is notorious for abandoning its leaders for the smallest mistakes.
Could it happen?
What left?
He thinks Dems are left 😂
I’m just a normal human being that uses words in normal human context and not like a demented psychopath that needs to define each meaning for every possible dumbass who thinks they are smart.
No I don’t think they are particularly left, but they are left in relation to the other party and they are considered to be the left for that very reason (at least!).
Again, you are embarrassing yourself with comments like that. You are like a little child that listens to a teacher and tries to find bizarre situations in which what the teacher says is not true. Its pointless and dumb.
Bye.
Truly artistic.
Being left of something doesn’t make it left.
EXACTLY! Hitler is left of Trump. Hitler is not left.
A rather large majority says the democratic party is the left. That is why I used the word, not because I wanted to talk what they are and what they aren’t. That is how normal people usually do. Normal people don’t nitpick about every single word and try to deconstruct them to find faults when the topic is something else.
Which people say they are left? I’m not nitpicking, you are fundamentally wrong about using the term. It wasn’t a throwaway word, it is essential to the meaning of your post, and this incorrect. You can’t expect to throw disparaging remarks around when your understanding is not right.
I am 100% not wrong about using the term. Words don’t mean whatever you decide they mean.
Which people say they are the left? Almost everyone. If you do a poll and ask all Americans, no, everyone in the world which is the left party and which is the right, what do you think you will get? Maybe you think numbers don’t matter? They do where words and meanings come into place. Maybe you think her policies are not sufficiently to the left for your taste? Though.
What disparaging remarks? That the left - meaning the democratic party with all it’s progressive and less progressive individuals together with other leftist parties are their own worst enemy?
What a bloody contraversial statement! Nobody in history every said something so disparaging. Let’s attack this guy on all angles for this crazy statement.
This is truly amazing and at mindnumbingly boring at the same time.
My left nut dumbass.
Exactly. No matter how far you lean to the right, your left nut is always left
I couldn’t say it better myself! Some trolls will go out of their way to find a reason for insults over a single insignificant word. Wether that reason is linguistic or ideological or just pointless in every way.
You could say the most benign banal thing and they will jump on it like crazy people. It’s normal, it’s Internet, but it’s also sad.
Looks at Clinton… Looks at JFK… Looks at Jimmy Carter…
What the fuck are you even talking about? I can think of a lot of small mistakes that could have ruined any of the examples I provided but they are all LEFT heroes.
I’m sorry you are offended and agitated for some reason, I have no idea why. There is even a saying that the far right is the leftist second biggest enemy, right after another leftist they only share 95% of opinions with.
They asked you a valid question - what are some significant examples of what you are talking about? They gave examples of the opposite of what youre saying being true.
What examples did they show? A president who was not reelected? Someone who was almost impeached?
So you have no examples of your own. Got it.
Not for trolls, thank you.
Bye.
“I lost the argument but am incapable of admitting it” = “you are a troll”
Lol.
When they take the memes and four-panel comics seriously
Gentlemen, this leads me to my next point. Don’t smoke crack.
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